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Just like the last 8 games of 2023 shouldn't have led to future hall of fame talk, this season shouldn't lead to Love isn't the guy talk.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

13 Jan 2025 11:13

Just like the last 8 games of 2023 shouldn't have led to future hall of fame talk, this season should lead to Love isn't the guy talk.

Should or shouldn't?

Half Empty wrote: ↑

13 Jan 2025 11:22

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

13 Jan 2025 11:13

Just like the last 8 games of 2023 shouldn't have led to future hall of fame talk, this season should lead to Love isn't the guy talk.

Should or shouldn't?

The latter.

Half Empty wrote: ↑

13 Jan 2025 11:22

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

13 Jan 2025 11:13

Just like the last 8 games of 2023 shouldn't have led to future hall of fame talk, this season should lead to Love isn't the guy talk.

Should or shouldn't?

Shouldn't. Fixed.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

13 Jan 2025 11:13

Just like the last 8 games of 2023 shouldn't have led to future hall of fame talk, this season shouldn't lead to Love isn't the guy talk.

All games must be extrapolated to either fire everyone or we are winning the SB.

Half Empty wrote: ↑

13 Jan 2025 11:22

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

13 Jan 2025 11:13

Just like the last 8 games of 2023 shouldn't have led to future hall of fame talk, this season should lead to Love isn't the guy talk.

Should or shouldn't?

does every obvious typo have to be questioned, you had to know he meant shouldn't

Yoop wrote: ↑

13 Jan 2025 12:58

Half Empty wrote: ↑

13 Jan 2025 11:22

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

13 Jan 2025 11:13

Just like the last 8 games of 2023 shouldn't have led to future hall of fame talk, this season should lead to Love isn't the guy talk.

Should or shouldn't?

does every obvious typo have to be questioned, you had to know he meant shouldn't

It's a valid question. I appreciate him asking for clarification before jumping to a conclusion. Questions aren't inherently bad.

go pak go wrote: ↑

13 Jan 2025 11:59

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

13 Jan 2025 11:13

Just like the last 8 games of 2023 shouldn't have led to future hall of fame talk, this season shouldn't lead to Love isn't the guy talk.

All games must be extrapolated to either fire everyone or we are winning the SB.

people here force the either or comments, just because someone says this coach or that player sucked, doesn't mean they always suck.

and there are only a few posters here that even are that negative, what I get from some of you is that you just can't handle a negative comment concerning any thing GB Packers, we've watched a &%$@ show this last month, and the coaches as well as GM and players deserve this calling out.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

13 Jan 2025 13:00

Yoop wrote: ↑

13 Jan 2025 12:58

Half Empty wrote: ↑

13 Jan 2025 11:22

Should or shouldn't?

does every obvious typo have to be questioned, you had to know he meant shouldn't

It's a valid question. I appreciate him asking for clarification before jumping to a conclusion. Questions aren't inherently bad.

BS, it was obvious to me and I read it before anyone else, that you simply didn't add the n't everyone else new it too

Yoop wrote: ↑

13 Jan 2025 13:09

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

13 Jan 2025 13:00

Yoop wrote: ↑

13 Jan 2025 12:58

does every obvious typo have to be questioned, you had to know he meant shouldn't

It's a valid question. I appreciate him asking for clarification before jumping to a conclusion. Questions aren't inherently bad.

BS, it was obvious to me and I read it before anyone else, that you simply didn't add the n't everyone else new it too

Great, I am glad you're exceptional at assuming. Could bite you sometime though. Me personally, glad he asked instead of assuming.

Another change to make imo is to stop trading away veteran leaders at the trade deadline if the team is contending. Even if Rasul or Preston were reduced to spot duty due to declining skills, it’s more of a loss to the whole team and culture to ditch leaders who have more skin in the game. Being the youngest team every year doesn’t just mean you have a lot of potential, it also means there is very little experience and likely professionalism amongst the players.

lake shark wrote: ↑

13 Jan 2025 14:19

Another change to make imo is to stop trading away veteran leaders at the trade deadline if the team is contending. Even if Rasul or Preston were reduced to spot duty due to declining skills, it’s more of a loss to the whole team and culture to ditch leaders who have more skin in the game. Being the youngest team every year doesn’t just mean you have a lot of potential, it also means there is very little experience and likely professionalism amongst the players.

In Preston's case, didn't he also ask to be traded? I thought I recalled that. No sense keeping a guy who doesn't want to be there. Probably isn't going to be a good leader in that situation. Still plenty of people around to step up, even on a young team.

Rasul ended up being a mistake last year, no doubt.

Trading Preston Smith away was a good move, the backups who got to play more after his departure were much more effective than he was. Smith was an inactive for PIT in the playoff game.

