Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 20 Jan 2023 09:45
Here's the link ti the grades: https://247sports.com/nfl/green-bay-pac ... 203064805/
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Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 20 Jan 2023 09:54
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 20 Jan 2023 09:57
TYPckfn23 wrote: ↑20 Jan 2023 09:45Here's the link ti the grades: https://247sports.com/nfl/green-bay-pac ... 203064805/
Gets you excited about Bakhtiari coming back, and Wyatt being a guy next year.
Makes you nervous about some guys like Stokes and Myers.
Fun read.
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 20 Jan 2023 10:03
creed humphrey was named to the AP second team all pro roster
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 20 Jan 2023 10:05
like any grading person, they are just his opinions, he also like every grader leans to his bias, he can over look the passes that should have been caught, the blown routes, the pressures that are not counted, and everything else that GPG said he includes with his grades, it's subjective according to his disposition of the player he's grading.NCF wrote: ↑20 Jan 2023 09:17His grades are a bit weird because they are cumulative. If Gary hadn't been hurt and he played at the same level all year his grade would have been more like 8 or 9. The way Gary is best defender by a long shot is by taking his grade for 2022 divided by games played. So he earned the highest grade per game is the statistical way of reconciling that statement.Yoop wrote: ↑20 Jan 2023 09:12Rashan Gary +4.40
Kenny Clark +4.25
these grades don't show Gary being the best defender by a long shot, even though I tend to agree, one reason though is that it's more difficult for a DC to compromise the ability of a edge rusher the way he did all season to our secondary players.
saying that, like all grades, there a reference and indicator of player performance, thats it, and his grade of Rodgers seems overly harsh imho.
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 20 Jan 2023 10:11
I gotta dig into this more, but the Myers grade seems weird. He was one of the top centers the first 5-6 weeks. I wish I could find EPA data. Do you have access to that?BF004 wrote: ↑20 Jan 2023 09:57TYPckfn23 wrote: ↑20 Jan 2023 09:45Here's the link ti the grades: https://247sports.com/nfl/green-bay-pac ... 203064805/
Gets you excited about Bakhtiari coming back, and Wyatt being a guy next year.
Makes you nervous about some guys like Stokes and Myers.
Fun read.
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 20 Jan 2023 10:14
If Andy was just a Rodgerz Haterz, he would have given Rodgers a negative grade. He didn't. He graded him in the neutral.
And regression after an MVP year is to be expected. The only way *not* to regress is by having another MVP year. Anything else -- good, neutral, bad -- will be a regression.
And he didn't have an MVP year again, so the 'regression' claim fits the evidence.
And regression after an MVP year is to be expected. The only way *not* to regress is by having another MVP year. Anything else -- good, neutral, bad -- will be a regression.
And he didn't have an MVP year again, so the 'regression' claim fits the evidence.
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 20 Jan 2023 10:18
We (you and I) are not talking about Rodgers, we are talking about Gary.Yoop wrote: ↑20 Jan 2023 10:05like any grading person, they are just his opinions, he also like every grader leans to his bias, he can over look the passes that should have been caught, the blown routes, the pressures that are not counted, and everything else that GPG said he includes with his grades, it's subjective according to his disposition of the player he's grading.NCF wrote: ↑20 Jan 2023 09:17His grades are a bit weird because they are cumulative. If Gary hadn't been hurt and he played at the same level all year his grade would have been more like 8 or 9. The way Gary is best defender by a long shot is by taking his grade for 2022 divided by games played. So he earned the highest grade per game is the statistical way of reconciling that statement.Yoop wrote: ↑20 Jan 2023 09:12Rashan Gary +4.40
Kenny Clark +4.25
these grades don't show Gary being the best defender by a long shot, even though I tend to agree, one reason though is that it's more difficult for a DC to compromise the ability of a edge rusher the way he did all season to our secondary players.
saying that, like all grades, there a reference and indicator of player performance, thats it, and his grade of Rodgers seems overly harsh imho.
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 20 Jan 2023 10:24
i like my outside linebackers to be available and on the field
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 20 Jan 2023 10:29
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 20 Jan 2023 10:32
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats ... nsive-line
I wish I could see it all, but if this is right, Packers were ranked 2nd in runs up middle and 3rd off right tackle. I would believe it would be hard to get those rankings if the center isn't cutting it. A lot of individual rush grades have pointed to him not being so hot. Across the board Myers has graded out as a top pass blocking center. I am not sure where the truth lies in this.
