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I think Kraft is talking more about how the opponent plays in terms of technique and physicality. Again, that should largely be something that can be figured out through watching tape.paco wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 10:35Interesting quote from Kraft. An angle I didn't think about for some reason. But that's on the coaching staff to make sure they aren't surprised by stuff in the 1st half. Watch the film. Its rare that a team comes out and throws something at you that you've never seen before. Maybe a few plays, but not a completely different defense. Is this a place where Rodgers is really missed?
That's what I would think too, but on the other hand, it's got to be a lot easier to use tape to a group of grizzled vets who've seen it all before than a bunch of kids.wallyuwl wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 11:07I think Kraft is talking more about how the opponent plays in terms of technique and physicality. Again, that should largely be something that can be figured out through watching tape.paco wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 10:35Interesting quote from Kraft. An angle I didn't think about for some reason. But that's on the coaching staff to make sure they aren't surprised by stuff in the 1st half. Watch the film. Its rare that a team comes out and throws something at you that you've never seen before. Maybe a few plays, but not a completely different defense. Is this a place where Rodgers is really missed?
sure, makes sense that Rodgers could better utilize the so called scripted plays to expose the defense, I think his ability to understand defensive looks, helps Lafleur make better decisions setting up future play designs.paco wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 10:35Interesting quote from Kraft. An angle I didn't think about for some reason. But that's on the coaching staff to make sure they aren't surprised by stuff in the 1st half. Watch the film. Its rare that a team comes out and throws something at you that you've never seen before. Maybe a few plays, but not a completely different defense. Is this a place where Rodgers is really missed?
That's another thing that makes me question MLF's ability to meet the moment.Madcity_matt wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 11:13That's what I would think too, but on the other hand, it's got to be a lot easier to use tape to a group of grizzled vets who've seen it all before than a bunch of kids.
MLF is the offensive version of Capers. The players are suffering from the paralysis of analysis because the plays and scheme are so complex. May as well send Stephen Hawking out there to play.Labrev wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 11:31That's another thing that makes me question MLF's ability to meet the moment.Madcity_matt wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 11:13That's what I would think too, but on the other hand, it's got to be a lot easier to use tape to a group of grizzled vets who've seen it all before than a bunch of kids.
Kids are coming out of college playing in very simple offensive schemes, then under LaFleur they are tasked with learning an offense that revolves around "the illusion of complexity" ... yet it seems like it is our own players who are being illuded.
It seems like vets are better suited to play for MLF than kids.
Had to laugh at this one on many different levels. I agree though and it explains alot of the struggles offensively across the board
really what is it that people find to complicated with Lafleurs offense.
It makes me sick to my stomach to see coaches try to overcomplicate this game. As a coach, it's not about you and showing how smart you are. It's about putting your players in a position to succeed.
I was thinking more about missing Rodgers in the film room. Him being able to call out what he sees and share this with the other players. No reason MLF and staff aren't doing it, but maybe Rodgers helped communicate it better (or they listen to a fellow player more than a coach).Yoop wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 11:28sure, makes sense that Rodgers could better utilize the so called scripted plays to expose the defense, I think his ability to understand defensive looks, helps Lafleur make better decisions setting up future play designs.paco wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 10:35Interesting quote from Kraft. An angle I didn't think about for some reason. But that's on the coaching staff to make sure they aren't surprised by stuff in the 1st half. Watch the film. Its rare that a team comes out and throws something at you that you've never seen before. Maybe a few plays, but not a completely different defense. Is this a place where Rodgers is really missed?
we now look like a rudderless ship because Love isn't as capable of doing this stuff, hense Lafleur has less info to make those decisions jmo.
I agree, two heads better then one so to speak.paco wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 12:20I was thinking more about missing Rodgers in the film room. Him being able to call out what he sees and share this with the other players. No reason MLF and staff aren't doing it, but maybe Rodgers helped communicate it better (or they listen to a fellow player more than a coach).Yoop wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 11:28sure, makes sense that Rodgers could better utilize the so called scripted plays to expose the defense, I think his ability to understand defensive looks, helps Lafleur make better decisions setting up future play designs.paco wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 10:35Interesting quote from Kraft. An angle I didn't think about for some reason. But that's on the coaching staff to make sure they aren't surprised by stuff in the 1st half. Watch the film. Its rare that a team comes out and throws something at you that you've never seen before. Maybe a few plays, but not a completely different defense. Is this a place where Rodgers is really missed?
we now look like a rudderless ship because Love isn't as capable of doing this stuff, hense Lafleur has less info to make those decisions jmo.
