This is, at least, something to help me understand why you have this need to continue hammering this that doesn't ignore reality. These guys are not that hard to find, though. The fact that we didn't even really have a developmental guy on the PS that fits the bill makes me wonder why. Although, maybe with a guy dedicated to that role, it does allow more flexibility elsewhere. I just don't know how you can keep Adams out of that spot based on his production last year.
Re: Aaron Rodgers thread 3000
Posted: 04 Jun 2021 13:19
by NCF
[mention]Yoop[/mention], maybe Bailey Gaither will be a guy for you to keep on eye on. A lot of positive reports so far about him.
@Yoop, maybe Bailey Gaither will be a guy for you to keep on eye on. A lot of positive reports so far about him.
Low floor and many say he's already at his ceiling, I looked him up a week or so back, he was a 6 year player at San Jose state, could only muster 9 bench reps, hopefully he becomes more then just a camp try out guy, but he has a up hill battle.
If I was building a offense for Matt Lafluers schemes, short zone twitchy's would be at the top of my list, and I've always felt this way, instead of just moving up to get JJ last year or Ayuik, I'd have taken another a round or two later, why you would think I over looked what Adams did in the slot doesn't even make sense, and Adams was only used there to give him better match ups against lesser quality CB's he is still a better outside guy then he is inside imo. but my point is this, if ya want to play dinky dunky then ya need players that excel in short are quicks, teams are loading up with hybrid lbers, guys with range and coverage speed, to combat that you need players like the JJ's or this years Amari Rodgers, and the more of em you have the better.
Re: Aaron Rodgers thread 3000
Posted: 04 Jun 2021 15:24
by go pak go
I literally don't get it.
Like we drafted the perfect WR in a good selection for us (round3) this year. Why are we talking so much about twitchy guys in Round 2 and 3 of the 2020 draft? Especially when they didn't exist?
Shenault and Hamler were the twitch guys taken in Round 2. And both were gone by the top 10 in round two. Shenault is going to be stud but he would have had to be our first round pick. Hamler had less than 400 yards.
Then you had Claypool, Mims and Van Jefferson go. All non twitchy guys that we wanted. I liked Mims but not as a "slot" guy. Then in Round 3 it was Bryan Edewards (slow) and Devin Duvernay. Both suck.
I mean is there any consideration of what you wanted and what was actually on the shelf here? Because the twitch guys you talk about were Justin Jefferson, Aiyuck, Reagor, Shenault and Hamler. Only Shenault and Hamler were available after 25. Only Shenault is likely to be good but we probably got just as good if not a better one in Amari Rodgers this year.
I just feel like you're saying "2nd or 3rd round guy" to just say 2nd or 3rd round guy. Even though there was no 2nd or 3rd round guy available in our area that would have made the Packers better.
Like we drafted the perfect WR in a good selection for us (round3) this year. Why are we talking so much about twitchy guys in Round 2 and 3 of the 2020 draft? Especially when they didn't exist?
Shenault and Hamler were the twitch guys taken in Round 2. And both were gone by the top 10 in round two. Shenault is going to be stud but he would have had to be our first round pick. Hamler had less than 400 yards.
Then you had Claypool, Mims and Van Jefferson go. All non twitchy guys that we wanted. I liked Mims but not as a "slot" guy. Then in Round 3 it was Bryan Edewards (slow) and Devin Duvernay. Both suck.
I mean is there any consideration of what you wanted and what was actually on the shelf here? Because the twitch guys you talk about were Justin Jefferson, Aiyuck, Reagor, Shenault and Hamler. Only Shenault and Hamler were available after 25. Only Shenault is likely to be good but we probably got just as good if not a better one in Amari Rodgers this year.
I just feel like you're saying "2nd or 3rd round guy" to just say 2nd or 3rd round guy. Even though there was no 2nd or 3rd round guy available in our area that would have made the Packers better.
whatever, but you don't know how any of these guys would have turned out with Lafluer and Rodgers, and your going off draft data to form your opinion, I bet Amari Rodgers wasn't even on your draft list, yet you come here to shoot down what I think would have helped this offense.
again you have no idea what Shenault will do or Hamler either for that matter, just like I had no idea that Jefferson would become one of the best rookie receivers ever, but I sure pegged him right now didn't I, I trust my judgement concerning everything I said.
forget the 2nd or third, right I just used those rounds because my intertest was doubling up, I mentioned no names, that should have clued you in to that fact.
Re: Aaron Rodgers thread 3000
Posted: 04 Jun 2021 17:11
by bud fox
When the packers have invested decent capital in wide receivers they have become pro bowlers.
2nd rounders
Jennings
Jordy
Adams
And even Cobb but to a lesser extent
All Pro bowlers with a second rounder
Maybe we can get another pro bowler we take a DK or a Higgins ... Nope
Re: Aaron Rodgers thread 3000
Posted: 04 Jun 2021 18:05
by APB
yoop wrote: again you have no idea what Shenault will do or Hamler either for that matter, just like I had no idea that Jefferson would become one of the best rookie receivers ever, but I sure pegged him right now didn't I, I trust my judgement concerning everything I said.
