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Backthepack4ever wrote: ↑

17 May 2022 16:05

The voice or reality. I haven't seen 1 not 1 person bad mouth Jones. He's one of my fav Packers but damn he's in tough company at a tough position to rank this high. Derick Henry is the titans I still rank others in front of him bc the baseball stat WAR. That's just me.

Can I just take this opportunity to say that WAR as a football star makes no sense and I’m so angry that the sports media landscape just immediately accepted PFF’s new stat as useful and started inserting it into articles, evaluations, and conversations? It’s all just too interrelated to parse out that way. It’s destined to undervalued things that matter to wins and overvalue things that are more easily measurable.

I’m a stats guy. I like analytics. Football WAR makes no sense and means nothing to me. Even when it tells me Jaire was the best player in 2020. I don’t care. It’s just a silly metric.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

17 May 2022 16:32

Backthepack4ever wrote: ↑

17 May 2022 16:05

The voice or reality. I haven't seen 1 not 1 person bad mouth Jones. He's one of my fav Packers but damn he's in tough company at a tough position to rank this high. Derick Henry is the titans I still rank others in front of him bc the baseball stat WAR. That's just me.

Can I just take this opportunity to say that WAR as a football star makes no sense and I’m so angry that the sports media landscape just immediately accepted PFF’s new stat as useful and started inserting it into articles, evaluations, and conversations? It’s all just too interrelated to parse out that way. It’s destined to undervalued things that matter to wins and overvalue things that are more easily measurable.

I’m a stats guy. I like analytics. Football WAR makes no sense and means nothing to me. Even when it tells me Jaire was the best player in 2020. I don’t care. It’s just a silly metric.

That's cool. When I say war I don't go off pff (didn't know they do that). I go by position and how easy it is to replace that player. Ex. RB. That position has shown for years that 1 guy to the next is so replaced overall. An elite talent at RB can go down and teams can insert another pro and cook. Maybe not to the same level but there are ways to replace that loss. Now look at pass rush and CB OL play. You lose an elite edge you don't replace that with jags. You better have depth of quality or it kicks you in the junk. OL play also. GB got by last year but everything changed when our studs went out.

Hey even losing MVS the deep threat screwed the O. I saw a stat today that AR was #1 in the league in PA deep balls in 2020. He was #17 in 2021 behind jokers bc he didn't have that deep threat. Point is that position mattered (war). The replacement wasn't good enough.

It's another stat and that cool you don't value it. I guess I loosely use the term bc it doesn't go off of any stat but my own level of replacement at that certain position. I don't value RB like I do edge. Never will. Teams that do I think fail. (Hence why edge get drafted early backs should...don't...your dumb if you do. )

No I’m into the idea of positional value. I agree that RBs just typically don’t move that needle and loving everything about Jones doesn’t make him essential to winning in the NFL.

PFF just launched an attempt to adapt WAR to football and it’s popping up in ESPN, The Athletic, Twitter, etc.

I just think there isn’t enough individual, uncorrelated, independent data in football to function properly as it does in baseball and even in basketball.