You don’t need to do anything crazy when you have good players.Papa John wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 12:18It makes me sick to my stomach to see coaches try to overcomplicate this game. As a coach, it's not about you and showing how smart you are. It's about putting your players in a position to succeed.
I will never forget the 2013 Super Bowl (Denver vs. Seattle), when the Broncos center snapped the ball over P. Manning's head on one of the first plays of the game. DEN was deep in their own territory, and Peyton was up at the line checking and audibling, pointing everywhere, etc. while the crowd was roaring. I remember thinking FFS, it's the first drive of the Super Bowl- just let your guys get settled in. Call a basic run play over the left guard's ass cheek. No wonder that center messed up- he was probably nervous as hell and overthinking. The point being that a confused player is a nervous player, and a nervous player gets his ass kicked.
On the flipside, Richard Sherman came out after the game and said that Seattle literally just played basic Cover 3 defense the whole game. It was nothing special.
Just focus on the fundamentals and let the players play. JMO.
Props for using the word "illuded"Labrev wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 11:31That's another thing that makes me question MLF's ability to meet the moment.
Kids are coming out of college playing in very simple offensive schemes, then under LaFleur they are tasked with learning an offense that revolves around "the illusion of complexity" ... yet it seems like it is our own players who are being illuded.
It seems like vets are better suited to play for MLF than kids.
ahhhh ha, so we have the illusion of complexity, yet opposing DC's go home for early supper, so it seems our illusions of complexity illude only us, to our opposition, it's a light work weekCrazylegs Starks wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 13:07Props for using the word "illuded"Labrev wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 11:31That's another thing that makes me question MLF's ability to meet the moment.
Kids are coming out of college playing in very simple offensive schemes, then under LaFleur they are tasked with learning an offense that revolves around "the illusion of complexity" ... yet it seems like it is our own players who are being illuded.
It seems like vets are better suited to play for MLF than kids.
I think it's safe to say most if not every single scheme will be far more effective with vets than kids. No money to spend on vets this year, so we've got a vet garden growing. Hopefully it yields fruit.Labrev wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 11:31That's another thing that makes me question MLF's ability to meet the moment.Madcity_matt wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 11:13That's what I would think too, but on the other hand, it's got to be a lot easier to use tape to a group of grizzled vets who've seen it all before than a bunch of kids.
Kids are coming out of college playing in very simple offensive schemes, then under LaFleur they are tasked with learning an offense that revolves around "the illusion of complexity" ... yet it seems like it is our own players who are being illuded.
It seems like vets are better suited to play for MLF than kids.
adding to that is that MLF is and has been missing key cogs to this wheel since game one and the list keeps growing, his schemes, his plans, rely heavily on guys like Jones, Watson, and most of this OL that are either injured or playing well below expectations, Watson finally healthy enough to play has yet to play up to his late run last year, Jones has been basically a no show, both incorporate a lot of MLF play designs for this season, that had to become a closed chapter these last 4 games, not as though we have a bunch of players to build a offense around, losing those two has imo been a real set back, add everything up, and the likes of Dillon, Reed, Doubs, and Musgrave are not enough to over come the loss of Jones, and also a more healthy and ready to play long ago WATSON, his size and speed require two defenders to cover, that would help more open the under neath stuff, as is we can't sustain the run to do it, and defenders have 8 in the box to deal with both the run and the quick hitters.Madcity_matt wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 13:37I think it's safe to say most if not every single scheme will be far more effective with vets than kids. No money to spend on vets this year, so we've got a vet garden growing. Hopefully it yields fruit.Labrev wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 11:31That's another thing that makes me question MLF's ability to meet the moment.Madcity_matt wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 11:13
That's what I would think too, but on the other hand, it's got to be a lot easier to use tape to a group of grizzled vets who've seen it all before than a bunch of kids.
Kids are coming out of college playing in very simple offensive schemes, then under LaFleur they are tasked with learning an offense that revolves around "the illusion of complexity" ... yet it seems like it is our own players who are being illuded.
It seems like vets are better suited to play for MLF than kids.