Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 06 Sep 2021 13:30
and what is the significance of LG versus right RG again for a right hand throwing QB?
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Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 06 Sep 2021 13:39
My gut says that coach goes with the experienced vet over the sophomore player at LG, especially given two first-year players starting the other two interior OL spots. So Patrick over JRJ, even though I feel like Patrick is not as good an LG than RG for some reason, whereas LG seems to be Runyan's best position.
I feel like the LG tends to go up against more athletic DTs and therefore calls for a somewhat more athletic IOL than Patrick, although he does more-or-less get the job done there. Still, Runyan next to Myers and Newman would be a lot of inexperience along the interior, and I doubt MLF would be comfortable with that.
I feel like the LG tends to go up against more athletic DTs and therefore calls for a somewhat more athletic IOL than Patrick, although he does more-or-less get the job done there. Still, Runyan next to Myers and Newman would be a lot of inexperience along the interior, and I doubt MLF would be comfortable with that.
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 06 Sep 2021 13:43
I hope they are going Jenkins, Patrick, Meyers, Newman, Turner and just stay with Newman and Meyers all year. There will be growing pains for sure but I think it will pay off late in the year and moving forward as a team. Patrick is just too limited. Newman has upside.
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 06 Sep 2021 13:44
Yea the saints d was strong last year but let's not forget they lost some keys pieces. Hendrickson is light years better then that bum Davenport (packers really stuck that 1 to the saints 
) they have a hole at CB and the interior is ok. Ilbers and safeties are strong.
Green Bay beats up Winston and finds ways to score. 30-16
) they have a hole at CB and the interior is ok. Ilbers and safeties are strong. Green Bay beats up Winston and finds ways to score. 30-16
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 06 Sep 2021 13:49
Good news on Z. I think he plays on a snap count. Never know though with the leagues most conservative medical staff.Za'Darius Smith (55) is indeed back at practice doing some group work. Matt LaFleur said he's "hopeful" the OLB's back issues are cleared up in time for Sunday's opener vs. the Saints. DT Tyler Lancaster (elbow) also has returned. S Vernon Scott (hamstring) is the only non-participant in this light practice.
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 06 Sep 2021 15:00
No significance at all. It is simply that he has played mostly at RG in the preseason. Why would the Packers give him 3 games of experience in the preseason at RG and then move him to LG for the season starter. He is a rookie after all, why needlessly complicate his life?
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 06 Sep 2021 16:38
I agree, just my opinion but I think the LG has to be more athletic to take on combo rushers, the L is the weak side more often then not so he and the LT have to protect blind side rushers for a right handed QB.Labrev wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021 13:39My gut says that coach goes with the experienced vet over the sophomore player at LG, especially given two first-year players starting the other two interior OL spots. So Patrick over JRJ, even though I feel like Patrick is not as good an LG than RG for some reason, whereas LG seems to be Runyan's best position.
I feel like the LG tends to go up against more athletic DTs and therefore calls for a somewhat more athletic IOL than Patrick, although he does more-or-less get the job done there. Still, Runyan next to Myers and Newman would be a lot of inexperience along the interior, and I doubt MLF would be comfortable with that.
I think from L to R it will be Jenkins, Newman, Myers, Patrick, and Turner, but I'am guessing just like everyone else.
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 06 Sep 2021 16:46
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 06 Sep 2021 20:03
It's his back. I hope they stay as conservative as hell.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021 13:49Good news on Z. I think he plays on a snap count. Never know though with the leagues most conservative medical staff.Za'Darius Smith (55) is indeed back at practice doing some group work. Matt LaFleur said he's "hopeful" the OLB's back issues are cleared up in time for Sunday's opener vs. the Saints. DT Tyler Lancaster (elbow) also has returned. S Vernon Scott (hamstring) is the only non-participant in this light practice.
Honestly for the same reasons you mentioned about staying with Newman at RG. Sure there may be growing pains, but it will be better long term to make sure Z is healthy and also give the opportunity to Rashan and Preston to ball out right away.
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 07 Sep 2021 09:13
I would agree with NCF's assessment, at least for Cobb. I personally think that AR would like nothing more than to welcome RC back with a TD.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑05 Sep 2021 13:28A lot of unlikely scores.
I would say Adams x2, Tonyan, and Jones.
I'd also like to see Jaire take a pick-sick, or at least a TD by the D.
