Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison

[Yoop]

Wonder if golf cart driver Bakh still thinks this is a rebuilding year

This is a rebuilding year whether Love is good or not. Next it’s fine to say they’re in the conversation. This year I expect them to show some fight and competition but this is not a SB contending team in the slightest.

in what sense? the QB has tutored under the best for 3 seasons, hardly call this a rebuilding year for him, he's held the reins with the scout team the whole time.

I suppose your reasoning stems from a young receiving core, but 3 are second year players that have been building chemistry with Love for a year, and the rookies come with some walk on ability and have shown that through out camp and PS games.

the OL is showing signs of normal yearly adjustments, the defense has one position weaker then last year.

I don't see as much a rebuilding team as I do a positional rebuild at WR and TE with a new QB taking over.

true we may not be favored to win a SB, but then no one expected us to in 2010 either.

[BF004]

Wonder if golf cart driver Bakh still thinks this is a rebuilding year

This is a rebuilding year whether Love is good or not. Next it’s fine to say they’re in the conversation. This year I expect them to show some fight and competition but this is not a SB contending team in the slightest.

Eh, it’s obviously less likely we compete. But we’ve seen a Ben Roethlisberter, Patrick Mahomes, Dak Prescott come in and have amazing success very early. No one was predicting that kind of season from Hurts and the Eagles last year.

Like I’ve said we have new realistic expectations to have, but also doesn’t make sense to me to put any kind of ceiling on what this team could be this year.

[salmar80]

Wonder if golf cart driver Bakh still thinks this is a rebuilding year

This is a rebuilding year whether Love is good or not. Next it’s fine to say they’re in the conversation. This year I expect them to show some fight and competition but this is not a SB contending team in the slightest.

in what sense? the QB has tutored under the best for 3 seasons, hardly call this a rebuilding year for him, he's held the reins with the scout team the whole time.

I suppose your reasoning stems from a young receiving core, but 3 are second year players that have been building chemistry with Love for a year, and the rookies come with some walk on ability and have shown that through out camp and PS games.

the OL is showing signs of normal yearly adjustments, the defense has one position weaker then last year.

I don't see as much a rebuilding team as I do a positional rebuild at WR and TE with a new QB taking over.

true we may not be favored to win a SB, but then no one expected us to in 2010 either.

I personally don't wanna build premature expectations for a team undergoing a major change.

It's POSSIBLE Love & the Young Weapons (cool band name) click early enough for us to have a playoff run. It's also possible we lose enough games due to mistakes arising from inexperience that we won't be in the hunt. The former would be sweet, but the latter shouldn't be a major disappointment.

Shoot for the moon, but realize this rocket is held together with duck tape.

[Scott4Pack]

Seems like the media are now considering Love and the Packers in general to be darlings. The optimism generated after two PS games has hopes going up. (Or, as Andy Herman would say, “The floor is definitely moving up. We still don’t know what the ceiling is.”)

I am confident too. I was before PS started. That’s because I believe in the system that our coaches and GM are employing to motivate players/coaches and to build a united front. I still am not overly thrilled with game day planning and changes, but with us changing starting QBs that might actually improve.

The only thing, I believe, that stands in the way of this 2023 Packer team being a playoff team is that they have not yet, as a unit, learned how to win. If they do that, they will win 10 or more games this year. If they don’t, we might have to groan and mumble through 6-8 wins or maybe even less.

The PS is about building a roster. The speed and strategy of the game changes in regular season. This team has proven nothing. But I do feel like they will, come September/October.

[Labrev]

We are not what a rebuilding team looks like. Seattle last year was. They not only had a QB change, there was massive roster turnover. And they made the playoffs on the 7 seed. Our roster turnover is typical for a team between seasons, except we have a change at QB.

We are definitely playing for a playoff spot. And if we get in, anything can happen. Everyone counted the Eagles out when they had their backup QB thrust into starting the rest of the season. Big Ben did it as a second year player. Nobody thought a first-year starter in Tom Brady would defeat the Greatest Show on Turf (I know, TB12 is the GOAT, but he was not an elite player out of the gate).

We are not a favorite, but we can be a dark horse.

[Drj820]

Just because you don’t expect to win a SB doesn’t mean you are rebuilding.

We should absolutely compete for the division in a bad division. Division round of the playoffs is a perfectly realistic goal.

Rebuilding teams have no playoff hopes and try to step up from competing for top draft pick.

These teams include Carolina, Houston, rams, and Arizona

[Labrev]

SF came close to pulling it off with rookie-year Mr. Irrelevant at QB.

[Yoop]

This is a rebuilding year whether Love is good or not. Next it’s fine to say they’re in the conversation. This year I expect them to show some fight and competition but this is not a SB contending team in the slightest.

in what sense? the QB has tutored under the best for 3 seasons, hardly call this a rebuilding year for him, he's held the reins with the scout team the whole time.

I suppose your reasoning stems from a young receiving core, but 3 are second year players that have been building chemistry with Love for a year, and the rookies come with some walk on ability and have shown that through out camp and PS games.

the OL is showing signs of normal yearly adjustments, the defense has one position weaker then last year.

