Packers Huddle

NCF wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2023 14:19

I got the impression that they wanted to play a bunch of zone but the secondary couldn't communicate well enough to know who was covering where. You're right, that responsibility goes up to Barry and even LaFleur, but I tend to think Gray is most responsible for that specific deficiency.

From comments I've read - zone coverage requires players who all see things similarly and have the green light to play their assignment to what they are seeing. Opponents use motions/shifts etc. to mess all that up... and were too successful, too often. I believe this was the source of some angst between Barry, Gray and the DBs.

We also know there were some behind the scenes issues with Savage - he's typically the guy charged with getting the DBs aligned.
Benching a starter is a significant move, glad to see Savage responded well. But he likely contributed to the problems as much as the coaches

Packers secondary as ranked # 14 in opponent passer rating at 88 ( 86.2 in 2021)
Packers secondary was ranked # 10 in passing TDs allowed with 1.3/ gm ( 1.7 in 2021 )

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/o ... s-per-game

NCF wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2023 14:19

I think Gray is a good coach and his players obviously liked him, but I just think the fit with him and Barry wasn't ideal and I think Barry getting his own guy can help improve things. We'll see.

well said

Gray has coached for 8 different NFL teams ( including as a DC) and alongside some very talented defensive minds. He's seen it all.
But Zimmer got tired of Gray for some reason and apparently there are philosophical issues with Barry in GB. If MLF is going to die on Joe Barry Hill, then it makes sense to get Joe a DB coach who shares his defensive outlook.

This is a HUGE hire for MLF and Barry - and I really think they need to look outside the org and outside their buddy list on this one

BSA wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2023 16:19

NCF wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2023 14:19

I think Gray is a good coach and his players obviously liked him, but I just think the fit with him and Barry wasn't ideal and I think Barry getting his own guy can help improve things. We'll see.

well said

Gray has coached for 8 different NFL teams ( including as a DC) and alongside some very talented defensive minds. He's seen it all.
But Zimmer got tired of Gray for some reason and apparently there are philosophical issues with Barry in GB. If MLF is going to die on Joe Barry Hill, then it makes sense to get Joe a DB coach who shares his defensive outlook.

This is a HUGE hire for MLF and Barry - and I really think they need to look outside the org and outside their buddy list on this one

Don't count on it. MLF only hires his friends, that is how Barry got the job in the first place.

wallyuwl wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2023 16:37

BSA wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2023 16:19

NCF wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2023 14:19

I think Gray is a good coach and his players obviously liked him, but I just think the fit with him and Barry wasn't ideal and I think Barry getting his own guy can help improve things. We'll see.

well said

Gray has coached for 8 different NFL teams ( including as a DC) and alongside some very talented defensive minds. He's seen it all.
But Zimmer got tired of Gray for some reason and apparently there are philosophical issues with Barry in GB. If MLF is going to die on Joe Barry Hill, then it makes sense to get Joe a DB coach who shares his defensive outlook.

This is a HUGE hire for MLF and Barry - and I really think they need to look outside the org and outside their buddy list on this one

Don't count on it. MLF only hires his friends, that is how Barry got the job in the first place.

Pretty sure that Detroit’s defensive resurgence, such as it was, coincided with Pleasant’s mid season firing.

Hiring Pleasant to replace Gray would be both underwhelming and unsurprising.

this caught my eye as I was googling for quality and available defensive coaches to fill the void of the departed Johnny Gray position

How do you defend five eligible receivers and the 57,600 square feet of grass they can run through on a football field? You can try to run with each receiver, you can cover areas of the field, or you use a combination of the techniques. Coverages could be the most complex part of the game because there are so many ways to do it. To simplify things, we can bucket coverages into four categories: man, zone, zone match, or man match. Each type of coverage has its strengths and weaknesses and requires different skills from the players running them.

Explaining the four coverage categories: Man, zone, zone match and man match

https://theathletic.com/2275485/2020/12 ... -man-zone/

we have to much talent with our secondary players to not be top 10, what ever the reason we weren't last year needs to get fixed

LombardiTime wrote: ↑

03 Feb 2023 08:17

Pretty sure that Detroit’s defensive resurgence, such as it was, coincided with Pleasant’s mid season firing.

Hiring Pleasant to replace Gray would be both underwhelming and unsurprising.

It helped playing the Packers twice.

Interesting article from Ty Dunne and Steve Calhoun - Jordan Love's personal QB coach ( from August 2022)

https://www.golongtd.com/p/he-can-be-on ... ingIn=true

"He can be one of the top quarterbacks in the NFL":
A chat with the man who knows Jordan Love best

I guess now he’s on Aaron’s time, Green Bay’s time. It seems like you’re tight with the Packers. What’s that relationship like? What’s their belief in Jordan right now?

