Re: Packers Defense - 2024
Posted: 30 Sep 2024 12:16
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Did not mean to upset you, mod.APB wrote: ↑30 Sep 2024 12:01Pretty sure everybody on this forum saw this train wreck coming, Nostradamus. The only difference being many here held some level of hope or optimism for Narveson to do well and to allow this struggle to actually play out before calling it an abject failure. That, as opposed to, you know, declaring it a failure before a single kick was ever attempted.
What's the solution? I have run out of ideas.Drj820 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2024 12:17Did not mean to upset you, mod.APB wrote: ↑30 Sep 2024 12:01Pretty sure everybody on this forum saw this train wreck coming, Nostradamus. The only difference being many here held some level of hope or optimism for Narveson to do well and to allow this struggle to actually play out before calling it an abject failure. That, as opposed to, you know, declaring it a failure before a single kick was ever attempted.
But I was not just speaking on this year. I was speaking on the past few years. From zook, to drake, to no kicker on the roster now…it’s cost us before and it is still costing us.
I would say the second best player on the defense has been Javon Bullard. It's still a case-by-case study as far as I am concerned. Where are the trends?LombardiTime wrote: ↑29 Sep 2024 19:10By any objective measure, the BEST defensive player on the Green Bay Packers through 4 games is Xavier McKinney.
I don't think it is any coincidence McKinney was NOT DRAFTED by nor COACHED BY the Green Bay Packers prior to the 2024 seasons.
We just have no clue how to draft, develop, scheme, coach up, whatever you want to call it, defensive players.
Gary, Wyatt, LVN, Clark, Walker, Stokes all first round picks, compared to Minnesota's group and we were outclassed. Again.
This is not just on Hafley or Dom or Barry at this point. The ORGANIZATION has failed and continues to fail.
scouting dept seems solid in many areas. Seems awful when choosing specialist, whether thats snapper, kicker, or even punter (before whelen). Might need to hire an expert whose only job is to focus on acquiring players who are not awful at these positions.NCF wrote: ↑30 Sep 2024 13:05What's the solution? I have run out of ideas.Drj820 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2024 12:17Did not mean to upset you, mod.APB wrote: ↑30 Sep 2024 12:01
Pretty sure everybody on this forum saw this train wreck coming, Nostradamus. The only difference being many here held some level of hope or optimism for Narveson to do well and to allow this struggle to actually play out before calling it an abject failure. That, as opposed to, you know, declaring it a failure before a single kick was ever attempted.
But I was not just speaking on this year. I was speaking on the past few years. From zook, to drake, to no kicker on the roster now…it’s cost us before and it is still costing us.
I agree that Bullard has looked pretty good. I also have a probably irrational fear he will evolve into just another mediocre Packer defensive player and hope he sticks close to McKinney for guidance on how to play the game.NCF wrote: ↑30 Sep 2024 13:12I would say the second best player on the defense has been Javon Bullard.LombardiTime wrote: ↑29 Sep 2024 19:10By any objective measure, the BEST defensive player on the Green Bay Packers through 4 games is Xavier McKinney.
I don't think it is any coincidence McKinney was NOT DRAFTED by nor COACHED BY the Green Bay Packers prior to the 2024 seasons.
We just have no clue how to draft, develop, scheme, coach up, whatever you want to call it, defensive players.
Gary, Wyatt, LVN, Clark, Walker, Stokes all first round picks, compared to Minnesota's group and we were outclassed. Again.
This is not just on Hafley or Dom or Barry at this point. The ORGANIZATION has failed and continues to fail.
I am not chalking this all up to bad luck, but there is some of that here. Similar to the ST woes, what is the solution? It's kind of like the Bears on offense. So what do we do?
heavier then they play, wimpy hands, stood up, contained far to often, that is what I see.
Not what I was addressing. Was addressing this false narrative:
Our DL is not undersized and thus already at a disadvantage.we have a nascar DL, when 280+ go against 310 lb + OL one on one there already at a disadvantage,
Andy Herman made a good point, youth, we again are the youngest team in the league, and we can't play man coverage every snap, and zone requires more experience, add that our 2 best CB's didn't play, so we should expect what we saw yesterday, or some of it anyway.LombardiTime wrote: ↑30 Sep 2024 13:52Would love to hear from others with thoughts about the never-ending defensive struggles
they play like one, probably why I thought they were lighter, and because they can't shed a block, there at a disadvantage, they got schooled yesterday, and have been before, unless they bring a 5th rusher.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2024 15:02Not what I was addressing. Was addressing this false narrative:Our DL is not undersized and thus already at a disadvantage.we have a nascar DL, when 280+ go against 310 lb + OL one on one there already at a disadvantage,
lighter of course, whatever, the issue is there not shedding blocks, so it's not just a size issue.
It's not a size issue at all.Yoop wrote: ↑30 Sep 2024 15:27lighter of course, whatever, the issue is there not shedding blocks, so it's not just a size issue.
t's a name the Giants used under Steve Spagnoulo for when they would put four defensive ends on the field instead of the usual 2 DEs 2 DTs to get a better pass rush.Nov 9, 2018
In football, a NASCAR defensive front is a defensive line that consists of speed rushers, such as defensive ends and linebackers. Steve Spagnuolo often used this front in pass situations with players like Michael Strahan, Justin Tuck, and Osi Umenyiora.
Being a Mod has got nothing to do with it nor am I upset about anything. Just didn’t see why you’d post an “I-told-you-so” message when it has been a blatantly obvious team issue for some time.Drj820 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2024 12:17Did not mean to upset you, mod.APB wrote: ↑30 Sep 2024 12:01Pretty sure everybody on this forum saw this train wreck coming, Nostradamus. The only difference being many here held some level of hope or optimism for Narveson to do well and to allow this struggle to actually play out before calling it an abject failure. That, as opposed to, you know, declaring it a failure before a single kick was ever attempted.
But I was not just speaking on this year. I was speaking on the past few years. From zook, to drake, to no kicker on the roster now…it’s cost us before and it is still costing us.
I don't think I would ever consider Nixon as "good" in this league. He was a good returner in 2022 who also happened to be serviceable in nickle.APB wrote: ↑30 Sep 2024 18:25This isn’t good but I also place a significant part of the blame on pass rush. A capable QB will pick any secondary apart if there’s no pressure.
Also, Keisean Nixon is regressing, not improving. He’s good for an occasional splash play but he gets beat way too often. He plays with his eyes in the backfield far too much.
There’d be a lot of support for that player alignment on this forum, I suspect.go pak go wrote:I am all for getting Bullard and Williams on the field more on 1st and 2nd down and then having Alexander play the slot on 3rd and obvious passing situations.