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YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2023 21:54

BSA wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2023 12:49

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2023 12:23

I think that drafting two (any combination of a WR and a TE) puts us at risk of losing a player at a different position, such as DLine.

for 2023, the Packers currently have 11 picks and despite drafting at # 15, they have the 11th most draft capital out of 32 teams
See below. I think GB can afford drafting both a WR and a TE

I actually think TE is a great candidate for the "Packers fix a position by drafting 3 guys and see how it shakes out" approach. The TE class is SUPER deep this year. Take one early, take one in the middle, take one late. Get someone who has Tonyan's skillset (pass catcher with some blocking ability; Lewis' skillset (in-line blocker with some passing ability). Take 'em all. Safety and TE are the only positions on the team that are truly baren. We have possibilities, stop-gaps, developmental players basically everywhere else (which are like "can/should be upgraded but not NEED needs. TE and Safety are NEED needs

TE is a little stronger at the top than safety and EDGE, but honestly I like so many players at various draft values throughout the draft at all three positions that it's hard for me to fall in love with any one.

I'm hoping that we get 2 top 100 picks for Rodgers, which isn't worth discussing in the draft thread until it happens. But if we do, and we have 6 picks in the top 115? Easy to get a TE, a WR, a DT, an EDGE, and a safety... then double down on some of those positions on day 3 (probably another 6 picks in rounds 4 through 7).

Also a deep RB class and we could look for RB3 late on day 3. I love this kid from ASU who lit up the Shrine Game but he was a combine snub so I'll have to wait for his numbers. Xavien Valladay or something? Struck me as a teensy bit Aaron Jonesish, but Jones stood out at the combine for being top 5 among RBs in every workout category accept 40-time. So a shame to miss that.

TheSkeptic wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023 02:29

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2023 21:54

BSA wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2023 12:49

for 2023, the Packers currently have 11 picks and despite drafting at # 15, they have the 11th most draft capital out of 32 teams
See below. I think GB can afford drafting both a WR and a TE

I actually think TE is a great candidate for the "Packers fix a position by drafting 3 guys and see how it shakes out" approach. The TE class is SUPER deep this year. Take one early, take one in the middle, take one late. Get someone who has Tonyan's skillset (pass catcher with some blocking ability; Lewis' skillset (in-line blocker with some passing ability). Take 'em all. Safety and TE are the only positions on the team that are truly baren. We have possibilities, stop-gaps, developmental players basically everywhere else (which are like "can/should be upgraded but not NEED needs. TE and Safety are NEED needs

TE is a little stronger at the top than safety and EDGE, but honestly I like so many players at various draft values throughout the draft at all three positions that it's hard for me to fall in love with any one.

I'm hoping that we get 2 top 100 picks for Rodgers, which isn't worth discussing in the draft thread until it happens. But if we do, and we have 6 picks in the top 115? Easy to get a TE, a WR, a DT, an EDGE, and a safety... then double down on some of those positions on day 3 (probably another 6 picks in rounds 4 through 7).

Also a deep RB class and we could look for RB3 late on day 3. I love this kid from ASU who lit up the Shrine Game but he was a combine snub so I'll have to wait for his numbers. Xavien Valladay or something? Struck me as a teensy bit Aaron Jonesish, but Jones stood out at the combine for being top 5 among RBs in every workout category accept 40-time. So a shame to miss that.

Agree, and it gets worse if the Packers cannot afford to resign Tonyan and Amos. Tonyan did not have a great season, but lets not forget that he was coming off an ACL, just and Jenkins and Bakh were. We saw in this year's playoffs just how valuable a good TE can be whan he is not 3rd in the QB's progression.

