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Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 04 Jan 2024 17:23
by Half Empty
Sportrac and Over the Cap both show $27,456,000 either all in '24 or spread over '24/'25, depending on the June 1 thing.
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 05 Jan 2024 09:04
by BF004
Half Empty wrote: ↑04 Jan 2024 17:23
Sportrac and Over the Cap both show $27,456,000 either all in '24 or spread over '24/'25, depending on the June 1 thing.
Ah yes, I must have been looking at '23.
Although dead cap is simply a line item to reflect what has happened. 100% most important thing to focus on is the opportunity cost, the alternative, on all aspects.
So just for Jaire's situation, should we happen to trade him, we have $27.5M on the books all come due in 2024. And we'd get the additional draft capital. He has a 2024 cap hit of $24.3M, meaning in 2024, we would add $3.2M to the cap, for him not to be on our team.
However, he also has cap hits of $25.9, $27.9 and $2.4 (void) in 25-27 that would be cleaned up from the cap.
In terms of money yet to be paid, 24 - $15.35, 25 - $16.85, 26 - $18.85. (Includes his $700k workout bonus which he forfeited this year, so could be less)
You just need kind of need all the numbers to make a full decision. Almost somewhat of a wash to be honest. So the question just needs to be asked, do you expect him to be one of the best CB's in the league the next 3 years? If yes, he's almost somewhat of a bargain at 15, 17 and 19M in real money yet to be paid.
If you aren't sure and you don't trust his durability, presence in the locker room, then a trade would be fine too. $$ wise would be close to a push in '24, but we wouldn't get Jaire to play for us that year, but we could get draft picks to, and we would have a lot more freedom in '25 and '26.
Long story short, if we think he is going to be great and he is bought back in, no brainer to keep him. If you think his bad play this year isn't a fluke and you have durability concerns and you think his relationship is broken, trading him is a no brainer then too. Will hurt us for '24, but long term could certainly help us to build a better team 2-3 years down the road.
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 05 Jan 2024 09:07
by go pak go
If Jaire is on board to be a Packer in 2024...you have to keep him.
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 05 Jan 2024 09:16
by Labrev
We've made our bed with him. If Sul was still around and/or Stokes was looking decent again, then maybe trading him would make sense.
But we dealt Sul, Stokes can't stay healthy and looks, uhh... very "rusty" (being charitable to him) in the rare moments that he is healthy enough to play; I wouldn't count on getting anything from him.
Jaire stays. His shoulder probably needs surgery again. Hopefully it gets fixed this time.
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 05 Jan 2024 09:35
by Yoop
If we keep Barry, we lose Jaire, but why would we keep Barry? Barry has proven the better the CB situation, the worse his defense is because he reverts right to soft cushion zones, he finally after 13 games this season started blitzing to support the 4 man rush groups that weren't getting pressure.
what boggles the mind is our GM, Russ Ball, Lafleur new the schemes Barry uses, and made Alexander the richest CB in the league after he blew up over Barry's stupid zone coverage and allowed Justin Jefferson to broach 200 yrds a game, and after a injury season, why? there isn't a dam thing about any of this that even makes sense.
we need to keep Jaire and get rid of Barry,
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 06 Jan 2024 12:34
by NCF
Labrev wrote: ↑05 Jan 2024 09:16
Jaire stays. His shoulder probably needs surgery again. Hopefully it gets fixed this time.
Did he actually have surgery last time? I think they just waited it out and hoped it healed over the offseason.
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 06 Jan 2024 20:46
by Cdragon
Tight end Luke Musgrave (kidney) and running back Emanuel Wilson (shoulder) have both been moved to the 53-man roster off of the injury list. Musgrave, the team’s starting tight end, lacerated his kidney against the Los Angeles Chargers in Week 11 — the same game in which Wilson injured his shoulder. Wilson’s activation seems important, due to AJ Dillon’s thumb injury. On Friday, the Packers officially ruled Dillon out against the Bears, meaning that some combination of Wilson and Patrick Taylor will back up Aaron Jones on Sunday.