You sure like giving yourself kudos for being “right” about Jefferson. I don’t think there is a single poster on this forum who wasn’t high on Jefferson. The draft talking heads on television were high on Jefferson. Every draft evaluation website was high on Jefferson.
Congratulations, Nostradamus. You were “right” on Jefferson...right along with every other professional and amateur football analyst.
And since we’re into repeating ourselves... for the umpteenth time, Jefferson wasn’t available for us to draft despite the teams efforts to trade up and get him! The Packers can’t force a team to trade with them if they say no. It has been widely reported that Gutekunst DID try to move up and get him but could not get an agreement.
yoop wrote: again you have no idea what Shenault will do or Hamler either for that matter, just like I had no idea that Jefferson would become one of the best rookie receivers ever, but I sure pegged him right now didn't I, I trust my judgement concerning everything I said.
You sure like giving yourself kudos for being “right” about Jefferson. I don’t think there is a single poster on this forum who wasn’t high on Jefferson. The draft talking heads on television were high on Jefferson. Every draft evaluation website was high on Jefferson.
Congratulations, Nostradamus. You were “right” on Jefferson...right along with every other professional and amateur football analyst.
And since we’re into repeating ourselves... for the umpteenth time, Jefferson wasn’t available for us to draft despite the teams efforts to trade up and get him! The Packers can’t force a team to trade with them if they say no. It has been widely reported that Gutekunst DID try to move up and get him but could not get an agreement.
I went with jefferson as my fav early, and I was right, he was the best of that 5 receiver group, and we may have inquired with other teams to move up and get him, just because minny wouldn't do it because they wanted JJ doesn't mean someone higher wasn't willing, more so it points out that Guty wouldn't pony up what it would have taken to get the trade done, tell me, with hind sight what would u give for 1400 yrds, I think a 2nd might have got it done.
yep your beating the same ol dead horse as everyone else defending the decisions Guty made to not add WR help, and who are all these sources that support your comment that Guty tried to trade up besides the vikes who when they say we tried to trade with them justify them taking JJ, I bet thats from right after the draft, again more redundency because you come into these discussion only skimming prior convo, the only place I've heard that Guty was interested in any of these receivers was from places connected to the Packers, CH TV, JS online, or sources that spread gossip and conspiracy tid bits for click bait, your Vikings article, as I said, justify's there pick just as much as it proves anything else.
for all we know our FO could have spread this stuff to rapaport, it supports Guty have interest in a WR, it covers his butt as he drafts Love, far fetched? sure, but no more then this stuff that he couldn't trade up, if ther niners can trade up we could have too, I have no faith in Guty or this FO to be transparent.
if ya want a player then do what it takes to get that player, he had no trouble doing so for Savage, he had no trouble moving up for Love, he floated up then back down for Alexander, please spare me this he couldn't trade up for one of those receivers, Nostradamus, to funny, your as gullable as the rest of the people around here, I heard Meijers has a sale on green and gold tinted sun glasses next week, might want to grab a few pair
ya but Guty said he tried, and he's never you know blemished the truth
Gutey knows he can float that he’s “interested” or “inquiring about” or “trying” and people will see that as such an improvement from the last regime that they will be satisfied and then let him off the hook.
Re: Aaron Rodgers thread 3000
Posted: 04 Jun 2021 20:21
by lupedafiasco
Jefferson was my guy going into the draft as well but when it just wasnt possible. We would have had to jump the Vikings as they wouldnt trade with a rival. We had pick 30 worth 620 points. We would have to move to 21 which costs 800 points and it sounds like the Eagles had no interest trading anyways as they liked Raegor.
So to hypothetically coerce the Eagles it would cost us 180 points. We would have had to give up our 2nd pick as well and get some change back from the Eagles. Thats too much in the moment for a piece that we really didnt need. The Packers already had a #1 WR and they were a balanced offense. They didnt need a WR in the 1st.
That being said they didnt need a QB either and ultimately it was a waste of a pick that has caused a huge distraction. And that being said the same thing happened with Rodgers. But if Rodgers didnt work out their was gonna be some heads rolling. If Love doesnt work out at least Murphy built a nice area outside the stadium where he can view before hes hung from the gallows.
Jefferson was my guy going into the draft as well but when it just wasnt possible. We would have had to jump the Vikings as they wouldnt trade with a rival. We had pick 30 worth 620 points. We would have to move to 21 which costs 800 points and it sounds like the Eagles had no interest trading anyways as they liked Raegor.
So to hypothetically coerce the Eagles it would cost us 180 points. We would have had to give up our 2nd pick as well and get some change back from the Eagles. Thats too much in the moment for a piece that we really didnt need. The Packers already had a #1 WR and they were a balanced offense. They didnt need a WR in the 1st.