I didn't like trading Douglas away because I felt like he still had a couple good seasons left in the tank, and his play at CB would have helped greatly this year and last. I would get over it though if our Round 3 selection we got for him was a slam dunk, though. We took Ty'Ron Hopper, a LB who is not good at tackling, and was no use to us this season. I will say, what little I have seen of Hopper thus far, he has looked pretty good. If we hit on him, the Douglas trade could end up having been a good move, critical though I've been of it.

To the thought of shoring up coverage better in mid field...

If we keep Quay, and ILB2, we need to get better coverage from them and mix up the Safeties more. I am hoping that Coop splits time between inside and edge, so we need another way to utilize a 3rd LB in coverage. BTW, better pash rush helps this a lot.

About Love running more, I still wonder if he's slightly lame now, leading to not running almost at all yesterday. Give him time to heal and coach him up in that and maybe it happens.

Utilizing TE/RB in short passing game more? Yes, please! We've seen too many examples of Love heaving it deep or out of bounds instead of taking the check downs. We have seen MLF call a few screens here and there. Maybe if Musgrave plays more next year...

I think we can bank on Guty drafting a WR high and/or finding a FA WR. Please don't make so much noise about Tee Higgins. Yes, I'd love if we had him. But those rumors have been swirling for what seems like forever already.

paco wrote: ↑

13 Jan 2025 14:31

lake shark wrote: ↑

13 Jan 2025 14:19

Another change to make imo is to stop trading away veteran leaders at the trade deadline if the team is contending. Even if Rasul or Preston were reduced to spot duty due to declining skills, it’s more of a loss to the whole team and culture to ditch leaders who have more skin in the game. Being the youngest team every year doesn’t just mean you have a lot of potential, it also means there is very little experience and likely professionalism amongst the players.

In Preston's case, didn't he also ask to be traded? I thought I recalled that. No sense keeping a guy who doesn't want to be there. Probably isn't going to be a good leader in that situation. Still plenty of people around to step up, even on a young team.

Rasul ended up being a mistake last year, no doubt.

He did ask to be traded. Gutey should have had the moneyball David Justice conversion with him.

I am apparently in the minority who is not all that down on Jordan Love's performance this season.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think he progressed much if at all in 2024 but I still see a lot of promise in his game.

That said, I am apparently also an outlier when it comes to how good the wide receivers are.

More specifically, I think Doubs is a physically limited possession receiver with little upside and now a track record of concussions. I also think his quitting on the team during the season is a huge red flag that the team ignores at its peril.

Watson is physically gifted, but after three seasons I have serious doubts about his durability. I also view his on the field play as being not much better than what MVS gave us. Coming off of an ACL, does anyone seriously expect Watson to contribute much in 2025 -- his contract year? I sure don't.

I asee Wicks as a 5th round pick with poor hands. He also lacks explosiveness.

The only current guy I have much faith in is Jayden Reed and that is purely as a slot receiver.

Comparing the Pack's WR room with those of the NFC teams still left in the playoffs shows GB's talent is not close to its competitors.

Washington (Terry McLaurin)
Detroit (Amon-Ra St. Brown & Jameson Williams)
Philly (AJ Brown & DeVonta Smith)
LA Rams (Puka Nacua & Cooper Kupp)
Minnesota (Justin Jefferson & Jordan Addison)

I expect that if the Packers give Jordan Love some better receivers to throw to his production will increase correspondingly.

LombardiTime wrote: ↑

13 Jan 2025 19:45

I am apparently in the minority who is not all that down on Jordan Love's performance this season.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think he progressed much if at all in 2024 but I still see a lot of promise in his game.

That said, I am apparently also an outlier when it comes to how good the wide receivers are.

More specifically, I think Doubs is a physically limited possession receiver with little upside and now a track record of concussions. I also think his quitting on the team during the season is a huge red flag that the team ignores at its peril.

Watson is physically gifted, but after three seasons I have serious doubts about his durability. I also view his on the field play as being not much better than what MVS gave us. Coming off of an ACL, does anyone seriously expect Watson to contribute much in 2025 -- his contract year? I sure don't.

I asee Wicks as a 5th round pick with poor hands. He also lacks explosiveness.

The only current guy I have much faith in is Jayden Reed and that is purely as a slot receiver.

Comparing the Pack's WR room with those of the NFC teams still left in the playoffs shows GB's talent is not close to its competitors.

Washington (Terry McLaurin)
Detroit (Amon-Ra St. Brown & Jameson Williams)
Philly (AJ Brown & DeVonta Smith)
LA Rams (Puka Nacua & Cooper Kupp)
Minnesota (Justin Jefferson & Jordan Addison)

I expect that if the Packers give Jordan Love some better receivers to throw to his production will increase correspondingly.

I actually agree with what you are saying, with the exception of Watson. I think Watson is a much better player than MVS, He can make plays over the middle and is a pretty decent blocker. Unfortunately, he does seem too fragile for the NFL. I do feel we need a significant upgrade to our WRs. We need WRs who can actually get open more often and this will help make Love a better QB.