To make room for the promotions of Musgrave and Wilson, the Packers released cornerback David Long Jr. and placed safety Rudy Ford on the injured reserve. Long, a former third-round pick in 2019, was claimed off of waivers by Green Bay in Week 13. With cornerback Jaire Alexander presumably healthy, the team must no longer believe they need an extra body at the position.
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 06 Jan 2024 21:00
by Drj820
Super Bowl run imminent
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 06 Jan 2024 21:47
by BF004
Dubose elevated from PS.
Guessing some bad news coming on the WR front.
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 06 Jan 2024 21:57
by go pak go
BF004 wrote: ↑06 Jan 2024 21:47
Dubose elevated from PS.
Guessing some bad news coming on the WR front.
My guess is Watson.
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 06 Jan 2024 22:06
by lupedafiasco
go pak go wrote: ↑06 Jan 2024 21:57
BF004 wrote: ↑06 Jan 2024 21:47
Dubose elevated from PS.
Guessing some bad news coming on the WR front.
My guess is Watson.
Could be a precaution. I’m case he can’t go tomorrow. Better to be safe than sorry in the last game.
If Watson doesn’t go though it’s a complete disappointment. Only 9 games out of him on the season and really inly 2 great games.
I still believe he can be great but I think expectations need to be baked in that he will miss time. Like early Mike Thomas. Just hopefully he stays healthy more than not.
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 06 Jan 2024 22:52
by MY_TAKE
lupedafiasco wrote: ↑06 Jan 2024 22:06
If Watson doesn’t go though it’s a complete disappointment. Only 9 games out of him on the season and really inly 2 great games.
Exactly. Not sure if it really is a Watson thing at the moment but, as you said, what a disappointment if he cant go! The 9 games he played we never got the best of him, just because he almost never fully practices and gets reps with the playbook or with Jordon Love. How could the team get the best of Watson with what's gone on with his delicate hammies and time missed?
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 07 Jan 2024 08:58
by Scott4Pack
go pak go wrote: ↑05 Jan 2024 09:07
If Jaire is on board to be a Packer in 2024...you have to keep him.
I normally concur with a comment like this. And I am now too. But I will throw a caveat in there. If Jaire turns out to be a little too much on the eccentric side, it’ll show in his play. Or, if he still favors the shoulder that he hurt, he will. Never play up to expectations. He needs to make a new commitment to the team and we’ll see where that takes us. He needs to be known more for his play on the field than his little tricks he does aside from that.
That would be when the Packers “should” keep him. Not a moment before that.
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 07 Jan 2024 09:25
by go pak go
lupedafiasco wrote: ↑06 Jan 2024 22:06
go pak go wrote: ↑06 Jan 2024 21:57
BF004 wrote: ↑06 Jan 2024 21:47
Dubose elevated from PS.
Guessing some bad news coming on the WR front.
My guess is Watson.
Could be a precaution. I’m case he can’t go tomorrow. Better to be safe than sorry in the last game.
If Watson doesn’t go though it’s a complete disappointment. Only 9 games out of him on the season and really inly 2 great games.
I still believe he can be great but I think expectations need to be baked in that he will miss time. Like early Mike Thomas. Just hopefully he stays healthy more than not.
I was encouraged when it was reported last Sunday that MLF stated one of the largest Packers offseason priorities is to figure out Watson's damn hamstrings.
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 07 Jan 2024 10:10
by BF004
go pak go wrote: ↑07 Jan 2024 09:25
lupedafiasco wrote: ↑06 Jan 2024 22:06
go pak go wrote: ↑06 Jan 2024 21:57
My guess is Watson.
Could be a precaution. I’m case he can’t go tomorrow. Better to be safe than sorry in the last game.
If Watson doesn’t go though it’s a complete disappointment. Only 9 games out of him on the season and really inly 2 great games.
