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I can't even bring myself to watch or read much yet because of that.
Well yeah. You don't become the #1 offense WITHOUT having top end talent at key spots on the offense.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021 09:32It's even more $%@# stupid than that! He has the games beat receiver, the games beat left tackle, a guard who may now be top 3, a TE who led the league in YD receptions, and a RB who is probably top 5. $%@#! Just stop!!go pak go wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021 09:28So for decades I had to hear that the Packers couldn't give Rodgers a defense to win it all. What a disservice.
So now when we are trying to give Rodgers a defense it is a major disservice we don't give him a weapon when the team was the #1 offense in 2020.
Do they know how stupid that sounds?
And if we did somehow manage to give AR great weapons to go along with a great OL, great running game and a great defense (heck, throw in great STs, too!), and then did win the SB, it would be accredited only to AR's greatness...Pckfn23 wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021 09:32It's even more $%@# stupid than that! He has the games beat receiver, the games beat left tackle, a guard who may now be top 3, a TE who led the league in YD receptions, and a RB who is probably top 5. $%@#! Just stop!!go pak go wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021 09:28So for decades I had to hear that the Packers couldn't give Rodgers a defense to win it all. What a disservice.
So now when we are trying to give Rodgers a defense it is a major disservice we don't give him a weapon when the team was the #1 offense in 2020.
Do they know how stupid that sounds?
I'm interested, too, but also this sort of "drop" has happened with guys I consider to be this style several times. Shaq Thompson (25th) and Myles Jack (36th) come to mind for me.NCF wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021 09:35So why is JOK still on the board? I know he is a little bit of a guy without a position, but I read all of the things that Isaiah Simmons struggled with, JOK was more polished and likely to succeed. Is it stigma, position identification, and small stature, or is it really he isn't as good as I thought he was?
probably a little of both, I thought he go prior to our pick, obviously like us other teams value other positions higher, I think Jok, Barmore, E. Moore will be in the first group of picks tonight.NCF wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021 09:35So why is JOK still on the board? I know he is a little bit of a guy without a position, but I read all of the things that Isaiah Simmons struggled with, JOK was more polished and likely to succeed. Is it stigma, position identification, and small stature, or is it really he isn't as good as I thought he was?
this is bull and you know it GPG, our defense received a lot of credit for 019, in fact we read a ton of articles about the pass rush, Alexander, Savage, Amos, Clark and both Smiths, your so pissed off your spotting any ol nonsensical thing that comes to mind.go pak go wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021 09:44Well yeah. You don't become the #1 offense WITHOUT having top end talent at key spots on the offense.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021 09:32It's even more $%@# stupid than that! He has the games beat receiver, the games beat left tackle, a guard who may now be top 3, a TE who led the league in YD receptions, and a RB who is probably top 5. $%@#! Just stop!!go pak go wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021 09:28
So for decades I had to hear that the Packers couldn't give Rodgers a defense to win it all. What a disservice.
So now when we are trying to give Rodgers a defense it is a major disservice we don't give him a weapon when the team was the #1 offense in 2020.
Do they know how stupid that sounds?
I just get so sick of when the Packers are good it's only because of Aaron Rodgers and no credit given elsewhere and when the Packers offense stumbles it's not at all because of Rodgers but instead his support staff sucks.
It's so old and counter-intuitive on the constant narrative that Rodgers gets it both ways.
1. Really don't know what point you are making in this post at all. I don't know what you are are referring to me about being bull at all.Yoop wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021 12:07this is bull and you know it GPG, our defense received a lot of credit for 019, in fact we read a ton of articles about the pass rush, Alexander, Savage, Amos, Clark and both Smiths, your so pissed off your spotting any ol nonsensical thing that comes to mind.go pak go wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021 09:44Well yeah. You don't become the #1 offense WITHOUT having top end talent at key spots on the offense.
I just get so sick of when the Packers are good it's only because of Aaron Rodgers and no credit given elsewhere and when the Packers offense stumbles it's not at all because of Rodgers but instead his support staff sucks.
It's so old and counter-intuitive on the constant narrative that Rodgers gets it both ways.
we also have no idea WHO Rodgers would have preferred if we had not picked LOVE, not ever do I remember Rodgers complaining about the WR group other then a comment about one playing with his cell phone in a meeting, yet to the casual observer like myself and anyone with half a brain it's needed a influx of actually talented receiver for at least a few years, just because Rodgers can turn a stooge into a servicable WR doesn't mean he wouldn't have been able to get more production from a better prospect, thats insane thinking to think he wouldn't have.
And I think the Packers would prefer Rodgers to play at least one good game in any of his 5 attempts in an NFC Title game.
Tough titty.
you just said Rodgers gets all the credit, I responded with BULL, the defense received most of the credit for 019, you said Rodgers was rated #10, which leaves out that the offense was in a new scheme and everyone on offense experienced problems with adjusting to it through out the season, again you phrase the conversation swo you can lay the blame on Rodgers.go pak go wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021 12:211. Really don't know what point you are making in this post at all. I don't know what you are are referring to me about being bull at all.Yoop wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021 12:07this is bull and you know it GPG, our defense received a lot of credit for 019, in fact we read a ton of articles about the pass rush, Alexander, Savage, Amos, Clark and both Smiths, your so pissed off your spotting any ol nonsensical thing that comes to mind.go pak go wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021 09:44
Well yeah. You don't become the #1 offense WITHOUT having top end talent at key spots on the offense.
I just get so sick of when the Packers are good it's only because of Aaron Rodgers and no credit given elsewhere and when the Packers offense stumbles it's not at all because of Rodgers but instead his support staff sucks.
It's so old and counter-intuitive on the constant narrative that Rodgers gets it both ways.
we also have no idea WHO Rodgers would have preferred if we had not picked LOVE, not ever do I remember Rodgers complaining about the WR group other then a comment about one playing with his cell phone in a meeting, yet to the casual observer like myself and anyone with half a brain it's needed a influx of actually talented receiver for at least a few years, just because Rodgers can turn a stooge into a servicable WR doesn't mean he wouldn't have been able to get more production from a better prospect, thats insane thinking to think he wouldn't have.
2. I am having a really hard time with the WR argument considering all the WRs that would have been good fits in GB were gone by the time the Packers selected at pick 26.
The main thing is it is very ridiculous to complain we don't have a valid #2 WR when we have the best #1 WR in the league, the best LT in the league, a top 5 RB in the league and substantial up and coming support weapons with Dillon and Tonyan as well as putting out a top end offensive line for the last two years.
So your point of our defense playing well in 2019 clarifies my point even further. The Packers gave Rodgers a fantastic supporting cast on both sides of the ball the last two years. Continued bitching beyond what he was given is the irrational defense for Rodgers that I am getting so sick of.
The Packers were 13-3 when Rodgers was a 10th rated QB in the league. The Packers were 13-3 when Rodgers was the MVP in the league.
The Packers are a damn good situation for Rodgers to be in.
Man, if they don't extend Adams or re-sign MVS, the cupboard is going to be really bare at WR next year. I still want the slot/gadget guy more, but yeah, we could use a legit WR prospect, too.Ghost_Lombardi wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021 15:26I want three picks from 33 to 99. We need trade up from our later rounds.
I want a WR that wins at the LOS.
I want a DL that is stout and disruptive.
I want an ILB whose hair is on fire.
