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Re: Official 2020 Draft Thread - Day 3 - NO SPOILERS!!!
Posted: 25 Apr 2020 15:19
by go pak go
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:18
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:17
TheGreenMan wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:13
Thought the same thing. Guy is too slow for coverage. Don't look like he can turn very well.
He is too slow for coverage?
I think people read the NFL.com write-up and are taking that as the end all be all...
We can't really know. He wasn't a combine invite and there isn't a ton of scout report on him.
Re: Official 2020 Draft Thread - Day 3 - NO SPOILERS!!!
Posted: 25 Apr 2020 15:19
by paco
I picked him in the contest, but in round 7. YoHo got the right round, but wrong selection.
Re: Official 2020 Draft Thread - Day 3 - NO SPOILERS!!!
Posted: 25 Apr 2020 15:20
by Pckfn23
TheGreenMan wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:18
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:17
TheGreenMan wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:13
Thought the same thing. Guy is too slow for coverage. Don't look like he can turn very well.
He is too slow for coverage?
Between the ears. Or at least that's everything I'm reading.
Everything? You mean just NFL.com?
Re: Official 2020 Draft Thread - Day 3 - NO SPOILERS!!!
Posted: 25 Apr 2020 15:20
by YoHoChecko
Waldo wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:15
Lets not forget the supplemental draft which figures to be absolutely massive.
The NCAA is going to be far, far more conservative than the NFL when it comes to playing games. While the NFL can certainly go to fan-less TV only, the NCAA is far less likely to do so. If it isn't certain the season is going to happen mostly normal by the time the supplemental deadline hits, there is going to be a massive surge of players declaring for it, and a decent % of the 2021 draft is going to happen in the 2020 supplemental draft.
I'll believe that when I see it. I'm certainly not going to COUNT on us using next year's picks to address a need in an unconventional manner that MAY be forced into action by the virus and may not.
I like the players we have drafted for the most part. But failing to add a dynamic pass catcher this offseason is a major and legitimate failure. It's one piece that could be sprinkled in and make a huge difference from day one. It's not THE ONLY PIECE we needed. But it is a key need that was readily available. Other teams manipulated the draft board to meet value and need and we weren't able to. It's a massive missed opportunity.
And now that that opportunity has closed, it's weighing on me. I had hope right up through the Texans taking Coulter, the Bears trading up to swipe Mooney 2 picks before us, our pick of a run-only LB two picks before the Jets took a more athletic LB, and another couple picks before DPJ went off the board. The opportunity is over. And I am deflated and I think that's totally fair.
But HEY! We got my OL!
Re: Official 2020 Draft Thread - Day 3 - NO SPOILERS!!!
Posted: 25 Apr 2020 15:20
by Pckfn23
go pak go wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:19
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:18
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:17
He is too slow for coverage?
I think people read the NFL.com write-up and are taking that as the end all be all...
We can't really know. He wasn't a combine invite and there isn't a ton of scout report on him.
EXACTLY! Let's slow our role here a bit. Go watch some real film on him and come back later with a real report.
Re: Official 2020 Draft Thread - Day 3 - NO SPOILERS!!!
Posted: 25 Apr 2020 15:22
by NCF
YoHoChecko wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:20
Other teams manipulated the draft board to meet value and need and we weren't able to. It's a massive missed opportunity.
Its something Gutey specifically said he was looking forward to doing. Either the opportunities didn't align or he absolutely got gun shy after Round 1.
Re: Official 2020 Draft Thread - Day 3 - NO SPOILERS!!!
Posted: 25 Apr 2020 15:22
by TheGreenMan
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:20
TheGreenMan wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:18
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:17
He is too slow for coverage?
Between the ears. Or at least that's everything I'm reading.
Everything? You mean just NFL.com?
NFL, Forbes, Bleacher Report, SBNation
Re: Official 2020 Draft Thread - Day 3 - NO SPOILERS!!!
Posted: 25 Apr 2020 15:24
by TheGreenMan
NCF wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:22
YoHoChecko wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:20
Other teams manipulated the draft board to meet value and need and we weren't able to. It's a massive missed opportunity.
Its something Gutey specifically said he was looking forward to doing. Either the opportunities didn't align or he absolutely got gun shy after Round 1.
A lot more different this year that's for sure.
Re: Official 2020 Draft Thread - Day 3 - NO SPOILERS!!!