Calhoun: I don’t have that, “Hey, I’m going to call up Coach LaFleur.” I ran into him at the Combine and said, “Hey, I’m Coach Steve Calhoun.” He said, “OK, it’s good to put the face with the name. I know Jordan works with you in the offseason.” I just asked if there’s anything he sees in practice he wants to address in the offseason, let me know and I’ll send you film of his workouts and you can critique it. We’re all on the same page. We’re all in the boat rowing the same direction. We all want success, not only for Jordan but for the organization.

Aaron Jones is like my nephew. Him and my son are best friends because they played together in college — Aaron and Alvin call me “Uncle Steve” because I was tight with their Dad. And then Rob Tonyan, I’ve known him since college when he was a quarterback at Indiana State. So I’ve been training him since then, even since he came out with Detroit. I know Tyler Davis, the other tight end. I trained him when he came out of college.
I’ll talk to Jordan and then I’ll call Aaron, I’ll call Rob, I’ll call Tyler: “What else are you guys seeing?” They all have different perspectives on how Jordan’s doing.'
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12 years ago today.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

06 Feb 2023 12:51

12 years ago today.

That World Championship was brought to us in large part by 3 incredible football guys...
who 12 years later are hated on by a substantial segment of the fan base

Aaron Rodgers
Mike McCarthy
Dom Capers

BSA wrote: ↑

06 Feb 2023 13:03

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

06 Feb 2023 12:51

12 years ago today.

That World Championship was brought to us in large part by 3 incredible football guys...
who 12 years later are hated on by a substantial segment of the fan base

Aaron Rodgers
Mike McCarthy
Dom Capers

I guess you could boil it down that way, if you want, but I think these guys had a lot to do with it as well:

Speaking only for myself, I never hated Capers. His bad defenses correlated with abysmal talent, failure to replace huge losses like Woodson, Collins, and Shields. I was a TT fan generally but I think the poor defenses were largely on him.

Once the talent was back up to par, Dom's defenses were fine: not great, but good enough to win with, which is all you can really ask when you run your team through an Elite QB and top offense. We were right to move on when we did, but he was not a problem, much less 'the' problem.

I am probably the only Packer fan in the world with that opinion, yet I will 100% die on that hill.

I still think Mac is mediocre but now that it's not coming at my team's expense, he's no longer the source of ire for me, in fact I find it kind of endearing now. I similarly won't get worked up over Rodgers when he chokes another team's season away, not my problem. My hate for Mac then and Rodgers now was/is purely strategic, not emotional.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

06 Feb 2023 13:12

I guess you could boil it down that way, if you want, but I think these guys had a lot to do with it as well

And perhaps most importantly...

NCF wrote: ↑

06 Feb 2023 13:20

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

06 Feb 2023 13:12

I guess you could boil it down that way, if you want, but I think these guys had a lot to do with it as well

And perhaps most importantly...

That was one NFLN about 2-3 Fridays ago. It was an amazing comeback.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

06 Feb 2023 13:12

BSA wrote: ↑

06 Feb 2023 13:03

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

06 Feb 2023 12:51

12 years ago today.

That World Championship was brought to us in large part by 3 incredible football guys...
who 12 years later are hated on by a substantial segment of the fan base

Aaron Rodgers
Mike McCarthy
Dom Capers

I guess you could boil it down that way, if you want, but I think these guys had a lot to do with it as well:

Yup. That Super Bowl was also Jordy’s coming out.

Labrev wrote: ↑

06 Feb 2023 13:19

Speaking only for myself, I never hated Capers. His bad defenses correlated with abysmal talent, failure to replace huge losses like Woodson, Collins, and Shields. I was a TT fan generally but I think the poor defenses were largely on him.

Once the talent was back up to par, Dom's defenses were fine: not great, but good enough to win with, which is all you can really ask when you run your team through an Elite QB and top offense. We were right to move on when we did, but he was not a problem, much less 'the' problem.

I am probably the only Packer fan in the world with that opinion, yet I will 100% die on that hill.

I still think Mac is mediocre but now that it's not coming at my team's expense, he's no longer the source of ire for me, in fact I find it kind of endearing now. I similarly won't get worked up over Rodgers when he chokes another team's season away, not my problem. My hate for Mac then and Rodgers now was/is purely strategic, not emotional.

finally a top 15 finish in 2015, but that defense, along with decent offense couldn't over come the $%&# affect, or the lack of run blocking.

agree, the problem wasn't Capers, we still lacked at safety and lber, and we where seeing the decline of the WR position, from great, to mediocre.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

06 Feb 2023 13:12

I guess you could boil it down that way, if you want, but I think these guys had a lot to do with it as well:

You are correct - and it was lame of me to crap on a positive post celebrating a great moment in Packer history
My apologies to you and the board.