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Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #12
Posted: 26 May 2023 10:31
by Pckfn23
Nixon was the KO Returner games 6-17, 12 weeks.
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #12
Posted: 26 May 2023 10:59
by Yoop
Acrobat wrote: ↑26 May 2023 09:41
NCF wrote: ↑26 May 2023 09:28
lupedafiasco wrote: ↑25 May 2023 18:12
I went with Nixon. Starting nickel CB as things stand and with Christian Watson, Aaron Jones, and Aaron Rodgers Nixon was the best way for us to gain yardage a season ago.
A travesty to see Quay with this many votes here IMO. Still a few players I would put over him like Runyan and Dillon.
For a portion of the season, yes, Nixon was a big-time return weapon. I get a little one-year wonder vibe there. The Packers also went out of their way to play absolutely anyone else on defense over Nixon a season ago, so I also don't buy that he is fully entrenched as our Nickel CB.
Nixon is the guy I am surprised is getting this much love early on. I think I have guys like Dillon, Quay, Wyatt, Runyan, and Doubs ahead of Nixon, yet, and possibly even a few others.
I'm in the same boat. In general, unless you're Devin Hester, return guys don't have multiple years of success. Desmond Howard is a prime example. '96 Season was GOAT and then just never really recaptured it. And yeah, just because Nixon had great returns doesn't suddenly turn him into a monster DB.
I disagree, Howard was good before and after he left GB
In his 11 NFL seasons, Howard caught 123 passes for 1,597 yards, rushed for 68 yards, returned 244 punts for 2,895 yards, and gained 7,595 yards returning 359 kickoffs. He also scored 15 touchdowns (7 receiving, 8 punt returns). Overall, Howard gained 12,155 all-purpose yards in his professional career, 10,490 as a return specialist.
And Nixon shows the same kind of vision for setting up his blocking, patience waiting for it to form up, and juice to run past defenders, he gave us great field position just as Howard did for 11 seasons.
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #12
Posted: 26 May 2023 11:19
by lupedafiasco
I think people are underestimating the impact Nixon has on the attitude of this team. Watch the way the sideline reacts when he returns anything. He provides juice.
Not only that but he’s a leader. He’s not taking &%$@ from the media about rebuilding. He’s wrong about not rebuilding but still gotta like the attitude.
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #12
Posted: 26 May 2023 11:33
by Yoop
we have 3 players running neck and neck and we are 12 slots into this, and all 3 deserve to win this slot, and I expect about the same scenario for the next few picks, this team has a lot of very good players
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #12
Posted: 26 May 2023 11:45
by Acrobat
Yoop wrote: ↑26 May 2023 10:59
Acrobat wrote: ↑26 May 2023 09:41
NCF wrote: ↑26 May 2023 09:28
For a portion of the season, yes, Nixon was a big-time return weapon. I get a little one-year wonder vibe there. The Packers also went out of their way to play absolutely anyone else on defense over Nixon a season ago, so I also don't buy that he is fully entrenched as our Nickel CB.
Nixon is the guy I am surprised is getting this much love early on. I think I have guys like Dillon, Quay, Wyatt, Runyan, and Doubs ahead of Nixon, yet, and possibly even a few others.
I'm in the same boat. In general, unless you're Devin Hester, return guys don't have multiple years of success. Desmond Howard is a prime example. '96 Season was GOAT and then just never really recaptured it. And yeah, just because Nixon had great returns doesn't suddenly turn him into a monster DB.
I disagree, Howard was good before and after he left GB
In his 11 NFL seasons, Howard caught 123 passes for 1,597 yards, rushed for 68 yards, returned 244 punts for 2,895 yards, and gained 7,595 yards returning 359 kickoffs. He also scored 15 touchdowns (7 receiving, 8 punt returns). Overall, Howard gained 12,155 all-purpose yards in his professional career, 10,490 as a return specialist.
And Nixon shows the same kind of vision for setting up his blocking, patience waiting for it to form up, and juice to run past defenders, he gave us great field position just as Howard did for 11 seasons.
30% of his Career Punt Return Yards and 38% of his Career Punt Return TD's came in 1996. Of those other 10 seasons, he had 2 that we ok, but nothing close to the impact he made in 1996.
