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RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2022 20:07

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2022 19:45

Murphy doesn't give full authority to his GMs?

Murphy fired McCarthy. Thompson fired Sherman.

Murphy took the necessary steps to balance the power. The issue was Thompson was no longer capable of firing McCarthy. Much was made about that at the time, but I think we are in a much better position and structure now because of Murphy, even if it took a couple of years to wash out the staleness and re-establish proper chains of command. As long as he isn't meddling on the football side, I think this is a better and more common structure across the entire NFL. You have to pair a GM with a Coach that he can work with, but the GM doesn't need and probably not deserve sole discretion any longer.

NCF wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 08:54

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2022 20:07

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2022 19:45

Murphy doesn't give full authority to his GMs?

Murphy fired McCarthy. Thompson fired Sherman.

Murphy took the necessary steps to balance the power. The issue was Thompson was no longer capable of firing McCarthy. Much was made about that at the time, but I think we are in a much better position and structure now because of Murphy, even if it took a couple of years to wash out the staleness and re-establish proper chains of command. As long as he isn't meddling on the football side, I think this is a better and more common structure across the entire NFL. You have to pair a GM with a Coach that he can work with, but the GM doesn't need and probably not deserve sole discretion any longer.

Murphy is 100% still involved in some capacity on the football side.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 10:30

NCF wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 08:54

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2022 20:07

Murphy fired McCarthy. Thompson fired Sherman.

Murphy took the necessary steps to balance the power. The issue was Thompson was no longer capable of firing McCarthy. Much was made about that at the time, but I think we are in a much better position and structure now because of Murphy, even if it took a couple of years to wash out the staleness and re-establish proper chains of command. As long as he isn't meddling on the football side, I think this is a better and more common structure across the entire NFL. You have to pair a GM with a Coach that he can work with, but the GM doesn't need and probably not deserve sole discretion any longer.

Murphy is 100% still involved in some capacity on the football side.

thank the football Gods that Murphy meddled in our football affairs, my only complaint is that he didn't do it sooner, McCarthy should have been fired after the fiasco in the 2015 playoffs, and Ted should have taken it upon himself to step away about the same time, we shouldn't have had to rely on Murphy to force these firings.

I don't understand why fans would blame Murphy for much of anything, he's done a good job, no ones perfect, and that includes Vince Lombardi, go look at some of his drafts after Vanisi died, most here would have wanted him fired.

we all complain about this, that, or the other, but that is superficial crap that all fans complain about from every team, but we Packer fans don't have much to complain about when it comes to the win/lost record the last 30 years, and for those complaining about not winning enough Super Bowls, ya aught to be thankful ya weren't born and raised in Cleveland, quit the bitching you spoiled rotten ingrates

Murphy was an integral hiring position of getting Gutey and MLF.

Gute seems to be a decent hire. Who knows if Wolf would have been better but keep in mind Wolf hasn't been offered a GM job yet.

MLF was an absolute banger - home run- type hire.

Murphy has built the brand and revenue and navigated through some rough waters. I can't honestly give him a lot of demerits. I think he has had a fine career. Hard to blame ST's miscues, or dropped passes in big moments in January on the president of a football franchise. Which effectively the only gripe people can have towards him.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 10:30

NCF wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 08:54

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2022 20:07

Murphy fired McCarthy. Thompson fired Sherman.

Murphy took the necessary steps to balance the power. The issue was Thompson was no longer capable of firing McCarthy. Much was made about that at the time, but I think we are in a much better position and structure now because of Murphy, even if it took a couple of years to wash out the staleness and re-establish proper chains of command. As long as he isn't meddling on the football side, I think this is a better and more common structure across the entire NFL. You have to pair a GM with a Coach that he can work with, but the GM doesn't need and probably not deserve sole discretion any longer.

Murphy is 100% still involved in some capacity on the football side.

Well, with a 100% certainty I am sure you can enlighten me with some particulars.

go pak go wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 11:44

Murphy was an integral hiring position of getting Gutey and MLF.