I still believe he can be great but I think expectations need to be baked in that he will miss time. Like early Mike Thomas. Just hopefully he stays healthy more than not.
I was encouraged when it was reported last Sunday that MLF stated one of the largest Packers offseason priorities is to figure out Watson's damn hamstrings.
True but Joe Barry says they gotta look at the film and figure out how they keep giving up 200 yards rushers…. So I wouldn’t keep too high of expectations.
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 07 Jan 2024 10:24
by Yoop
BF004 wrote: ↑07 Jan 2024 10:10
go pak go wrote: ↑07 Jan 2024 09:25
lupedafiasco wrote: ↑06 Jan 2024 22:06
Could be a precaution. I’m case he can’t go tomorrow. Better to be safe than sorry in the last game.
If Watson doesn’t go though it’s a complete disappointment. Only 9 games out of him on the season and really inly 2 great games.
I still believe he can be great but I think expectations need to be baked in that he will miss time. Like early Mike Thomas. Just hopefully he stays healthy more than not.
I was encouraged when it was reported last Sunday that MLF stated one of the largest Packers offseason priorities is to figure out Watson's damn hamstrings.
True but Joe Barry says they gotta look at the film and figure out how they keep giving up 200 yards rushers…. So I wouldn’t keep too high of expectations.
we miss Amos, obviously whats happening up front against the run has to be more consistent, but so does the play at ILB and safety, we've seen how well the front can be if we use more 3 dn (hand in the dirt) fronts, which decidedly eliminates the 5 DB that most cords have to use, or a ILB as many cords opt with, whatever, we need to improve the safety position, Savage is serviceable, but Ford, Owens, Levitt etc are players ya hope can be fair backups, not starting, we need another enforcer type in short center, Dejean, or whatever his name is might be available with our RD1 pick, imo he would be a wise choice.
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 07 Jan 2024 11:03
by Cdragon
BF004 wrote: ↑07 Jan 2024 10:10
go pak go wrote: ↑07 Jan 2024 09:25
lupedafiasco wrote: ↑06 Jan 2024 22:06
Could be a precaution. I’m case he can’t go tomorrow. Better to be safe than sorry in the last game.
If Watson doesn’t go though it’s a complete disappointment. Only 9 games out of him on the season and really inly 2 great games.
I still believe he can be great but I think expectations need to be baked in that he will miss time. Like early Mike Thomas. Just hopefully he stays healthy more than not.
I was encouraged when it was reported last Sunday that MLF stated one of the largest Packers offseason priorities is to figure out Watson's damn hamstrings.
True but Joe Barry says they gotta look at the film and figure out how they keep giving up 200 yards rushers…. So I wouldn’t keep too high of expectations.
Film? Just stick a mirror in front of him.
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 07 Jan 2024 13:25
by Scott4Pack
go pak go wrote: ↑06 Jan 2024 21:57
BF004 wrote: ↑06 Jan 2024 21:47
Dubose elevated from PS.
Guessing some bad news coming on the WR front.
My guess is Watson.
If our med staff is on the fence about him this week, my thinking is it's better to pull him this week if it looks like he legit plays next week. But I think we test him today. We'll suit up 7 WRs today.
All that Watson needs to do today is run the post and open up the 20-25 yard range for Musgrave. If he catches a deep ball, that's an added bonus.
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 07 Jan 2024 15:25
by YoHoChecko
The difference between the Rams' season and the Packers' season--aside from the fact that we waxed them when they had a backup QB--is that the Giants made the game-winning FG to beat us in a disappointing outing, and the Giants missed the game-winning FG to give the Rams a win despite a disappointing outing.
And it was Mason Crosby who missed theirs.
And this whole thing pops into my mind at least once per day
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 07 Jan 2024 18:10
by Scott4Pack
Can't take away anything from the other playoff teams. They all deserve it. But this Packer squad actually looks like it is still IMPROVING every week. Gonna have lots of confidence next week in the playoffs.