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Drj820 wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2021 12:20

go pak go wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2021 12:10

I wouldn't be surprised if other teams try and mimick what Spagnola did against us as usually see Rodgers struggle with this too.

does Rodgers usually struggles with this? I think Rodgers would usually torch a 6 or 7 man blitz. In my opinion, Rodgers struggles tremendously when teams can get pressure with only 4 or 5 guys rushing, and can still play coverage on the back end.

Committing that many guys to the blitz is a recipe to get torched by Rodgers to Adams or MVS or a quick slant to Cobb the way I see it.

Yes he has gotten beaten by this before.

But honestly it really depends how effective the blitz gets there. If they get to Rodgers 2.5 seconds or less, I would imagine anyone would struggle. The key on these is to largely figure out who is coming, get the protection set up to buy as much time as possible and get the ball out through a passing lane to then torch it.

But honestly even Love was largely beaten beause of how poorly Patrick and Newman just got destroyed by Chris Jones.

Our Interior has not been very good this year. We give it credit because of all the musical chairs on the Oline and therefore are grading on a curve, but interior pressure has been an issue all year.

We are in that 20th to 25th in the league offensive production for 2021 for a reason.

The last 2 times a team has blitzed the Packers 18+ Times, TB during the 2020 season.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2021 13:27

The last 2 times a team has blitzed the Packers 18+ Times, TB during the 2020 season.

That tells me many teams dont think it is a wise thing to do.

You asked if Rodgers struggled with that amount of blitzing. The answer would look like yes, he can struggle with that amount of blitzing.

I just took a minute to read this:
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2021/1 ... n-rodgers/

By our count, Love faced a free (or unblocked) pass-rusher on 14 of his 34 passing attempts.

Yikes! That's 41%!

By our count, Love made the right read but threw inaccurately on seven different pass attempts, including on his interception.

This is my biggest concern at this point: accuracy.

At times, Love’s footwork looked sloppy or jumpy or sped up, but it’s impossible to know how the Packers teach it on certain plays.

Absolutely, although I thought his footwork improved as the game went on.

The insistence on long-developing plays, as LaFleur mentioned post-game, was real. It was clear the Packers wanted badly to create a big play to calm the Chiefs’ blitzes. But it was the wrong approach.

This is something I think a lot of us were frustrated by.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2021 13:37

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2021 13:27

The last 2 times a team has blitzed the Packers 18+ Times, TB during the 2020 season.

That tells me many teams dont think it is a wise thing to do.

But it also led to a day where Rodgers threw a Pick 6, an INT returned near the goalline, threw for 160 yards passing, and 45% completion rate.

So it did work because our Oline didn't do enough to give Rodgers enough time and Rodgers wasn't effective at figuring it out to exploit the bitz. I kept thinking this last game was eerily similar to the TB game last year.

The problem is for opposing defenses this type of approach can get torched just like any other defense. The offense just needs to get it figured out.

2021 the theme has been keep everything in front and don't get beat deep because the 2020 Packers were incredible at explosive plays. Teams may see now that our guards can get exploited and try to attack that way

I will say I think one low key thing the Packers need to improve at is RG but also Center.

Patrick has been more stable but man....Royce Newman has had some blunders this year. I think overall he has the potential to be a great guard, especially in run blocking, when he is assignment sure, but he is definitely showing he is a rookie on multiple occasions.

This has been a trend all year.

Again, it's not like our offense is this explosive top end offense teams fear in 2021. I would say they are drive efficient, poor in the redzone and lack the explosive plays. This has resulted in an offense that is about 20th ranked or so in yards production and scores around 22 - 26 points during regulation.

We are averaging roughly a TD a game more when MVS is playing so maybe we get more in that groove once everyone comes back.

go pak go wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2021 13:43

Drj820 wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2021 13:37

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2021 13:27

The last 2 times a team has blitzed the Packers 18+ Times, TB during the 2020 season.

That tells me many teams dont think it is a wise thing to do.

But it also led to a day where Rodgers threw a Pick 6, an INT returned near the goalline, threw for 160 yards passing, and 45% completion rate.

So it did work because our Oline didn't do enough to give Rodgers enough time and Rodgers wasn't effective at figuring it out to exploit the bitz. I kept thinking this last game was eerily similar to the TB game last year.

The problem is for opposing defenses this type of approach can get torched just like any other defense. The offense just needs to get it figured out.

Importantly, Tampa had the personnel to do this (stacked front-seven) where many other teams do not. Even if you bring extra blockers and they all pick up the blitz, you are also counting on your blockers to win 1-on-1 against JPP, Suh, Vita Vea, Shaq Barrett, Devin White (vs. RB), Lavonte David (vs. RB)... just off the top of my head.

On a side note, it was very weird to me how that Bucs team with so many weapons on both sides of the ball never looked like a truly dominant unit last year other than both their games against us and the SuperBowl. On paper, you would expect that O and/or D to have unreal production, and they were just kind of like... good, not great.

Labrev wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2021 14:29

go pak go wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2021 13:43

Drj820 wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2021 13:37

That tells me many teams dont think it is a wise thing to do.

