YoHoChecko wrote: ↑30 May 2020 09:09
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑29 May 2020 22:09
Wait... Are we talking about top speed or acceleration.. I am lost at what team speed means. Are we talking about true top speed or COD? It is all getting muddled.
you will DEFINITELY see that we have less suddenness and top-end speed than most other teams.
Will we? Those are 2 very different things and a very bold statement that I would love to see proof of.
The reason I brought up suddenness is because top end speed doesn't matter that much if you need a 20-yard runway to get there; just very few plays when it would apply. And when i said SEE I meant SEE, so proof is rough to come by.
But let's see what I can do with what I have.
NextGen stats tallies the top 20 fastest ballcarriers each week.
The Packers had 12 appearances on that list; right off the bat, that's 12/340 = 3.5%, which is about what you'd expect as 1/32 is 3.1%... so we're starting off average speed. 3 of those, though, are from kickoff returns, so that's 9 on offense.
Of the nine on offense, 5 were Aaron Jones. One was Danny Vitale. So we're down to 3 appearances on that list by our WRs. One for Adams, One for Kumerow, One for MVS. When you consider that Kumerow and MVS are not top 3 WRs, you can start to understand that we don't have guys at the receiver position who are making an impact in terms of speed very often.
But we need context. I said the Packers had 12 players appear, with 9 appearances on offense.
The 49ers had 22 players appear, all on offensive plays (unless I missed one or two). The Chiefs had 17 appearances, all on offense. The Ravens had 13 players appear, 12 on offense.
I just picked some teams that I think of as having good team speed and tallied one by one; there wasn't a sortable list for me to look at the full league.
So when we say that we need more explosive playmakers on the offense...
- 1) we're well aware that we have ONE, and his name is Aaron Jones.
- 2) We're well aware that Davante Adams is a great WR, but point out that he's not a burner--one appearance on this list aside.
And finally 3) We're saying that what we lack are WRs who can get on the field and contribute who add those speedy explosive elements to the team.[/list]
Now, if MVS has a big bounce-back year? Check. I don't think anyone is going to confuse Kumerow for Usain Bolt out there, but he did tally a notch on the list for us. If Tyler Ervin becomes a regular part of the offense and adds more explosion (he had 2 KO returns on the list), that helps, too.
But it is verifiably true that the Packers WR group lacks speed. Three times they showed up on this list with one apiece by guys likely to receive very limited playing time.
Another thing to look at is to see which teams have players appearing multiple times on the list.
-Aaron Jones appeared 5 times and Tyler Ervin twice for KO returns.
-The 49ers saw multiple appearances from Deebo Samuel, Raheem Mostert, Matt Brieda, and Richie James (all offense)
-The Chiefs saw multiple appearances from Tyreek Hill, Mecole Hardman, and Damien Williams (all offense)
-The Ravens saw multiple appearances from Lamar Jackson and Marquise Brown (all offense)
Unfortunately, I didn't look at the names for the other teams as carefully as I did for the Packers, where I actually recorded them. So that's off of memory; there could be more than I'm missing.
I so hate that you're pushing for this evidence, 23, because it's just so absolutely obvious and apparent. It's like trying to explain gravity. LOOK AROUND YOU; Things are falling; I shouldn't have to explain this. You're placing the burden of proof on those claiming the obvious thing knowing full well that there is incredibly limited data readily avauilable.
Hopefully someone with full access to NFL Next Gen stats will publish an "average speed of the WRs on each team" article with rankings, which has been done before.