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I don't know who's opinion you are talking about. There has only been one real opinion, maybe two opinions of Queen's plan on this board.
I am curious as to how ESPN measures their ranking.Does this make sense to you? Like literally, my take on Queen is biased because I am a homer? Don't even know what this means about agreeing with you. I had been talking about Queen for over a week here starting in my post season awards thread, without you. Commenting on I was literally staring at him while watching the Ravens because I liked him in the draft, and he was downright bad. Not sure why you think me calling you out on wishing something to be so to prove yourself right has any bearing on my stance a week ago. You're so vein, you probably think that post is about you.
When in doubt, make something up after name calling. This is why I frequently disagree with you. You debate using fabricated facts and figures and never change your stance even when actual, real, not made-up, evidence is provided to the contrary. Perhaps this is correct, but I don't know, and you clearly don't know. You literally said 'fact' then completely made up a sentence.
What am I supposed with him being ranked 33 and Edwards being ratted (Edmunds being rate #22). Is that, do you feel, a superior statistic to PFF? Do you even know what that rank is? I do not, it doesn't say. Is their rank in total plays? Modified tackles? Some measure of performance? What do you think it means?Yoop wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020 08:42Queen has 92 tackles, 2 sacks, 6 tackles for loss, 2 pds, and 1 interception, sure plenty of Rookie lbers can play the run, we got a couple doing it now, but they are having a hell of a lot more problems defending the pass to.
and I'll stick with my opinion, Queen would have been better for us this year and in the future.
rated #33 with ESPN as well, lis he's right in the grouping with Tramaine Edwards who is ratted #22
https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_ ... s/dir/desc
Just like Pro Football Reference, this is not a rating. It is a sorted list by solo tackles, nothing more...Yoop wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020 08:42rated #33 with ESPN as well, lis he's right in the grouping with Tramaine Edwards who is ratted #22
https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_ ... s/dir/desc
BF004 wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020 09:25Does this make sense to you? Like literally, my take on Queen is biased because I am a homer? Don't even know what this means about agreeing with you. I had been talking about Queen for over a week here starting in my post season awards thread, without you. Commenting on I was literally staring at him while watching the Ravens because I liked him in the draft, and he was downright bad. Not sure why you think me calling you out on wishing something to be so to prove yourself right has any bearing on my stance a week ago. You're so vein, you probably think that post is about you.
When in doubt, make something up after name calling. This is why I frequently disagree with you. You debate using fabricated facts and figures and never change your stance even when actual, real, not made-up, evidence is provided to the contrary. Perhaps this is correct, but I don't know, and you clearly don't know. You literally said 'fact' then completely made up a sentence.
Then tell me I am discounting something. What am I discounting? Where did I discount something? Show where I discounted stopping the run for an LB. Just another made up accusation supported with an admitted made up fact.
You get mad at me for calling you out on making things up and lying, then don't do that.
What am I supposed with him being ranked 33 and Edwards being ratted (Edmunds being rate #22). Is that, do you feel, a superior statistic to PFF? Do you even know what that rank is? I do not, it doesn't say. Is their rank in total plays? Modified tackles? Some measure of performance? What do you think it means?Yoop wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020 08:42Queen has 92 tackles, 2 sacks, 6 tackles for loss, 2 pds, and 1 interception, sure plenty of Rookie lbers can play the run, we got a couple doing it now, but they are having a hell of a lot more problems defending the pass to.
and I'll stick with my opinion, Queen would have been better for us this year and in the future.
rated #33 with ESPN as well, lis he's right in the grouping with Tramaine Edwards who is ratted #22
https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_ ... s/dir/desc
Maybe it would be a better pick for us now and in the future. I never argued that point, especially the future. I have called him not good in Baltimore to date, that is it. I have admitted several times to wanting him and not liking the Love pick. Not sure what gets in your head sometimes when you get defensive here or what you think my motive is. But stay on topic and respond to what people actually say.
https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/rav ... story.htmlQueen was talking about his struggles in coverage; the sentiment captured Queen’s disjointed season just as concisely. He is an NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year contender, and also among the league’s worst-rated players at his position by Pro Football Focus. He leads all rookie linebackers in tackles, and ranks second among all defenders in missed tackles. He can look like a cornerstone piece on one drive, a worthy successor to Ray Lewis and C.J. Mosley, and then, on the next, like the head-spinning prospect who didn’t start regularly at LSU until last October.
Queen has played, for better or for worse, as his circumstances might suggest — like a 21-year-old with all the potential in the world but few of the privileges typically afforded players his age. No grizzled veteran to learn from. No preseason games to study. No choice but to dive in headfirst as a starter on one of the NFL’s best and most demanding defenses.