Gute seems to be a decent hire. Who knows if Wolf would have been better but keep in mind Wolf hasn't been offered a GM job yet.

MLF was an absolute banger - home run- type hire.

Murphy has built the brand and revenue and navigated through some rough waters. I can't honestly give him a lot of demerits. I think he has had a fine career. Hard to blame ST's miscues, or dropped passes in big moments in January on the president of a football franchise. Which effectively the only gripe people can have towards him.

I think hes done a pretty good job too. No real complaints.

NCF wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 11:47

Drj820 wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 10:30

NCF wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 08:54

Murphy took the necessary steps to balance the power. The issue was Thompson was no longer capable of firing McCarthy. Much was made about that at the time, but I think we are in a much better position and structure now because of Murphy, even if it took a couple of years to wash out the staleness and re-establish proper chains of command. As long as he isn't meddling on the football side, I think this is a better and more common structure across the entire NFL. You have to pair a GM with a Coach that he can work with, but the GM doesn't need and probably not deserve sole discretion any longer.

Murphy is 100% still involved in some capacity on the football side.

Well, with a 100% certainty I am sure you can enlighten me with some particulars.

Murphy hired Lafleur.
Lafleur reports to Murphy.

Thats being involved in the football side.

Further..if you think young Gutey traded up for Jordan Love without Murphys guidance or at minimal, blessing...well, i think thats ludicrous.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 12:16

NCF wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 11:47

Drj820 wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 10:30

Murphy is 100% still involved in some capacity on the football side.

Well, with a 100% certainty I am sure you can enlighten me with some particulars.

Murphy hired Lafleur.
Lafleur reports to Murphy.

Thats being involved in the football side.

Further..if you think young Gutey traded up for Jordan Love without Murphys guidance or at minimal, blessing...well, i think thats ludicrous.

Ur on an island here NCF. Murphy no doubt needed to go. He is a control freak IMO.

Realist wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 12:50

Drj820 wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 12:16

NCF wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 11:47

Well, with a 100% certainty I am sure you can enlighten me with some particulars.

Murphy hired Lafleur.
Lafleur reports to Murphy.

Thats being involved in the football side.

Further..if you think young Gutey traded up for Jordan Love without Murphys guidance or at minimal, blessing...well, i think thats ludicrous.

Ur on an island here NCF. Murphy no doubt needed to go. He is a control freak IMO.

i dont even think Murphy did some awful job, just dont see how one could pretend hes not involved in football matters. Hes involved in everything.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 12:58

Realist wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 12:50

Drj820 wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 12:16

Murphy hired Lafleur.
Lafleur reports to Murphy.

Thats being involved in the football side.

Further..if you think young Gutey traded up for Jordan Love without Murphys guidance or at minimal, blessing...well, i think thats ludicrous.

Ur on an island here NCF. Murphy no doubt needed to go. He is a control freak IMO.

i dont even think Murphy did some awful job, just dont see how one could pretend hes not involved in football matters. Hes involved in everything.

I don't consider hiring the personnel that then run the football side is being involved in the football side, but if that is all you got, then I guess we are mostly on the same page.

The trade up for Jordan Love.

A 4th-round pick that was essentially a 5th-round pick. I just don't buy Murphy was any more involved than he probably got the courteous heads up that should have went to Rodgers.

Realist wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 12:50

Ur on an island here NCF.

I have become accustomed to it. I know I am not the only one who thinks this way on this subject, though.

NCF wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 13:10

Drj820 wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 12:58

Realist wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 12:50

Ur on an island here NCF. Murphy no doubt needed to go. He is a control freak IMO.

i dont even think Murphy did some awful job, just dont see how one could pretend hes not involved in football matters. Hes involved in everything.

I don't consider hiring the personnel that then run the football side is being involved in the football side, but if that is all you got, then I guess we are mostly on the same page.

The trade up for Jordan Love.