Posted: 25 Apr 2020 15:25
by YoHoChecko
NCF wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:22
YoHoChecko wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:20
Other teams manipulated the draft board to meet value and need and we weren't able to. It's a massive missed opportunity.
Its something Gutey specifically said he was looking forward to doing. Either the opportunities didn't align or he absolutely got gun shy after Round 1.
Yeah, the value aspect of this draft really has me down, and I don't even mean reaches or anything, because how do we know--especially this year--what NFL team boards looked like. But there has been very poor manipulation of the board. We didn't get what we needed to out of this. I won't criticize the PLAYERS for who they aren't, but I will criticize the overall draft class for what it missed.
Re: Official 2020 Draft Thread - Day 3 - NO SPOILERS!!!
Posted: 25 Apr 2020 15:27
by YoHoChecko
Dang, an ILB I really like, Shaun Bradley, just went to Philly. He's Temple Tough and FAST. The rest you'd have to work on.
Re: Official 2020 Draft Thread - Day 3 - NO SPOILERS!!!
Posted: 25 Apr 2020 15:30
by Drj820
NCF wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:22
YoHoChecko wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:20
Other teams manipulated the draft board to meet value and need and we weren't able to. It's a massive missed opportunity.
Its something Gutey specifically said he was looking forward to doing. Either the opportunities didn't align or he absolutely got gun shy after Round 1.
Or, not to be Debby downer...but gutey likes to say things that the fans want to hear, and then...as any gm should...he does what he wants!
Re: Official 2020 Draft Thread - Day 3 - NO SPOILERS!!!
Posted: 25 Apr 2020 15:30
by YoHoChecko
TheGreenMan wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:24
NCF wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:22
YoHoChecko wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:20
Other teams manipulated the draft board to meet value and need and we weren't able to. It's a massive missed opportunity.
Its something Gutey specifically said he was looking forward to doing. Either the opportunities didn't align or he absolutely got gun shy after Round 1.
A lot more different this year that's for sure.
You consider that in his first draft, this is the guy who traded back in the first, then traded back up, still got Jaire Alexander, and basically turned a 3rd round pick into a 1st the next year.
This is a guy who made sure we got the S and OL help we needed with players he liked last year.
And this year, the board just didn't fall right? Look, it didn't. It fell close to a worst case scenario by my eyes, and I said so at the time. But part of your job as GM is to get yourself into the right places. We moved for a QB and then sat there and took it the rest of the time. We didn't get what we needed. I'm sad. Even though we now have TWO of the FIVE guys I put on my "Guys I want to Add this weekend"
Re: Official 2020 Draft Thread - Day 3 - NO SPOILERS!!!
Posted: 25 Apr 2020 15:31
by Waldo
YoHoChecko wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:20
Waldo wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:15
Lets not forget the supplemental draft which figures to be absolutely massive.
The NCAA is going to be far, far more conservative than the NFL when it comes to playing games. While the NFL can certainly go to fan-less TV only, the NCAA is far less likely to do so. If it isn't certain the season is going to happen mostly normal by the time the supplemental deadline hits, there is going to be a massive surge of players declaring for it, and a decent % of the 2021 draft is going to happen in the 2020 supplemental draft.
I'll believe that when I see it. I'm certainly not going to COUNT on us using next year's picks to address a need in an unconventional manner that MAY be forced into action by the virus and may not.
I like the players we have drafted for the most part. But failing to add a dynamic pass catcher this offseason is a major and legitimate failure. It's one piece that could be sprinkled in and make a huge difference from day one. It's not THE ONLY PIECE we needed. But it is a key need that was readily available. Other teams manipulated the draft board to meet value and need and we weren't able to. It's a massive missed opportunity.
And now that that opportunity has closed, it's weighing on me. I had hope right up through the Texans taking Coulter, the Bears trading up to swipe Mooney 2 picks before us, our pick of a run-only LB two picks before the Jets took a more athletic LB, and another couple picks before DPJ went off the board. The opportunity is over. And I am deflated and I think that's totally fair.
But HEY! We got my OL!
If there is not a widely available vaccine by mid-late summer, in-person football will not happen this fall. Period. The likelihood of a widely available vaccine in 2020 is incredibly low.
Major programs are the only ones that have any broadcast presence whatsoever. NCAA is in person first, broadcast second, unlike the NFL, which could play fanless games without issue.