I don't see as much a rebuilding team as I do a positional rebuild at WR and TE with a new QB taking over.

true we may not be favored to win a SB, but then no one expected us to in 2010 either.

I personally don't wanna build premature expectations for a team undergoing a major change.

It's POSSIBLE Love & the Young Weapons (cool band name) click early enough for us to have a playoff run. It's also possible we lose enough games due to mistakes arising from inexperience that we won't be in the hunt. The former would be sweet, but the latter shouldn't be a major disappointment.

Shoot for the moon, but realize this rocket is held together with duck tape.

duct tape, I'am a specialist when it comes to duct tape, I have 50 years experience applying duct tape

[go pak go]

Training Camp practices and preseason games show this offense still struggles to be on the same page, inaccurate throws when the WR wins a route, or a WR drop when the QB puts forth a great ball.

I expect a lot of inconsistency. But I also expect to see flashes of brilliance.

[Yoop]

Training Camp practices and preseason games show this offense still struggles to be on the same page, inaccurate throws when the WR wins a route, or a WR drop when the QB puts forth a great ball.

I expect a lot of inconsistency. But I also expect to see flashes of brilliance.

so then basically the same thing you have seen from every PS practice or game you've seen all your life

seriously every season we see this same thing, even when we had mostly vet receivers, timing and chemistry with even the best receivers has to be re established anew every year, that is just the nature of this stuff, yes it's some what like riding a bike, but even riding the bike takes re conditioning if ya don't do it for a while.

hard for me to tell one pre season from the others lately

[go pak go]

Training Camp practices and preseason games show this offense still struggles to be on the same page, inaccurate throws when the WR wins a route, or a WR drop when the QB puts forth a great ball.

I expect a lot of inconsistency. But I also expect to see flashes of brilliance.

so then basically the same thing you have seen from every PS practice or game you've seen all your life

seriously every season we see this same thing, even when we had mostly vet receivers, timing and chemistry with even the best receivers has to be re established anew every year, that is just the nature of this stuff, yes it's some what like riding a bike, but even riding the bike takes re conditioning if ya don't do it for a while.

hard for me to tell one pre season from the others lately

No I was incredibly bullish going into 2020 and 2021. I was also very bullish on the 2022 defense.

But you do get a sense of themes in August. Doesn't mean they always play out but we have seen themses over the years.

Nelson and Rodgers had huge and high volume connections in camps in Nelson's early career. It took a couple seasons to show up in games though.
Rodgers and Graham had fantastic connections in camp. Didn't work out at all.
Adams and Rodgers were on a new plan 2018 - 2021

Another consistent theme we saw in the #12 days was a high volume of interceptions in camp. But we stopped worrying about that once we realized it was just Rodgers trying things out.

I expect to see great things. But I also expect to see a lot of things.

[YoHoChecko]

Training Camp practices and preseason games show this offense still struggles to be on the same page, inaccurate throws when the WR wins a route, or a WR drop when the QB puts forth a great ball.

I expect a lot of inconsistency. But I also expect to see flashes of brilliance.

I agree with almost every word of this post except the "struggles to be on the same page."

I simply may have missed it because the volume of training camp info is a firehose and there's always some filtering, picking, and choosing... but I am not seeing communication issues or a wrong-route run or a busted play. When I think about being on the same page, I'm thinking about guys faltering or disagreeing on the mental aspect, the reads and route adjustments, etc.

But if you just mean the two things you listed next--accuracy issues or drops--then yes, that is happening. I don't see that as "not being on the same page," though. I see that as we drafted elite athletes with drops issues and elite arm talent with inconsistent accuracy... and those things will happen, take time to reduce, or/and may remain an issue on small numbers of plays throughout their careers.

[YoHoChecko]

This is a rebuilding year whether Love is good or not. Next it’s fine to say they’re in the conversation. This year I expect them to show some fight and competition but this is not a SB contending team in the slightest.

Eh, it’s obviously less likely we compete. But we’ve seen a Ben Roethlisberter, Patrick Mahomes, Dak Prescott come in and have amazing success very early. No one was predicting that kind of season from Hurts and the Eagles last year.

Like I’ve said we have new realistic expectations to have, but also doesn’t make sense to me to put any kind of ceiling on what this team could be this year.

I don't see as much a rebuilding team as I do a positional rebuild at WR and TE with a new QB taking over.

true we may not be favored to win a SB, but then no one expected us to in 2010 either.

I personally don't wanna build premature expectations for a team undergoing a major change.

It's POSSIBLE Love & the Young Weapons (cool band name) click early enough for us to have a playoff run. It's also possible we lose enough games due to mistakes arising from inexperience that we won't be in the hunt. The former would be sweet, but the latter shouldn't be a major disappointment.

Shoot for the moon, but realize this rocket is held together with duck tape.

We are not what a rebuilding team looks like. Seattle last year was. They not only had a QB change, there was massive roster turnover. And they made the playoffs on the 7 seed. Our roster turnover is typical for a team between seasons, except we have a change at QB.

Just because you don’t expect to win a SB doesn’t mean you are rebuilding.

