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No. Like no not at all. Absolutely not. Did you even read it? Like there are two years' worth of schedules posted telling you exactly when this took place a few posts back. I brought the receipts and you still are mischaracterizing the timing based on a mis-remembrance. Don't call me disingenuous when you are provably visibly wrong based on things that I specifically posted to show facts. Sorry this is harshly worded but like what the hell do we have to do here to convince people that the "normal" way we do this is the exact opposite of what you and a couple others mis-remember every year.
Sorry, I didn't mean disingenuous in a bad way, for lack of a better word, more in the vein of it wasn't the whole story. The earliest the draft began in your 3 examples was July 6. We started the draft on June 17th this year. So, as I said the draft is starting earlier, so it isn't apples to apples to just say start it up after the draft.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑18 Aug 2024 21:01No. Like no not at all. Absolutely not. Did you even read it? Like there are two years' worth of schedules posted telling you exactly when this took place a few posts back. I brought the receipts and you still are mischaracterizing the timing based on a mis-remembrance. Don't call me disingenuous when you are provably visibly wrong based on things that I specifically posted to show facts. Sorry this is harshly worded but like what the hell do we have to do here to convince people that the "normal" way we do this is the exact opposite of what you and a couple others mis-remember every year.
The drafts have happened the first week in July and the waivers have opened between mid-July and August 2nd.
Your memory is lying to you. We have been drafting in July and opening waivers right after for half a decade. It has worked just fine and no one has ever been confused or upset. And then every year someone(s) mis-remembers and argues against doing it.
That is why I ask, because I hate that. It should be waivers run 1 or 2 times each week. Pure free agency for 1.5 months simply means the person who gets the notifications first gets the player.
I actually get this argument and it's true. We either should go straight to in-season rules, waivers weekly, free agency open on Wednesday, players lock once they play or, if possible, just run waivers once a week with no free agency until the regular season starts and after roster cutdowns.
I agree. I don't have to put my phone on instant twitter notifications for every injury message for Schefter or Rappaport, I mean I will if that's what we do, but I don't want to live that way.
JC, does @YoHoChecko have to hit you over the head for this to sink in. We HAVE NOT done it the same way for 10 years. That is the biggest problem in all of this.
It is so wild to me that in the 3ish years where I was more actively co-commissionering it never occurred to me that instead of digging through old threads and copy/pasting the schedule from previous years with slight date alterations, we could write it down somewhere permanently. Ha.BF004 wrote: ↑20 Aug 2024 09:46Change for next season, Nick has volunteered to take over as commissioner. Which would include writing up by-laws and a schedule that is set in writing that we can follow every year.
I would imagine we would all have to agree on the by-laws, (schedule, waiver rules and times, draft process, etc. etc.), but it would be nice to have this sorted out once and for all so we don't have to have these same discussions every offseason.
This plan has my full support. Yoho is co-commissioner or assistant, or maybe I'm assistant, lol, I'm not sure. So I would want his blessing or perhaps he can jointly work with Nick in whatever capacity they chose.
Thoughts, objections, suggestions?
I get your point, but the other side is I sit at a computer all day. Some people work real jobs and don't have that ability. I, like you, am totally into finding the hidden gems. That is fun and why I support FCFS after waivers have run each week. What I don't want is the same 2 or 3 people having access to the all the slam dunks. Like if Purdy tears an ACL in preseason game it is so easy for whoever is online to go find SF's back-up and add them. Everyone should have a fair shot at those moves where there would likely be half the league putting in a waiver claim. That is my opinion.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑20 Aug 2024 10:14I guess some of you want weekly waivers to arbitrarily make things less fun even when there are no games or weeks in the NFL schedule.
I am sorry, but this is a COMPLETELY &%$@ perspective and you know it. It doesn't benefit those who try harder, it benefits those who have access to their phones during the day. Perfect example is JJ McCarthy news breaking of his out for season surgery. The person who has access to a phone and gets the notification goes in and adds the new Vikings #2. It has nothing to do with trying harder...And while I understand it's a minority opinion, I do still think the "FCFS is bad because it benefits whoever acts fastest" is a really weird way of making "this rule benefits people who try harder and care more" a bad thing, rather than a good thing. I recognize that we all have lives and other things going on, but the whole "player X got injured in camp, race to grab his backup" vibe is exactly what I want in a league. It's fun and chaotic and doesn't always help because sometimes you overreact or drop a guy who turns out better than the backup you just raced to snag or sometimes the injury isn't actually as bad as it appeared.
I agree with your point. Although I don't feel a need to yell and swear at yoho for having a different opinion. But it isn't a skill talent, just an obsession and availability talent. I want the biggest deciding factor on winning and losing in the league to come down to how we are doing our rookie drafting, putting in months of work studying the draft and the offseason. Not who can click buttons 15 seconds faster on a random Wednesday afternoon in August.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑20 Aug 2024 11:21I am sorry, but this is a COMPLETELY &%$@ perspective and you know it. It doesn't benefit those who try harder, it benefits those who have access to their phones during the day. Perfect example is JJ McCarthy news breaking of his out for season surgery. The person who has access to a phone and gets the notification goes in and adds the new Vikings #2. It has nothing to do with trying harder...And while I understand it's a minority opinion, I do still think the "FCFS is bad because it benefits whoever acts fastest" is a really weird way of making "this rule benefits people who try harder and care more" a bad thing, rather than a good thing. I recognize that we all have lives and other things going on, but the whole "player X got injured in camp, race to grab his backup" vibe is exactly what I want in a league. It's fun and chaotic and doesn't always help because sometimes you overreact or drop a guy who turns out better than the backup you just raced to snag or sometimes the injury isn't actually as bad as it appeared.
Yes. I apologize for the intro sentence @YoHoChecko. My frustration lies in the fact that there are a few that simply want to tilt the rules towards themselves who can devote an inordinate amount of time toward fantasy. This is a prime example of that. Teams went away from the FCFS free agent system because it led to disadvantages for those not online 24/7. Same goes for things like moving up the draft and such. Hopefully we can set things in stone. I will fight hard against the FCFS free agency starting from the end of the draft until week 1.BF004 wrote: ↑20 Aug 2024 12:44I agree with your point. Although I don't feel a need to yell and swear at yoho for having a different opinion. But it isn't a skill talent, just an obsession and availability talent. I want the biggest deciding factor on winning and losing in the league to come down to how we are doing our rookie drafting, putting in months of work studying the draft and the offseason. Not who can click buttons 15 seconds faster on a random Wednesday afternoon in August.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑20 Aug 2024 11:21I am sorry, but this is a COMPLETELY &%$@ perspective and you know it. It doesn't benefit those who try harder, it benefits those who have access to their phones during the day. Perfect example is JJ McCarthy news breaking of his out for season surgery. The person who has access to a phone and gets the notification goes in and adds the new Vikings #2. It has nothing to do with trying harder...And while I understand it's a minority opinion, I do still think the "FCFS is bad because it benefits whoever acts fastest" is a really weird way of making "this rule benefits people who try harder and care more" a bad thing, rather than a good thing. I recognize that we all have lives and other things going on, but the whole "player X got injured in camp, race to grab his backup" vibe is exactly what I want in a league. It's fun and chaotic and doesn't always help because sometimes you overreact or drop a guy who turns out better than the backup you just raced to snag or sometimes the injury isn't actually as bad as it appeared.
I don't think anyone wants that. Two issues to sort through. Waivers only during the offseason (after the draft) or in-season schedule where it is FCFS until a team plays their preseason game that week. The second is what does Fleaflicker allow, because none of us have enough time to police a manual process so we are at the site's mercy, a bit, there.