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #12
Posted: 26 May 2023 11:51
by Yoop
Acrobat wrote: ↑26 May 2023 11:45
Yoop wrote: ↑26 May 2023 10:59
Acrobat wrote: ↑26 May 2023 09:41
I'm in the same boat. In general, unless you're Devin Hester, return guys don't have multiple years of success. Desmond Howard is a prime example. '96 Season was GOAT and then just never really recaptured it. And yeah, just because Nixon had great returns doesn't suddenly turn him into a monster DB.
I disagree, Howard was good before and after he left GB
In his 11 NFL seasons, Howard caught 123 passes for 1,597 yards, rushed for 68 yards, returned 244 punts for 2,895 yards, and gained 7,595 yards returning 359 kickoffs. He also scored 15 touchdowns (7 receiving, 8 punt returns). Overall, Howard gained 12,155 all-purpose yards in his professional career, 10,490 as a return specialist.
And Nixon shows the same kind of vision for setting up his blocking, patience waiting for it to form up, and juice to run past defenders, he gave us great field position just as Howard did for 11 seasons.
30% of his Career Punt Return Yards and 38% of his Career Punt Return TD's came in 1996. Of those other 10 seasons, he had 2 that we ok, but nothing close to the impact he made in 1996.
not according to this which shows his 2 best seasons where with detroit in 2000 and 2001
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... waDe00.htm
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #12
Posted: 26 May 2023 11:58
by NCF
Despite breaking the NFL record for punt return yards in season and still holding that record today by a margin of almost 200 yards, some guy named Jim Schwantz was voted to the Pro Bowl as the NFC ST selection (they didn't select individual return specialists back then). Of course he played for the Cowboys and as far as I can tell he recorded 12 tackles.
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #12
Posted: 26 May 2023 12:01
by NCF
Yoop wrote: ↑26 May 2023 11:51
Acrobat wrote: ↑26 May 2023 11:45
Yoop wrote: ↑26 May 2023 10:59
I disagree, Howard was good before and after he left GB
In his 11 NFL seasons, Howard caught 123 passes for 1,597 yards, rushed for 68 yards, returned 244 punts for 2,895 yards, and gained 7,595 yards returning 359 kickoffs. He also scored 15 touchdowns (7 receiving, 8 punt returns). Overall, Howard gained 12,155 all-purpose yards in his professional career, 10,490 as a return specialist.
And Nixon shows the same kind of vision for setting up his blocking, patience waiting for it to form up, and juice to run past defenders, he gave us great field position just as Howard did for 11 seasons.
30% of his Career Punt Return Yards and 38% of his Career Punt Return TD's came in 1996. Of those other 10 seasons, he had 2 that we ok, but nothing close to the impact he made in 1996.
not according to this which shows his 2 best seasons where with detroit in 2000 and 2001
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... waDe00.htm
Yeah, nice volume on the KR yards, but that is not as impactful, IMO, as his production as a PR. Doesn't get any better than this:
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Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #12
Posted: 26 May 2023 12:13
by Yoop
NCF wrote: ↑26 May 2023 12:01
Yoop wrote: ↑26 May 2023 11:51
Acrobat wrote: ↑26 May 2023 11:45
30% of his Career Punt Return Yards and 38% of his Career Punt Return TD's came in 1996. Of those other 10 seasons, he had 2 that we ok, but nothing close to the impact he made in 1996.
not according to this which shows his 2 best seasons where with detroit in 2000 and 2001
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... waDe00.htm
Yeah, nice volume on the KR yards, but that is not as impactful, IMO, as his production as a PR. Doesn't get any better than this:
image.png
agree, thats why he won MVP honors
It all matters though, his ball security and KO returns also help the offense, over 1800 yrds two seasons straight for detroit, Howard was excellent returner, and what Nixon did last year can be easily expected this year, he deserves selection here as much as anyone else, thats the point.
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #12
Posted: 26 May 2023 12:32
by Acrobat
Yoop wrote: ↑26 May 2023 11:51
Acrobat wrote: ↑26 May 2023 11:45
Yoop wrote: ↑26 May 2023 10:59
I disagree, Howard was good before and after he left GB
In his 11 NFL seasons, Howard caught 123 passes for 1,597 yards, rushed for 68 yards, returned 244 punts for 2,895 yards, and gained 7,595 yards returning 359 kickoffs. He also scored 15 touchdowns (7 receiving, 8 punt returns). Overall, Howard gained 12,155 all-purpose yards in his professional career, 10,490 as a return specialist.