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 07 Sep 2021 10:45
Im really interested to see how coach divides up the RB duties. I would really like to see Jones and Dillon on the field at the same time. We have 3 VERY capable backs, when they are all healthy, they really all "deserve" carries. Yet Jones got paid to be the lead dog, and Dillon sits as a 2nd round draft pick in his second year. Which is very high for a RB and would typically also justify getting tons of carries.
Im interested to see if Jones and Dillon do what Jones and Jamaal did where basically they rotate series with Jones getting majority of the series, or if its a true 50/50 split based on series, or if they are running on and off the field throughout the series rotating play by play. I feel play by play would be the hardest for defenses to adjust to, just based on their differences of style...but we did not see this much last year with Jones and Jamaal.
I also hope to see them both on the field at the same time, and I think Hill can help the offense too.
Not a bad problem to have as long as everyone keeps a positive, team first attitude, but we have a CROWD back there.
Im interested to see if Jones and Dillon do what Jones and Jamaal did where basically they rotate series with Jones getting majority of the series, or if its a true 50/50 split based on series, or if they are running on and off the field throughout the series rotating play by play. I feel play by play would be the hardest for defenses to adjust to, just based on their differences of style...but we did not see this much last year with Jones and Jamaal.
I also hope to see them both on the field at the same time, and I think Hill can help the offense too.
Not a bad problem to have as long as everyone keeps a positive, team first attitude, but we have a CROWD back there.
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 07 Sep 2021 10:48
Not sure how often we'll see them together. But I fully expect Dillon to be used at least as much as Jamaal was. It keeps both guys fresh and allows you to ride the hot hand that game. Hill will be used sparingly early unless there is an injury. But I expect he'll get his chances as well.Drj820 wrote: ↑07 Sep 2021 10:45Im really interested to see how coach divides up the RB duties. I would really like to see Jones and Dillon on the field at the same time. We have 3 VERY capable backs, when they are all healthy, they really all "deserve" carries. Yet Jones got paid to be the lead dog, and Dillon sits as a 2nd round draft pick in his second year. Which is very high for a RB and would typically also justify getting tons of carries.
Im interested to see if Jones and Dillon do what Jones and Jamaal did where basically they rotate series with Jones getting majority of the series, or if its a true 50/50 split based on series, or if they are running on and off the field throughout the series rotating play by play. I feel play by play would be the hardest for defenses to adjust to, just based on their differences of style...but we did not see this much last year with Jones and Jamaal.
I also hope to see them both on the field at the same time, and I think Hill can help the offense too.
Not a bad problem to have as long as everyone keeps a positive, team first attitude, but we have a CROWD back there.
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 07 Sep 2021 10:52
Yeah I agree even tho Hill is talented, his carries will be tough to come by if everyone is healthy. That said, Dillon is a second round pick in year 2...I would be shocked if he was content to carry the ball as little as Jamaal did. Then, that of course cuts into Jones production...but maybe he wont care because he seems to be such a team guy and is already paid. I just think Dillon will be owed a lot more carries than we gave Jamaal. In my opinion, the dynamic will be interesting to watch play out. Lots of resources put into that position and guys need their carries to get rolling.paco wrote: ↑07 Sep 2021 10:48Not sure how often we'll see them together. But I fully expect Dillon to be used at least as much as Jamaal was. It keeps both guys fresh and allows you to ride the hot hand that game. Hill will be used sparingly early unless there is an injury. But I expect he'll get his chances as well.Drj820 wrote: ↑07 Sep 2021 10:45Im really interested to see how coach divides up the RB duties. I would really like to see Jones and Dillon on the field at the same time. We have 3 VERY capable backs, when they are all healthy, they really all "deserve" carries. Yet Jones got paid to be the lead dog, and Dillon sits as a 2nd round draft pick in his second year. Which is very high for a RB and would typically also justify getting tons of carries.
Im interested to see if Jones and Dillon do what Jones and Jamaal did where basically they rotate series with Jones getting majority of the series, or if its a true 50/50 split based on series, or if they are running on and off the field throughout the series rotating play by play. I feel play by play would be the hardest for defenses to adjust to, just based on their differences of style...but we did not see this much last year with Jones and Jamaal.
I also hope to see them both on the field at the same time, and I think Hill can help the offense too.
Not a bad problem to have as long as everyone keeps a positive, team first attitude, but we have a CROWD back there.
