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RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑11 Feb 2023 18:30The Packers got shafted again by the Hall of Fame voting results. How may championships did Air Coryell win?
What former Packer did not get in this time?absolutely, and the whole football world agrees with you Bud, except for the Guty defenders in here. Murphy gave Rodgers a extension after replacing Ted with Gute, and while some talk here that he was brought in to rejuvenate Rodgers career, imo thats not the reason, he was brought in to change from a scheme that had stagnated and we remained one of the last teams using spread verticals, plus we lacked the receiver talent to continue that style of offense, Rodgers was forced to extend plays to much.bud fox wrote: ↑11 Feb 2023 20:40Hurts is the only better option lol Love has had one terrible start.Labrev wrote: ↑11 Feb 2023 20:37And our options at QB in the draft after the Love pick are significantly worse, assuming we finish the same every year.
2021, it's Trevor Lawrence, who we had no shot at, and then nobody else has panned out yet.
2020, Pickett looks okay-ish, but was gone before our pick, maybe we can trade up a bit to get him but that's a way less talented passer than Love, and then again nobody who has shown anything other than Brock Purdy.
This coming draft, the QBs are very low-floor/high-ceiling. Trying to start a rookie out of this bunch would be a huge gamble. And at 15 overall, we don't pick all that high.
In Love's own draft, one argues that we should have taken Jalen Hurts. Hurts went ahead of our 2nd, so we'd have to trade up, so it's not like you save an extra pick, you may even give up a higher one than 4th. It's really the difference between AJ Dillon and whoever you want in the 1st (Tee Higgins?), and switch the QBs. To date, that's the -only- guy we had some shot at who may have been a better option.
So we are potentially looking at Love being the second or third best option of ALL players at his position that we had a chance at drafting.
We should have just waited until Rodgers was done. Swap love for Higgins boom done.
I'am assuming Jack Vainisi.Pugger wrote: ↑11 Feb 2023 23:34RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑11 Feb 2023 18:30The Packers got shafted again by the Hall of Fame voting results. How may championships did Air Coryell win?
Check the "2023 Pro Football Hall of Fame Class" threadPugger wrote: ↑11 Feb 2023 23:34RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑11 Feb 2023 18:30The Packers got shafted again by the Hall of Fame voting results. How may championships did Air Coryell win?
oh please, Mahomes got to the SB because his team stayed healthy, yes I think he's the best QB now, but that doesn't make Rodgers the dilapedated QB you act as though he is.
that top tier is really to close to call, I'am convinced of one thing, give me any two of those 3 and we possibly have a couple more Owls.
Mahomes did not have Juju, that glorified slot receiver you think is a WR1, in the AFCCG.
MVS was on frickin fire that game: 4 rec, 115, 1 TD.probably would have been enough if they had just caught the passes, again you have a middling TE, who Lafleur did scheme up well for, he caught something like 50 of 58 targets during the season, but was mostly absent for the PO game and if memory serves dropped a first down throw, MVS about the same,
Actually, the Tampa defense *was* spread thin because they were doubling and even tripling Adams almost all game, but it meant that Rodgers needed to actually throw to those guys. Namely, MVS.another receiver like Higgens could have made it easier for the others to do better, see thats how this stuff works, the more you have the thinner it spreads out the defense, but you don't want to listen to any reasonable response, just blame a great QB.
Just because I don't think Rodgers is some superhuman like you do does not mean I think he is "dilapedated."but that doesn't make Rodgers the dilapedated QB you act as though he is.
Yoop wrote: ↑12 Feb 2023 07:49Pckfn 23: I don't know why you would even attempt to say we didn't know what direction Ted was taking this team, He fired Sherman, hired a spread vertical passing scheme coach and brought in receivers to make that work, that was his goal as soon as he took over from Sherman, Favre was the QB that needed a new vision and rejuvenated, and Ted continued to add high pick receivers till 2014 with Adams, then he abandoned what had made him and the team so successful and went on this building a defense through mostly just the draft process, and the offensive development went in decline, and it's taken till last years draft to finally spend another 2nd rounder on a WR, 8 years of D&D of mid round WR that provided nothing more then #3 and 4 production, and you blame Rodgers for that?
The hate for Ted Thompson prior to the Super Bowl run was wide spread and severe. There was even a website devoted to it! While many didn't see a plan, it did culminate into a Super Bowl win, albeit 6 years after he took the reigns.
Ya, pretty even between Adams and Sharpe, but on board with your other 2. Pick from this:
Mahomes and Brady had better defenses than we did (or at least better schemes and coaching on D).
I don't think Dowler and Dale would succeed in today's game. They, along with all those greats from that era, didn't have the speed of players even in the late 70s and onward.Yoop wrote: ↑12 Feb 2023 09:14that top tier is really to close to call, I'am convinced of one thing, give me any two of those 3 and we possibly have a couple more Owls.
Tae is more recent, so what he can do is more fresh in my mind
Jordy gets the nod over Jennings, again mostly same reason, Greg could hit high gear as quick as any receiver we've had in years, Jordy was just more dependable, and could out muscle on contested balls, love that in him
no argument, Robert Brooks always seemed under rated by fans, in fact I think he belongs in tier 2 with Driver.
Dowler and Dale can only be remembered with stats, which is fine, but that was the RB era, so in todays game they would have a lot more production imo. so it's hard to compare them to these later year WR's
so yep I tend to agree, Tae, Jordy, and Brooksy are my choices to.
Sterling Sharpe, Jack Vainisi, Gale Gillingham, Bill Howton, Verne Lewellen and Lavvie Dilweg. Irritating!Pugger wrote: ↑11 Feb 2023 23:34RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑11 Feb 2023 18:30The Packers got shafted again by the Hall of Fame voting results. How may championships did Air Coryell win?
It's why comparing players from different eras is so hard. It's progression of athletics as a whole though. 1936, 100 meter champ was 10.3, 1964 was 10.0, 2021 was 9.8. Most 1960s/70s and before players/athletes had jobs outside of their sport. Really need to look at how these players performed in their era against those players to then compare them across eras. Give those old players a life of training for football and who knows.
Dear God, 510 catches on 595 targets??? That’s like an 86% completion rate. For a career?
I think part of his career they didn't record targets that's why his targets are at 510 and his receptions are 595. I want to say 1992 is the first year of targets as an official stat.