A 4th-round pick that was essentially a 5th-round pick. I just don't buy Murphy was any more involved than he probably got the courteous heads up that should have went to Rodgers.

wait you think the thing young Gutey would need approval for was trading a 4th round pick, and not drafting Rodgers potential replacement in the first round? You dont see how that was a seismic decision destined to cause shockwaves. Shockwaves we have had to endure ever since.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 13:16

wait you think the thing young Gutey would need approval for was trading a 4th round pick, and not drafting Rodgers potential replacement in the first round? You dont see how that was a seismic decision destined to cause shockwaves. Shockwaves we have had to endure ever since.

I don't think he needed approval for either. As I said, I believe Murphy got the heads up before the pick was made. Seismic decision... shockwaves... that's all outside narrative. He literally stood at the podium and discussed for two straight offseasons that if the right QB was there, he'd take him.

NCF wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 13:27

Drj820 wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 13:16

wait you think the thing young Gutey would need approval for was trading a 4th round pick, and not drafting Rodgers potential replacement in the first round? You dont see how that was a seismic decision destined to cause shockwaves. Shockwaves we have had to endure ever since.

I don't think he needed approval for either. As I said, I believe Murphy got the heads up before the pick was made. Seismic decision... shockwaves... that's all outside narrative. He literally stood at the podium and discussed for two straight offseasons that if the right QB was there, he'd take him.

okay i dont think he did that without Murphys approval.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 13:16

NCF wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 13:10

Drj820 wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 12:58

i dont even think Murphy did some awful job, just dont see how one could pretend hes not involved in football matters. Hes involved in everything.

I don't consider hiring the personnel that then run the football side is being involved in the football side, but if that is all you got, then I guess we are mostly on the same page.

The trade up for Jordan Love.

A 4th-round pick that was essentially a 5th-round pick. I just don't buy Murphy was any more involved than he probably got the courteous heads up that should have went to Rodgers.

wait you think the thing young Gutey would need approval for was trading a 4th round pick, and not drafting Rodgers potential replacement in the first round? You dont see how that was a seismic decision destined to cause shockwaves. Shockwaves we have had to endure ever since.

Young Gutey, he's older then you are, and been scouting for 20 years, maybe if you didn't insult the guy right of the bat.

and unless you have evidence that Murphy did in fact orchestrate the trade up for Love then your opinion will be shot down, there has never even been a little gossip that would validate your claim.

It's one thing to question picks, or even complain if ya don't like one, we all do that, or complain about money spent on certain projects, but to sit here and complain because Murphy, who has been involved with some aspect of high end football his entire adult life for wanting accountabilIty from his gm and coaches after his stepping in with Ted and Mike doesn't even make sense, I would do the same as he is, and so would everyone here, people are looking for anything to complain about, and it's always the same few.

Yoop wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 14:03

Drj820 wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 13:16

NCF wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 13:10

I don't consider hiring the personnel that then run the football side is being involved in the football side, but if that is all you got, then I guess we are mostly on the same page.

The trade up for Jordan Love.

A 4th-round pick that was essentially a 5th-round pick. I just don't buy Murphy was any more involved than he probably got the courteous heads up that should have went to Rodgers.

wait you think the thing young Gutey would need approval for was trading a 4th round pick, and not drafting Rodgers potential replacement in the first round? You dont see how that was a seismic decision destined to cause shockwaves. Shockwaves we have had to endure ever since.

Young Gutey, he's older then you are, and been scouting for 20 years, maybe if you didn't insult the guy right of the bat.

and unless you have evidence that Murphy did in fact orchestrate the trade up for Love then your opinion will be shot down, there has never even been a little gossip that would validate your claim.

It's one thing to question picks, or even complain if ya don't like one, we all do that, or complain about money spent on certain projects, but to sit here and complain because Murphy, who has been involved with some aspect of high end football his entire adult life for wanting accountabilIty from his gm and coaches after his stepping in with Ted and Mike doesn't even make sense, I would do the same as he is, and so would everyone here, people are looking for anything to complain about, and it's always the same few.

do you think i am complaining?