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 07 Sep 2021 11:22
I'm sure Dillon would love to be the lead back. But the truth is they gave Jones a bunch of money and he's #1. I think Dillon is ok with that. Jamaal averaged 125 carries over his 4 years here. I think AJ will be ok with that especially after only 46 last year.Drj820 wrote: ↑07 Sep 2021 10:52Yeah I agree even tho Hill is talented, his carries will be tough to come by if everyone is healthy. That said, Dillon is a second round pick in year 2...I would be shocked if he was content to carry the ball as little as Jamaal did. Then, that of course cuts into Jones production...but maybe he wont care because he seems to be such a team guy and is already paid. I just think Dillon will be owed a lot more carries than we gave Jamaal. In my opinion, the dynamic will be interesting to watch play out. Lots of resources put into that position and guys need their carries to get rolling.paco wrote: ↑07 Sep 2021 10:48Not sure how often we'll see them together. But I fully expect Dillon to be used at least as much as Jamaal was. It keeps both guys fresh and allows you to ride the hot hand that game. Hill will be used sparingly early unless there is an injury. But I expect he'll get his chances as well.Drj820 wrote: ↑07 Sep 2021 10:45Im really interested to see how coach divides up the RB duties. I would really like to see Jones and Dillon on the field at the same time. We have 3 VERY capable backs, when they are all healthy, they really all "deserve" carries. Yet Jones got paid to be the lead dog, and Dillon sits as a 2nd round draft pick in his second year. Which is very high for a RB and would typically also justify getting tons of carries.
Im interested to see if Jones and Dillon do what Jones and Jamaal did where basically they rotate series with Jones getting majority of the series, or if its a true 50/50 split based on series, or if they are running on and off the field throughout the series rotating play by play. I feel play by play would be the hardest for defenses to adjust to, just based on their differences of style...but we did not see this much last year with Jones and Jamaal.
I also hope to see them both on the field at the same time, and I think Hill can help the offense too.
Not a bad problem to have as long as everyone keeps a positive, team first attitude, but we have a CROWD back there.
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 07 Sep 2021 12:08
I really dont think the money matters when it comes to carries. Yes jones is getting the bulk but ML is smart and will try to keep them fresh over a long season. The goal is a title
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 07 Sep 2021 12:14
Yeah this whole conversation about carries based on how much we've invested in whom is dumb. Flat dumb. Not an ounce of thought will go into the financial investment in Jones or the draft investment of Dillon when divvying carries. Not a single millisecond of time will be devoted to such thoughts in the game planning. Quite honestly the dumbest rationale for any talk of ball distribution I could imagine.
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 07 Sep 2021 12:20
BTW, the Packers have 3 RBs which cost $6.3 million against the cap, good for 16th in RB spending this year and just below the average of $6.9 million, according to spotrac.
We have spent a 2nd, 5th, and 7th round pick on those three players.
The notion that we have "a lot invested" at RB is a very strange one.
We have spent a 2nd, 5th, and 7th round pick on those three players.
The notion that we have "a lot invested" at RB is a very strange one.
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 07 Sep 2021 12:27
We have a guy on a second contract (rare for the position, for the Packers), and a 2nd round pick (high for the position, when you have another guy on a second contract). Its not that strange.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑07 Sep 2021 12:20BTW, the Packers have 3 RBs which cost $6.3 million against the cap, good for 16th in RB spending this year and just below the average of $6.9 million, according to spotrac.
We have spent a 2nd, 5th, and 7th round pick on those three players.
The notion that we have "a lot invested" at RB is a very strange one.
Anyways, I will be interested to see how the carries are divvied up. Both or all three deserve the ball, yet only one ball.
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 07 Sep 2021 12:37
What I'm saying is that none of those things are rare. I have no idea what you guys are talking about. RBs get taken in rounds 1 or 2 routinely. RBs sign second contracts routinely. The Packers have kept a perfectly reasonable amount of RBs on second contracts.Drj820 wrote: ↑07 Sep 2021 12:27We have a guy on a second contract (rare for the position, for the Packers), and a 2nd round pick (high for the position, when you have another guy on a second contract). Its not that strange.
Anyways, I will be interested to see how the carries are divvied up. Both or all three deserve the ball, yet only one ball.
Spending below the league average in price while also a 2nd round pick and two late day 3 picks on a position is not a lot of resources. It is actually fewer resources than most teams, both in dollars and in draft capital.
The argument that we have invested a lot at RB is dumb. We have not. We've invested a middling amount and gotten great results.
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 07 Sep 2021 12:40
Sean Payton loves to throw the ball but I wonder if he gets smart here and plays a Vikings strat against us. Just run the ball every play, get to 4th and short and do it again. Low passing attempts that are short and safe. I mean the Viking stole that one right out of the previous years 49ers championship game.