In person sports and concerts were the first things canceled and will be the last things reopened.
Re: Official 2020 Draft Thread - Day 3 - NO SPOILERS!!!
Posted: 25 Apr 2020 15:31
by NCF
Drj820 wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:30
NCF wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:22
YoHoChecko wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:20
Other teams manipulated the draft board to meet value and need and we weren't able to. It's a massive missed opportunity.
Its something Gutey specifically said he was looking forward to doing. Either the opportunities didn't align or he absolutely got gun shy after Round 1.
Or, not to be Debby downer...but gutey likes to say things that the fans want to hear, and then...as any gm should...he does what he wants!
I don’t think that’s being a downer. I think that’s just a fact. He is very unapologetic as every GM should be.
Re: Official 2020 Draft Thread - Day 3 - NO SPOILERS!!!
Posted: 25 Apr 2020 15:33
by YoHoChecko
Drj820 wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:30
NCF wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:22
YoHoChecko wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:20
Other teams manipulated the draft board to meet value and need and we weren't able to. It's a massive missed opportunity.
Its something Gutey specifically said he was looking forward to doing. Either the opportunities didn't align or he absolutely got gun shy after Round 1.
Or, not to be Debby downer...but gutey likes to say things that the fans want to hear, and then...as any gm should...he does what he wants!
Nah, in each of his first two drafts he manipulated the board to meet needs very well. It was as much of a strength as actual player selection, which still has yet to be fully determined. That's a thing he's done, a thing he can do, and a thing he didn't get done this year.
Re: Official 2020 Draft Thread - Day 3 - NO SPOILERS!!!
Posted: 25 Apr 2020 15:35
by TheGreenMan
YoHoChecko wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:30
TheGreenMan wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:24
NCF wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:22
Its something Gutey specifically said he was looking forward to doing. Either the opportunities didn't align or he absolutely got gun shy after Round 1.
A lot more different this year that's for sure.
You consider that in his first draft, this is the guy who traded back in the first, then traded back up, still got Jaire Alexander, and basically turned a 3rd round pick into a 1st the next year.
This is a guy who made sure we got the S and OL help we needed with players he liked last year.
And this year, the board just didn't fall right? Look, it didn't. It fell close to a worst case scenario by my eyes, and I said so at the time. But part of your job as GM is to get yourself into the right places. We moved for a QB and then sat there and took it the rest of the time. We didn't get what we needed. I'm sad. Even though we now have TWO of the FIVE guys I put on my "Guys I want to Add this weekend"
His first draft, first round was a work of brilliance. And at the time, getting Josh Jackson in the second, made it all look even better there up top. I'm still holding out for Jackson, I just don't think we play the D he specializes in.
This year, yeah, very little movement. I was actually surprised it took so long for the first trade in the first round by anyone.
Some teams are killing it this year though.
Re: Official 2020 Draft Thread - Day 3 - NO SPOILERS!!!
Posted: 25 Apr 2020 15:35
by Pckfn23
TheGreenMan wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:22
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:20
TheGreenMan wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:18
Between the ears. Or at least that's everything I'm reading.
Everything? You mean just NFL.com?
NFL, Forbes, Bleacher Report, SBNation
I haven't found a scouting report from the latter 3...
Re: Official 2020 Draft Thread - Day 3 - NO SPOILERS!!!
Posted: 25 Apr 2020 15:37
by YoHoChecko
TheGreenMan wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020 15:35
His first draft, first round was a work of brilliance. And at the time, getting Josh Jackson in the second, made it all look even better there up top. I'm still holding out for Jackson, I just don't think we play the D he specializes in.
This year, yeah, very little movement. I was actually surprised it took so long for the first trade in the first round by anyone.
Some teams are killing it this year though.
Agreed on many fronts. Jackson isn't a nickel/inside CB. He's an outside CB that needs safety help; perfect for a cover-3. All the teams running the Seattle style D could better use him.
Re: Official 2020 Draft Thread - Day 3 - NO SPOILERS!!!
Posted: 25 Apr 2020 15:37
by paco
Vikings with 3 picks before us here.
Re: Official 2020 Draft Thread - Day 3 - NO SPOILERS!!!
Posted: 25 Apr 2020 15:38
by kampmanfan4life
Minnesota trades again