And Nixon shows the same kind of vision for setting up his blocking, patience waiting for it to form up, and juice to run past defenders, he gave us great field position just as Howard did for 11 seasons.
30% of his Career Punt Return Yards and 38% of his Career Punt Return TD's came in 1996. Of those other 10 seasons, he had 2 that we ok, but nothing close to the impact he made in 1996.
not according to this which shows his 2 best seasons where with detroit in 2000 and 2001
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... waDe00.htm
He only had 1 TD over that 2 year span. Sure he got volume, but he never came close to the impact he made in 96.
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #12
Posted: 26 May 2023 12:38
by Yoop
Acrobat wrote: ↑26 May 2023 12:32
Yoop wrote: ↑26 May 2023 11:51
Acrobat wrote: ↑26 May 2023 11:45
30% of his Career Punt Return Yards and 38% of his Career Punt Return TD's came in 1996. Of those other 10 seasons, he had 2 that we ok, but nothing close to the impact he made in 1996.
not according to this which shows his 2 best seasons where with detroit in 2000 and 2001
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... waDe00.htm
He only had 1 TD over that 2 year span. Sure he got volume, but he never came close to the impact he made in 96.
who does? volume matters, giving the offense a shorter field Matters, Howards was a excellent return specialist, just freaking admit it
And and there is no reason to expect Nixon wont do again what he did last season unless he is injured or his blockers let him down
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #12
Posted: 26 May 2023 12:41
by Acrobat
Yoop wrote: ↑26 May 2023 12:38
Acrobat wrote: ↑26 May 2023 12:32
He only had 1 TD over that 2 year span. Sure he got volume, but he never came close to the impact he made in 96.
who does? volume matters, giving the offense a shorter field Matters, Howards was a excellent return specialist, just freaking admit it
And and there is no reason to expect Nixon wont do again what he did last season unless he is injured or his blockers let him down
I never said he wasn't an excellent return specialist. I love Desmond. I'm just saying that aside from 1996, he didn't have a big impact or eye popping stats.
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #12
Posted: 26 May 2023 13:08
by Yoop
Acrobat wrote: ↑26 May 2023 12:41
Yoop wrote: ↑26 May 2023 12:38
Acrobat wrote: ↑26 May 2023 12:32
He only had 1 TD over that 2 year span. Sure he got volume, but he never came close to the impact he made in 96.
who does? volume matters, giving the offense a shorter field Matters, Howards was a excellent return specialist, just freaking admit it
And and there is no reason to expect Nixon wont do again what he did last season unless he is injured or his blockers let him down
I never said he wasn't an excellent return specialist. I love Desmond. I'm just saying that aside from 1996, he didn't have a big impact or eye popping stats.
you down played his production for every season other then 96, mostly I think to slow or curtail the vote count for Nixon, because you think he'll decline as you thought Howard did, except Howard didn't really decline, and theres no reason for Nixon to all things being equal to last year either.
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #12
Posted: 26 May 2023 13:11
by Madcity_matt
Quay and Nixon are my guys here. Quay is (hopefully) going to make a nice jump in recognition and play even faster. Nixon might be too low if he ends up as starting NB this year.
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #12
Posted: 26 May 2023 13:24
by Acrobat
Yoop wrote: ↑26 May 2023 13:08
Acrobat wrote: ↑26 May 2023 12:41
Yoop wrote: ↑26 May 2023 12:38
who does? volume matters, giving the offense a shorter field Matters, Howards was a excellent return specialist, just freaking admit it
And and there is no reason to expect Nixon wont do again what he did last season unless he is injured or his blockers let him down
I never said he wasn't an excellent return specialist. I love Desmond. I'm just saying that aside from 1996, he didn't have a big impact or eye popping stats.
you down played his production for every season other then 96, mostly I think to slow or curtail the vote count for Nixon, because you think he'll decline as you thought Howard did, except Howard didn't really decline, and theres no reason for Nixon to all things being equal to last year either.
See, this is where things go wrong every time you get into discussions. I made my point about Nixon and used Desmond Howard's career as an example. I don't have anything against either player and I certainly do not have some evil, sinister plan to skew the votes in favor of other players over Nixon. Trust me, I have many more pressing issues in life than to worry about the poll results at Packers-huddle.com. There is no reason for you to make it personal whatsoever.