I was under impression i was just speaking matter of factly. I would prefer young gutey to need permission to draft Rodgers replacement after only 18 months on the job.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 14:07

Yoop wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 14:03

Drj820 wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 13:16

wait you think the thing young Gutey would need approval for was trading a 4th round pick, and not drafting Rodgers potential replacement in the first round? You dont see how that was a seismic decision destined to cause shockwaves. Shockwaves we have had to endure ever since.

Young Gutey, he's older then you are, and been scouting for 20 years, maybe if you didn't insult the guy right of the bat.

and unless you have evidence that Murphy did in fact orchestrate the trade up for Love then your opinion will be shot down, there has never even been a little gossip that would validate your claim.

It's one thing to question picks, or even complain if ya don't like one, we all do that, or complain about money spent on certain projects, but to sit here and complain because Murphy, who has been involved with some aspect of high end football his entire adult life for wanting accountabilIty from his gm and coaches after his stepping in with Ted and Mike doesn't even make sense, I would do the same as he is, and so would everyone here, people are looking for anything to complain about, and it's always the same few.

do you think i am complaining?

I was under impression i was just speaking matter of factly. I would prefer young gutey to need permission to draft Rodgers replacement after only 18 months on the job.

sure sounded like you where attacking both Gute and Murphy, Gute because according to YOU his 20 plus years as a scout doesn't count, just the 18 months he's now held the title, he beat out 2 in house candidates for the job and no telling how many outsiders we don't know about, and Murphy because he hired a guy for the job he doesn't trust according to your thinking, so Ya, I think your complaining.

Yoop wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 14:35

Drj820 wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 14:07

Yoop wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 14:03

Young Gutey, he's older then you are, and been scouting for 20 years, maybe if you didn't insult the guy right of the bat.

and unless you have evidence that Murphy did in fact orchestrate the trade up for Love then your opinion will be shot down, there has never even been a little gossip that would validate your claim.

It's one thing to question picks, or even complain if ya don't like one, we all do that, or complain about money spent on certain projects, but to sit here and complain because Murphy, who has been involved with some aspect of high end football his entire adult life for wanting accountabilIty from his gm and coaches after his stepping in with Ted and Mike doesn't even make sense, I would do the same as he is, and so would everyone here, people are looking for anything to complain about, and it's always the same few.

do you think i am complaining?

I was under impression i was just speaking matter of factly. I would prefer young gutey to need permission to draft Rodgers replacement after only 18 months on the job.

sure sounded like you where attacking both Gute and Murphy, Gute because according to YOU his 20 plus years as a scout doesn't count, just the 18 months he's now held the title, he beat out 2 in house candidates for the job and no telling how many outsiders we don't know about, and Murphy because he hired a guy for the job he doesn't trust according to your thinking, so Ya, I think your complaining.

interesting take old man. 11 posts up i said this:

"I think hes done a pretty good job too. No real complaints."

referring to Murphy.

Did that sound like a complaint?

Realist wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 12:50

Drj820 wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 12:16

NCF wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 11:47

Well, with a 100% certainty I am sure you can enlighten me with some particulars.

Murphy hired Lafleur.
Lafleur reports to Murphy.

Thats being involved in the football side.

Further..if you think young Gutey traded up for Jordan Love without Murphys guidance or at minimal, blessing...well, i think thats ludicrous.

Ur on an island here NCF. Murphy no doubt needed to go. He is a control freak IMO.

He aint going no where for 3 years and only then because we have a age rule for exec's, and you should be singing his praises because he did step in and exert some control, this ship was spiraling down the crapper when he said enough is enough.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2022 12:58

i dont even think Murphy did some awful job, just dont see how one could pretend hes not involved in football matters. Hes involved in everything.

being involved with everything doesn't mean he runs the freaking draft.