Last year I was left wondering if Jordan just tightened up at the end of the 9er's game and experience would see him through in the future or if maybe he was just getting away with things all year because defenses hadn't figured out his tendencies yet and threw to a lot of open receivers downfield. For a while there, I couldn't believe my eyes last year. Seemed to have such control over the game and the field and I was wondering does he see all this? or just very fortunate because I've seen it happen to all sorts of guys in the past for a season or so.

This year i'm left wondering the same it seems. The kid clearly can play at a pretty high level. I don't think he's anywhere close to Rodgers/Favre comparisons yet so I hope those settle down.

But he was injured, knees affect QB's when he got healthy he seemed better, but no consistency at WR didn't help. With our run game i'm not sure why we didn't have the play action game we did but the offense never seemed to find it's footing this year. Had moments, but I don't think they even had a complete game all year. Just moments. Drive here, drive there. A good half, etc. No consistency week to week and i'm not smart enough to know the cause.

Was it Love just not seeing the field well? Was he trying to give guys who probably aren't good enough to be given opportunities to make those plays, a shot to make that play? is he just prone to dumb decisions? will he learn from this? Was it planned or forced? I remember a lot of drives killed by dropped balls and a few from bad decisions or poor throws. But a lot of those could still have been made by better WR's. and more 1st downs means more plays and suddenly offenses look so much better than they did.

I seem to have as many questions as I did last year. But all things considered, even right now, with a decent team around him I think he's good enough to win so I'm happy about that at least. I'm not sure he can lift the team, but I'd rather be in a position where he doesn't need to.

Offensively, we still need to be better up front. Last year I said we needed to upgrade 3 guys on that line, I'd say overally I'd consider that job 1/3 of the way almost ok LOL.

WR? Round 1-3 draft and a top shelf FA. I hate spending FA money on WR's because it's ridiculous for what you get usually. But we need one, and we don't have one on the roster. Doubs has concussion issues I think, Watson is done here even if he does come back 100% sometime next year. Can never count on him. Reed is a slot guy and the rest? I was higher on them last year than this. Tom Brady gave some good commentary on why guys like Bo Melton are not the stars we'd like them to be in that last game.

TE's are good

Defensively, which is where I'd rather spend FA money if we're going to over a WR, but Edge rusher or CB. Stokes is gone IMO, Nixon can be too. He's a guy, he's not CB1 no matter what he thinks. Valentine is OK. Jaire is looking like he's gone, but who knows. With him, we need 2, and without we need 3.

I'm fine at linebacker, we have 2 and we can sprinkle in your average journeyman or developmental draft pick to fill in behind.

I'm way too long winded. We need definite upgrades at WR, OL, DL and DB's.

Ill add another thing to my list.

7) Policy needs to sit down with Gutenbumst and Lafleur and ask why every offseason one of our highest paid and in most cases, star player wants to leave Green Bay. Aaron Rodgers, Davante Adams, Zadarius Smith, Jaire Alexander, Devondre Campbell, and Preston Smith have all asked to leave. Whether these are related or separate incidents is really irrelevant to me at this point when it has become a trend on this team for veterans to really just force themselves off the team. I want to know why its happening and what they aregoing to do to stop it. On one hand its a terrible look every season in the cases of Adams, Rodgers, Z, and Jaire for some of the best players at their position to essentially say I will never play for you again.

On the business side I am looking right at Gutenbumst and asking him why is he wasting Packers money signing these players to big deals and letting them go incurring dead cap on the team and wasting the money paid up front. Its fraud, waste, and abuse at this point.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2025 08:01

Ill add another thing to my list.

7) Policy needs to sit down with Gutenbumst and Lafleur and ask why every offseason one of our highest paid and in most cases, star player wants to leave Green Bay. Aaron Rodgers, Davante Adams, Zadarius Smith, Jaire Alexander, Devondre Campbell, and Preston Smith have all asked to leave. Whether these are related or separate incidents is really irrelevant to me at this point when it has become a trend on this team for veterans to really just force themselves off the team. I want to know why its happening and what they aregoing to do to stop it. On one hand its a terrible look every season in the cases of Adams, Rodgers, Z, and Jaire for some of the best players at their position to essentially say I will never play for you again.

On the business side I am looking right at Gutenbumst and asking him why is he wasting Packers money signing these players to big deals and letting them go incurring dead cap on the team and wasting the money paid up front. Its fraud, waste, and abuse at this point.

were not the only team in the NFL were players for many reasons want a change of scenery, typically as with ours, they want something the team isn't giving them, either money, more snaps, or a personality clash with coaches,don't like the scheme, every player you just mentioned minus P. Smith and Adams (Alexander, who knows with him???) became a me first head case player, I admit possibly because of everything I mentioned.