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #12
Posted: 26 May 2023 13:43
by YoHoChecko
Madcity_matt wrote: ↑26 May 2023 13:11
Quay and Nixon are my guys here. Quay is (hopefully) going to make a nice jump in recognition and play even faster. Nixon might be too low if he ends up as starting NB this year.
I'm intrigued by the gap in expectations for Walker and Wyatt in year two. I know Walker was a starter and Wyatt rotational, but that's normal for DL and LB coming into the league. And with Lowry and Reed gone, he has to be considered a starter
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #12
Posted: 26 May 2023 14:54
by Yoop
Acrobat wrote: ↑26 May 2023 13:24
Yoop wrote: ↑26 May 2023 13:08
Acrobat wrote: ↑26 May 2023 12:41
I never said he wasn't an excellent return specialist. I love Desmond. I'm just saying that aside from 1996, he didn't have a big impact or eye popping stats.
you down played his production for every season other then 96, mostly I think to slow or curtail the vote count for Nixon, because you think he'll decline as you thought Howard did, except Howard didn't really decline, and theres no reason for Nixon to all things being equal to last year either.
See, this is where things go wrong every time you get into discussions. I made my point about Nixon and used Desmond Howard's career as an example. I don't have anything against either player and I certainly do not have some evil, sinister plan to skew the votes in favor of other players over Nixon. Trust me, I have many more pressing issues in life than to worry about the poll results at Packers-huddle.com. There is no reason for you to make it personal whatsoever.
nothing personal, you where wrong and I showed you where wrong and you continued to defend being wrong
you said Nixon WONT repeat his production last year and you wrongfully used Howard as a example of it, take away the SB game which was fantastic and Howard was a steady eddie returner, you and others here act as though Hester was the only returner worth a damn.
just own it
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #12
Posted: 26 May 2023 15:24
by Acrobat
Yoop wrote: ↑26 May 2023 14:54
Acrobat wrote: ↑26 May 2023 13:24
Yoop wrote: ↑26 May 2023 13:08
you down played his production for every season other then 96, mostly I think to slow or curtail the vote count for Nixon, because you think he'll decline as you thought Howard did, except Howard didn't really decline, and theres no reason for Nixon to all things being equal to last year either.
See, this is where things go wrong every time you get into discussions. I made my point about Nixon and used Desmond Howard's career as an example. I don't have anything against either player and I certainly do not have some evil, sinister plan to skew the votes in favor of other players over Nixon. Trust me, I have many more pressing issues in life than to worry about the poll results at Packers-huddle.com. There is no reason for you to make it personal whatsoever.
nothing personal, you where wrong and I showed you where wrong and you continued to defend being wrong
you said Nixon WONT repeat his production last year and you wrongfully used Howard as a example of it, take away the SB game which was fantastic and Howard was a steady eddie returner, you and others here act as though Hester was the only returner worth a damn.
just own it
I'm not doing this with you about something so stupid. Stop trying to bait people into arguments for the love of God.
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #12
Posted: 26 May 2023 15:28
by Crazylegs Starks
So with Rodgers gone, Yoop is going to white knight for Nixon?
I hope Jordan doesn't get wind of this; he'll be so disappointed.
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #12
Posted: 26 May 2023 15:30
by Yoop
Acrobat wrote: ↑26 May 2023 15:24
Yoop wrote: ↑26 May 2023 14:54
Acrobat wrote: ↑26 May 2023 13:24
See, this is where things go wrong every time you get into discussions. I made my point about Nixon and used Desmond Howard's career as an example. I don't have anything against either player and I certainly do not have some evil, sinister plan to skew the votes in favor of other players over Nixon. Trust me, I have many more pressing issues in life than to worry about the poll results at Packers-huddle.com. There is no reason for you to make it personal whatsoever.
nothing personal, you where wrong and I showed you where wrong and you continued to defend being wrong
you said Nixon WONT repeat his production last year and you wrongfully used Howard as a example of it, take away the SB game which was fantastic and Howard was a steady eddie returner, you and others here act as though Hester was the only returner worth a damn.
just own it
I'm not doing this with you about something so stupid.
whats stupid, is thinking that Nixon can't do what he did last year, and acting as though a returner has to get TD returns or he isn't helping the team, your just upset because I wont cave to your failed logic.
I agree carrying on a convo with someone as illogical as you is a waste of time.