Didn't we do the thing all summer where we argue about whether or not we're rebuilding only to realize that the word means different things to different people and all eventually give up on the debate because the semantics of it all were always going to get in the way of coming to a resolution even though the actual feelings of most people as to what kind of team this is were pretty similar?

Are we gonna do that again now?

[Labrev]

Didn't we do the thing all summer where we argue about whether or not we're rebuilding only to realize that the word means different things to different people and all eventually give up on the debate because the semantics of it all were always going to get in the way of coming to a resolution even though the actual feelings of most people as to what kind of team this is were pretty similar?

Are we gonna do that again now?

[Yoop]

Training Camp practices and preseason games show this offense still struggles to be on the same page, inaccurate throws when the WR wins a route, or a WR drop when the QB puts forth a great ball.

I expect a lot of inconsistency. But I also expect to see flashes of brilliance.

so then basically the same thing you have seen from every PS practice or game you've seen all your life

seriously every season we see this same thing, even when we had mostly vet receivers, timing and chemistry with even the best receivers has to be re established anew every year, that is just the nature of this stuff, yes it's some what like riding a bike, but even riding the bike takes re conditioning if ya don't do it for a while.

hard for me to tell one pre season from the others lately

No I was incredibly bullish going into 2020 and 2021. I was also very bullish on the 2022 defense.

But you do get a sense of themes in August. Doesn't mean they always play out but we have seen themses over the years.

Nelson and Rodgers had huge and high volume connections in camps in Nelson's early career. It took a couple seasons to show up in games though.
Rodgers and Graham had fantastic connections in camp. Didn't work out at all.
Adams and Rodgers were on a new plan 2018 - 2021

Another consistent theme we saw in the #12 days was a high volume of interceptions in camp. But we stopped worrying about that once we realized it was just Rodgers trying things out.

I expect to see great things. But I also expect to see a lot of things.

Bullish, no, incredibly bullish, this aint some stumper for Agent Orange is it?

conservative Mikey McCarthy and veteran talent held Jordy back, Mike did the same to Randall Cobb, and I think thats the biggest reason rookie receivers sit a season, that and the knowledge that mistakes decide the outcome of many games at the pro level

its normal to see a high level of interceptions in training camp, defense almost always dominate the first few weeks

when ya just give that a moment to sink in I'am sure you'll agree, offense are installing either whole new designs and concepts, or a minimum of tweaking existing ones, which means your bound to see mis cues, drops, poorly run routes, or receivers looking completely confused, that stuff is normal.

but we are not seeing as much of that as last season because 1. Rodgers didn't practice with his puppy's and Love has, and the puppys are now yearlings, and there are no seasoned vets holding anyone back

[Scott4Pack]

Dan Orlovsky has a great video commentary this week about how Love has “mastered” the 3-step drop already. Not “good at it”. Not “needing work”. Orlovsky lavishes effusive praise on Love, that he has “mastered” the 3-step drop.

Remember, the majority of our passing game, Love will utilize a 3-step drop. At least as they have it on the chalkboard, not counting scrambling plays.

Orlovsky’s praise on Love is so strong, I think Dan should probably go to his wife and start praising her like that! Hahahaha. But let’s just say that Dan is a believer.

[Foosball]

SF came close to pulling it off with rookie-year Mr. Irrelevant at QB.

The Niners have a better coach.

[Foosball]

I do not expect Love to be as good as either Rodgers or Favre or even Majik. Those 3 had more talent than Love has. But I expect Love to be a good game manager, to take what the D gives him, to hand the ball to Jones or Dillon and let them and the Oline take the steam out of the opposing D. To make the 10 yard throw to Watson or Reed and watch them tag on YAC. To make the 7 yard pass on 3rd and 5 to the new TE's or a screen pass to the RB. To be careful with the ball but to also understand that punting is a failure by the QB and almost as bad as an interception.

This is a good O. Last season the Oline was not healthy. Watson missed half the season before he got healthy and then Doubs got hurt. Jones and Dillon did not have great years because the blocking was not consistent. Right now, the O looks the best it has been in a long time. Love does not need to win games, he just needs not to lose them. And that is precisely what he will do, just win.

As for comparison, well my all time favorite Packer. Bart Starr. Never had the greatest arm like Unitas, but good enough to make tough passes. Never a scrambler like Tarkington, but not a target for Dlinemen either. Just a leader. Just a winner. Just a teammate.

Bart was better then Johnny U. John played for a pass first team, Baltimore won passing the ball, GB won running it, just saying that that changes the scope of how these two QB's are compared, imo it sheds some confusion on just how accurate Starr was, and he was very accurate, Starr had some great receivers in Dale, McGee and Dowler, but Johnny U did as well with Raymond Berry, arguably on the level of Hudson, and those two dominated, also had Lenny Moore.

whatever I think your short changing your Fav Packer Skeptic

here are stats for each

https://www.footballdb.com/players/john ... -unitajo01


https://www.footballdb.com/players/john ... -unitajo01

There is a reason Baltimore was a passing team and the Packers were a running team. The colts had Unitas.

[wallyuwl]

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