Some of this is why the Packers wanted a vet like Kirksey- because asking a rookie to be the captain of the defense is a very tall order- even in normal times. GB also looked into another former Badger, Joe Schobert - but his asking price was too high and he wasn't interested in giving a home town discount. So Schobert got his benjamins, but plays for a pathetic team racking up loss after loss in Jax.NCF wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020 10:31Queen has played, for better or for worse, as his circumstances might suggest — like a 21-year-old with all the potential in the world but few of the privileges typically afforded players his age. No grizzled veteran to learn from. No preseason games to study. No choice but to dive in headfirst as a starter on one of the NFL’s best and most demanding defenses.
Yeah, I have to say that without applying the hindsight I still think the Kirksey signing was smart.BSA wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020 10:37Some of this is why the Packers wanted a vet like Kirksey- because asking a rookie to be the captain of the defense is a very tall order- even in normal times. GB also looked into another former Badger, Joe Schobert - but his asking price was too high and he wasn't interested in giving a home town discount. So Schobert got his benjamins, but plays for a pathetic team racking up loss after loss in Jax.
seriously Queen has out performed any ILB we have including Kirksey Barnes, Martin, etc, and has more tackles then any Packer player. you guys snubbed him mostly because I liked him, normal for this forumPckfn23 wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020 10:36If you judge him as a starting NFL inside linebacker against all other starting NFL inside linebackers he has not had a good season. He has shown flashes of potential, but that does not mean his season as a whole has been a good or even average one. Those flashes show that he can get there and that he CAN BE a good inside linebacker in the future, but this year, he hasn't been.
Leading the league in ToP is AWESOME. It's a sign of a complete offense. Also makes things much easier for our D.The Packers are proving to be one of the best offenses in the NFL in controlling the clock. The Packers lead the NFL in time of possession, and the last time Green Bay finished a season No. 1 was 2009.
The Packers also lead the NFL in 5-minute drives with 27 total, which is a staunch improvement from last season when they had 25 total.
Many of these clock-killing drives are coming in the second half of games when the Packers are protecting leads. The run-to-win formula has proven to be effective under LaFleur, who is more willing to lean on the run game late. The Packers are currently seventh with 67.5 rushing yards per game in the second half.
never was important to me that YOU view him as great, I never said he was great (yet) and I've always said ILB is not a easy transition, course according to you and 23 thats wrong because 2 dn lbers come in and do pretty well every season, my whole point then was that the coverage part takes a year or so to coach up for most rookie ILB's, you shot that down to prior as well , basically you twist the convo to suit whatever your opinion is, obviously it is not a easy transition to be a coverage player.
It would have been different had we had mini camps and TC.BSA wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020 10:37NCF wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020 10:31Queen has played, for better or for worse, as his circumstances might suggest — like a 21-year-old with all the potential in the world but few of the privileges typically afforded players his age. No grizzled veteran to learn from. No preseason games to study. No choice but to dive in headfirst as a starter on one of the NFL’s best and most demanding defenses.
Some of this is why the Packers wanted a vet like Kirksey- because asking a rookie to be the captain of the defense is a very tall order- even in normal times. GB also looked into another former Badger, Joe Schobert - but his asking price was too high and he wasn't interested in giving a home town discount. So Schobert got his benjamins, but plays for a pathetic team racking up loss after loss in Jax.
A couple of things...Yoop wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020 12:35seriously Queen has out performed any ILB we have including Kirksey Barnes, Martin, etc, and has more tackles then any Packer player. you guys snubbed him mostly because I liked him, normal for this forumPckfn23 wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020 10:36If you judge him as a starting NFL inside linebacker against all other starting NFL inside linebackers he has not had a good season. He has shown flashes of potential, but that does not mean his season as a whole has been a good or even average one. Those flashes show that he can get there and that he CAN BE a good inside linebacker in the future, but this year, he hasn't been.
It's a very valid opinion that Queen (or a WR or DL) would've helped us out this year and next couple of years more than Jordan Love. It's totally fine to be against the Love pick.NCF wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020 12:45A couple of things...Yoop wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020 12:35seriously Queen has out performed any ILB we have including Kirksey Barnes, Martin, etc, and has more tackles then any Packer player. you guys snubbed him mostly because I liked him, normal for this forumPckfn23 wrote: ↑16 Dec 2020 10:36If you judge him as a starting NFL inside linebacker against all other starting NFL inside linebackers he has not had a good season. He has shown flashes of potential, but that does not mean his season as a whole has been a good or even average one. Those flashes show that he can get there and that he CAN BE a good inside linebacker in the future, but this year, he hasn't been.
1.) No one does things just to spite you
2.) I like Queen, loved him in The Draft
3.) He has NOT outperformed our guys in any way other than in volume statistics
4.) I think anyone here would trade any of our guys for Queen... even all of our guys for Queen... but that doesn't necessarily mean anyone should expect an uptick in production NOW. Next year, the future? Absolutely. Now? Maybe, maybe not. A lot of metrics suggest one would not be smart to bet on it.