That being said they didnt need a QB either and ultimately it was a waste of a pick that has caused a huge distraction. And that being said the same thing happened with Rodgers. But if Rodgers didnt work out their was gonna be some heads rolling. If Love doesnt work out at least Murphy built a nice area outside the stadium where he can view before hes hung from the gallows.
With hindsight? Yeah, 1st and 2nd rounders for Jefferson woulda been fine. Without hindsight? There's no way anyone could've convinced me to spend two high picks on one WR, especially a projected slot WR. Over 99% of time that's terrible value. I would have been pumped had we traded down and picked Shenault to be our slot.
Anyways, final analysis of that draft depends completely on how things unfold with Love/AR (and on how the other picks do). If Love becomes another great QB for us, I will bathe in NFC North opponents fans' tears and forgive all, and won't even care if we "waste" much or all of his rookie contract to train him up. It's just SO unusual to be in range to grab a QB with rare talent at the bottom of R1. If things go the worst way, it's a fireable offense for Gutey.
BTW, imagine this forum if more posters did the yooper, and when they happened to be right about their draft darling spammed "I told you so" posts in every single thread.
BTW, imagine this forum if more posters did the yooper, and when they happened to be right about their draft darling spammed "I told you so" posts in every single thread.
your exagerating, I brought it up after the draft and when conversations started with Rodgers hold out, and Guty drafting his replacement, and saying he tried but failed to trade up for one, which I have my doubts about, I repeated my position when pushed to.
and it's no better then 50/50 that Love even becomes a average QB, yet our GM took him over a player that could have helped us more in the next 3 years to win it all, and in the process pissed our existing QB off so much he's intending to hold out ( maybe not) point is Rodgers window is closing and Guty is drafting for the future, did the same with the Gary pick, he slammed the window closed making these picks, so no I don't agree with these decisions he's made, and will never accept the idea that he couldn't have found a way to trade up and take one, and 60 years of following this team has convinced me that the FO will tell us anything they think we'll accept.
Re: Aaron Rodgers thread 3000
Posted: 05 Jun 2021 07:00
by APB
...or even when not...ad nauseum.
Re: Aaron Rodgers thread 3000
Posted: 05 Jun 2021 08:01
by Drj820
Yoops been getting dunked on a lot but I just wanted to add that I think the guys hilarious. I mean just from a forum perspective he can really keep the conversation going. A world class fishermen if you will. Yoop can say something and 3 or 4 people will be ready to argue with him and bam, we’re off to the races. I love it!
Re: Aaron Rodgers thread 3000
Posted: 05 Jun 2021 08:59
by APB
Let’s all get the convo back on topic and off individual posting habits. If you’ve got something new to add, let’s hear it.
Let’s all get the convo back on topic and off individual posting habits. If you’ve got something new to add, let’s hear it.
hey your the guy that attacked the posting habits, now you snip my post and throw in this response for us to bring new stuff, what new stuff is there to bring? it's not as though either side ( FO or Rodgers) has put out anything new, so we've been rehashing the old stuff, why that bothers you so much is mind boggling, as I said you destroy any conversation that doesn't suit you, so controlling, Rob I think you should give up being a moderator for this forum, you stymie conversation, just as you have here.
Re: Aaron Rodgers thread 3000
Posted: 05 Jun 2021 09:57
by salmar80
The reason I made this thread is so that there's a place where to dump all the repetitive AR posts that are posted in threads where they don't belong. I don't like deleting posts, but putting them in AR thread 3000 is a fine alternative.
4) Stay on Topic: common sense applies. Thorough discussion of topics, along with the exploration of various tangents related to the main topic, is highly encouraged. However, kidnapping of a topic (i.e. for the sole purpose of redirecting a thread to a personal pet topic) is prohibited. Also, if you’re posting a message pointing out that another poster is not staying on topic, then you are not on topic. Stay on topic. ( )
The reason I made this thread is so that there's a place where to dump all the repetitive AR posts that are posted in threads where they don't belong. I don't like deleting posts, but putting them in AR thread 3000 is a fine alternative.
4) Stay on Topic: common sense applies. Thorough discussion of topics, along with the exploration of various tangents related to the main topic, is highly encouraged. However, kidnapping of a topic (i.e. for the sole purpose of redirecting a thread to a personal pet topic) is prohibited. Also, if you’re posting a message pointing out that another poster is not staying on topic, then you are not on topic. Stay on topic. ( )
my response was on target to comments directed at me, you simply didn't like that I wouldn't bend to this idea that Guty had no one rated higher then LOve and couldn't trade up for a receiver, which NO ONE HERE knows to be true, and now again your accusing me of kid napping this topic, after you stuck all Rodgers talk into this thread so it wouldn't be Kid napped, the topic is Rodgers, and why he's upset, and the LOve pick is in the center of all of this, and the reason I repeat myself is due to all the back lash that I'am wrong, and I very much doubt that I'am.
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