This is through week 8, pressure rate for all offensive lineman: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-top-15-off ... ugh-week-8 Myers 8th
I wish I could see it all, but if this is right, Packers were ranked 2nd in runs up middle and 3rd off right tackle. I would believe it would be hard to get those rankings if the center isn't cutting it. A lot of individual rush grades have pointed to him not being so hot. Across the board Myers has graded out as a top pass blocking center. I am not sure where the truth lies in this.
This is through week 8, pressure rate for all offensive lineman: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-top-15-off ... ugh-week-8 Myers 8th
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 20 Jan 2023 10:39
OK, heres my point, if what you believe where true, Bakhtiari would be the best offensive player, instead it's Jones, the RB who had 5 fumbles.NCF wrote: ↑20 Jan 2023 10:18We (you and I) are not talking about Rodgers, we are talking about Gary.Yoop wrote: ↑20 Jan 2023 10:05like any grading person, they are just his opinions, he also like every grader leans to his bias, he can over look the passes that should have been caught, the blown routes, the pressures that are not counted, and everything else that GPG said he includes with his grades, it's subjective according to his disposition of the player he's grading.NCF wrote: ↑20 Jan 2023 09:17
His grades are a bit weird because they are cumulative. If Gary hadn't been hurt and he played at the same level all year his grade would have been more like 8 or 9. The way Gary is best defender by a long shot is by taking his grade for 2022 divided by games played. So he earned the highest grade per game is the statistical way of reconciling that statement.
saying that, like all grades, there a reference and indicator of player performance, thats it, and his grade of Rodgers seems overly harsh imho.
so missing time for Gary matters less to Andy, then it does for Bakh? who gets a full grade point less the Jones.
conclusion, both GPG and Andy have a nut crush for Gary, and hate Rodgers, right?
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 20 Jan 2023 10:44
Oh great, here we go with pressure rates from the blind again, along with the defense of a center thats pushed back and forces the QB to jump around in the pocket, and Centers in a zone scheme aren't the only OL that open A gaps.
I get it, stats that in any way support your opinion are good, those that don't, not so good.
I get it, stats that in any way support your opinion are good, those that don't, not so good.
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 20 Jan 2023 10:54
If you actually read what was written, there is no defense or formed opinion. I am trying to get to the bottom of why Myers is being graded as he is.
I look for evidence to form my opinion, not form my opinion then look for evidence. What I saw on the field didn't necessarily conform to the grades given him, so I am trying to understand why that is and where the truth lies.I am not sure where the truth lies in this.
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 20 Jan 2023 11:04
Yes, but I think its more or less meaningless for an offensive linemen. All you can really do is look at the team EPA per play with and without him on the field. Maybe can control for some biases and such, but not sure if he even missed snaps.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑20 Jan 2023 10:11I gotta dig into this more, but the Myers grade seems weird. He was one of the top centers the first 5-6 weeks. I wish I could find EPA data. Do you have access to that?BF004 wrote: ↑20 Jan 2023 09:57TYPckfn23 wrote: ↑20 Jan 2023 09:45Here's the link ti the grades: https://247sports.com/nfl/green-bay-pac ... 203064805/
Gets you excited about Bakhtiari coming back, and Wyatt being a guy next year.
Makes you nervous about some guys like Stokes and Myers.
Fun read.
Andy's grades, PFF and ESPN's are probably the best things you can find for OL.
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 20 Jan 2023 12:27
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 20 Jan 2023 12:31
Honestly not a bad thing if he leaves. He is a middle of the pack STs coach. The key is to not hire a bum if he does go somewhere. I wouldn’t hire from within again if he leaves. He wasn’t here long enough to impact the coaches underneath him unless they followed him from Vegas.
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 20 Jan 2023 12:43
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Posted: 20 Jan 2023 12:49
I had to share the pain. No one person can bear this burden alone!Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑20 Jan 2023 12:43You should be suspended for posting that! Where the mods at?
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Posted: 20 Jan 2023 13:03