But it also led to a day where Rodgers threw a Pick 6, an INT returned near the goalline, threw for 160 yards passing, and 45% completion rate.

So it did work because our Oline didn't do enough to give Rodgers enough time and Rodgers wasn't effective at figuring it out to exploit the bitz. I kept thinking this last game was eerily similar to the TB game last year.

The problem is for opposing defenses this type of approach can get torched just like any other defense. The offense just needs to get it figured out.

Importantly, Tampa had the personnel to do this (stacked front-seven) where many other teams do not. Even if you bring extra blockers and they all pick up the blitz, you are also counting on your blockers to win 1-on-1 against JPP, Suh, Vita Vea, Shaq Barrett, Devin White (vs. RB), Lavonte David (vs. RB)... just off the top of my head.

On a side note, it was very weird to me how that Bucs team with so many weapons on both sides of the ball never looked like a truly dominant unit last year other than both their games against us and the SuperBowl. On paper, you would expect that O and/or D to have unreal production, and they were just kind of like... good, not great.

Yeah, I think when one team blitzes that much twice in two seasons and no one else does...it just tells me they were the rare team with the personnel to pull it off, and most teams know they dont have that personnel.

If what the Bucs did was some "blueprint", we would have already seen it way more already. Not a coincidence the one week it shows back up is the week Rodgers is out.

Labrev wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2021 14:29

go pak go wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2021 13:43

Drj820 wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2021 13:37

That tells me many teams dont think it is a wise thing to do.

But it also led to a day where Rodgers threw a Pick 6, an INT returned near the goalline, threw for 160 yards passing, and 45% completion rate.

So it did work because our Oline didn't do enough to give Rodgers enough time and Rodgers wasn't effective at figuring it out to exploit the bitz. I kept thinking this last game was eerily similar to the TB game last year.

The problem is for opposing defenses this type of approach can get torched just like any other defense. The offense just needs to get it figured out.

Importantly, Tampa had the personnel to do this (stacked front-seven) where many other teams do not. Even if you bring extra blockers and they all pick up the blitz, you are also counting on your blockers to win 1-on-1 against JPP, Suh, Vita Vea, Shaq Barrett, Devin White (vs. RB), Lavonte David (vs. RB)... just off the top of my head.

Very true. The personnel does play a big role in it.

Labrev wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2021 14:29

Importantly, Tampa had the personnel to do this (stacked front-seven) where many other teams do not. Even if you bring extra blockers and they all pick up the blitz, you are also counting on your blockers to win 1-on-1 against JPP, Suh, Vita Vea, Shaq Barrett, Devin White (vs. RB), Lavonte David (vs. RB)... just off the top of my head.

Right. But again none of this truly matters when simply isolating Love's performance.

Like yeah. The Bucs front 7 is better than KC, but our Oline couldn't protect worth sh*t anyway for either game.

Their stunts worked. Our Olinemen many times got either beat immediately or just failed to block anyone. The end result was there were Chiefs immediately in Love's face regardless.

So that poses me to ask, "did our Oline just play terrible?" or "did Love not make the correct protection calls?"

But the results of someone in the QB's face and the QB sucking as a result is the same for both instances.

Some of both. We can see that some times the line absolutely got beat on their own accord. It is harder to see if protection failures were on Love. That's one we will probably never know if we don't have access to internal information.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2021 14:32

Labrev wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2021 14:29

go pak go wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2021 13:43

But it also led to a day where Rodgers threw a Pick 6, an INT returned near the goalline, threw for 160 yards passing, and 45% completion rate.

So it did work because our Oline didn't do enough to give Rodgers enough time and Rodgers wasn't effective at figuring it out to exploit the bitz. I kept thinking this last game was eerily similar to the TB game last year.

The problem is for opposing defenses this type of approach can get torched just like any other defense. The offense just needs to get it figured out.

Importantly, Tampa had the personnel to do this (stacked front-seven) where many other teams do not. Even if you bring extra blockers and they all pick up the blitz, you are also counting on your blockers to win 1-on-1 against JPP, Suh, Vita Vea, Shaq Barrett, Devin White (vs. RB), Lavonte David (vs. RB)... just off the top of my head.

On a side note, it was very weird to me how that Bucs team with so many weapons on both sides of the ball never looked like a truly dominant unit last year other than both their games against us and the SuperBowl. On paper, you would expect that O and/or D to have unreal production, and they were just kind of like... good, not great.

Yeah, I think when one team blitzes that much twice in two seasons and no one else does...it just tells me they were the rare team with the personnel to pull it off, and most teams know they dont have that personnel.

If what the Bucs did was some "blueprint", we would have already seen it way more already. Not a coincidence the one week it shows back up is the week Rodgers is out.

The Bucs didn't blitz as much in February. But they did play EXTREMELY aggressive on our WRs that the refs didn't call. Tons of holding, illegal contact that didn't get called.

Coincidentally, the Bucs are getting called on it constantly this year.

The Chiefs, per Kruse and Herman, were also incredibly physical with our WRs and apparently got away with a number of holding calls, though the rush got to Love so fast that often it was in the "gray zone" if the contact was still happening after 5 yards.

The Bucs blitzed 23 times in January and 18 times in Oct. 2020. MN blitzed 19 times in the first game last year and Rodgers torched it.

go pak go wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2021 14:37

Drj820 wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2021 14:32

Labrev wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2021 14:29

Importantly, Tampa had the personnel to do this (stacked front-seven) where many other teams do not. Even if you bring extra blockers and they all pick up the blitz, you are also counting on your blockers to win 1-on-1 against JPP, Suh, Vita Vea, Shaq Barrett, Devin White (vs. RB), Lavonte David (vs. RB)... just off the top of my head.

On a side note, it was very weird to me how that Bucs team with so many weapons on both sides of the ball never looked like a truly dominant unit last year other than both their games against us and the SuperBowl. On paper, you would expect that O and/or D to have unreal production, and they were just kind of like... good, not great.

Yeah, I think when one team blitzes that much twice in two seasons and no one else does...it just tells me they were the rare team with the personnel to pull it off, and most teams know they dont have that personnel.

If what the Bucs did was some "blueprint", we would have already seen it way more already. Not a coincidence the one week it shows back up is the week Rodgers is out.

The Bucs didn't blitz as much in February. But they did play EXTREMELY aggressive on our WRs that the refs didn't call. Tons of holding, illegal contact that didn't get called.

Coincidentally, the Bucs are getting called on it constantly this year.

The Chiefs, per Kruse and Herman, were also incredibly physical with our WRs and apparently got away with a number of holding calls, though the rush got to Love so fast that often it was in the "gray zone" if the contact was still happening after 5 yards.

It would make sense the blitz would be more effective when there is no where to go with the ball due to WRs being held and not being open.

Absolutely. And that's why the Chiefs did it. If you're gonna blitz, make your DBs go all out too. Completely sell out.

I have always hated when teams blitz but then have soft coverage. Makes no sense.

My guess is KC backed off on the blitz in the 4th quarter to prevent a quick score but then Love torched them. So Spags brought the blitz back on the following drive. Fortunately, Love did better that drive

go pak go wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2021 15:00

Absolutely. And that's why the Chiefs did it. If you're gonna blitz, make your DBs go all out too. Completely sell out.

I have always hated when teams blitz but then have soft coverage. Makes no sense.

My guess is KC backed off on the blitz in the 4th quarter to prevent a quick score but then Love torched them. So Spags brought the blitz back on the following drive. Fortunately, Love did better that drive

I disagree with you that the chiefs blitzed so much because they felt they could cover the WRs too. I believe they blitzed so much because of who the QB was. I believe they accurately assessed that the blitz would rattle the QB and prevent the QB from throwing accurately to the desired WR.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2021 15:09

go pak go wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2021 15:00

Absolutely. And that's why the Chiefs did it. If you're gonna blitz, make your DBs go all out too. Completely sell out.

I have always hated when teams blitz but then have soft coverage. Makes no sense.

My guess is KC backed off on the blitz in the 4th quarter to prevent a quick score but then Love torched them. So Spags brought the blitz back on the following drive. Fortunately, Love did better that drive

I disagree with you that the chiefs blitzed so much because they felt they could cover the WRs too. I believe they blitzed so much because of who the QB was. I believe they accurately assessed that the blitz would rattle the QB and prevent the QB from throwing accurately to the desired WR.

Who said anything about confidence in covering the WRs?

go pak go wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2021 15:19

Drj820 wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2021 15:09

go pak go wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2021 15:00

Absolutely. And that's why the Chiefs did it. If you're gonna blitz, make your DBs go all out too. Completely sell out.

I have always hated when teams blitz but then have soft coverage. Makes no sense.

My guess is KC backed off on the blitz in the 4th quarter to prevent a quick score but then Love torched them. So Spags brought the blitz back on the following drive. Fortunately, Love did better that drive

I disagree with you that the chiefs blitzed so much because they felt they could cover the WRs too. I believe they blitzed so much because of who the QB was. I believe they accurately assessed that the blitz would rattle the QB and prevent the QB from throwing accurately to the desired WR.

Who said anything about confidence in covering the WRs?

You were talking about how physical the chiefs d was with the WRs, I am suggesting that would not have mattered if Rodgers was at QB.

Also to begin this you wondered if what the chiefs did would be a blueprint to beat the packers going forward, I think it is a blueprint that Love will have to overcome and beat, I don’t think it will affect how teams play Rodgers.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2021 13:41

You asked if Rodgers struggled with that amount of blitzing. The answer would look like yes, he can struggle with that amount of blitzing.

Championship game - Rodgers 3 tds 1 int
Brady 3 tds 3 ints
Brady punting the ball with his arm and letting his recievrs make plays
Rodgers putting up those numbers with pathetic drops from his team

Packers Def let in 31 points and was horrendus

Give Rodgers that Def performance and different story.

You keep coming back to comparing Rodgers saying "oh rodgers is bad as well" - no he isn't. He is the best.