BSA wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2023 12:49

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2023 12:23

I think that drafting two (any combination of a WR and a TE) puts us at risk of losing a player at a different position, such as DLine.

for 2023, the Packers currently have 11 picks and despite drafting at # 15, they have the 11th most draft capital out of 32 teams
See below. I think GB can afford drafting both a WR and a TE

https://www.tankathon.com/nfl/power_rankings

On the TE side, it depends on what skills you're drafting for. An all around talent will require a top pick -and you can question whether such a player exists, is in the Packers draft range and if you're willing to make that investment in a non-premium position.
But if you're looking for more of a blocking TE to take over for Big Dog - that's probably a 3-5th rounder and wouldn't leave you short elsewhere. Deguara has the move TE position covered. So a top pick to replace Tonyan and/or a mid- rounder to replace Big Dog.

BF004 wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023 09:07

Have to go through the thread. I am a very anti-RB guy in general, but definitely often thought hard about taking Bijan, especially if I trade back into the 20's.

I think the kicker has to be if they are active in the passing game. Why Leonard Fournette, amazing running, could just never justify that pick.

But is Bijan that dude though? Kind of weird, he doesn't seem to do any one thing just super amazing. But his end result and production is just off the charts, seems to do every little thing just perfect. And by he doesn't seem to do any one thing amazing, he doesn't have McCaffrey route running or quickness, Adrian Peterson speed, doesn't have Derrick Henry power, but he is just like a little step below all of them in all categories.

Hard to compare vision, elusiveness, tackle breaking, but just all incredible on him when watching.

Labrev wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023 09:18

I don't think we sniff him (unless we really do get #7 overall from 'Vegas), but I'm all-in on Robinson. He is a capital-dub Weapon on O, which is exactly what you invest first round picks in, IMO.

Aaron Jones is two years away from hitting the dreaded 3-oh, then you have Robinson takeover at RB1, pick up his option, and transition Jones into more of a Kevin Faulk role, works out great. And he is a better receiver than most WRs in this draft.

It's funny, RB is seen as one of the least valuable positions. I will grant that it is definitely one of the more plug-and-play spots in the sport. But, food for thought... the *only* position other than QB to receive MVP votes? RB. That's how much of a game-changer an elite 'back can be.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023 09:21

Labrev wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023 09:18

I don't think we sniff him (unless we really do get #7 overall from 'Vegas), but I'm all-in on Robinson. He is a capital-dub Weapon on O, which is exactly what you invest first round picks in, IMO.

Aaron Jones is two years away from hitting the dreaded 3-oh, then you have Robinson takeover at RB1, pick up his option, and transition Jones into more of a Kevin Faulk role, works out great. And he is a better receiver than most WRs in this draft.

It's funny, RB is seen as one of the least valuable positions. I will grant that it is definitely one of the more plug-and-play spots in the sport. But, food for thought... the *only* position other than QB to receive MVP votes? RB. That's how much of a game-changer an elite 'back can be.

If we used a 1st round pick on Robinson to share carries with Aaron Jones we would be idiots. That would be as stupid as signing a RB to a long term deal and then drafting another one in the 2nd round to be a backup his entire rookie contract. Idk why anyone would do that.

BF004 wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023 09:07

Have to go through the thread. I am a very anti-RB guy in general, but definitely often thought hard about taking Bijan, especially if I trade back into the 20's.

I think the kicker has to be if they are active in the passing game. Why Leonard Fournette, amazing running, could just never justify that pick.

But is Bijan that dude though? Kind of weird, he doesn't seem to do any one thing just super amazing. But his end result and production is just off the charts, seems to do every little thing just perfect. And by he doesn't seem to do any one thing amazing, he doesn't have McCaffrey route running or quickness, Adrian Peterson speed, doesn't have Derrick Henry power, but he is just like a little step below all of them in all categories.

Hard to compare vision, elusiveness, tackle breaking, but just all incredible on him when watching.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023 09:13

I think they need a guy that can be a reliable receiver who can get open quickly for those must have downs like a Keenan Allen/Amon-Ra type. We can get one of those in the 2nd/3rd.

TE we desperately need and I think going there twice isnt a bad option. If we land a Darnell Washington and say a Sam La Porta we could have a Gronk/Hernandez type of draft where you have two complimentary TEs that can stress defensive personnel.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023 13:25

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023 09:13

I think they need a guy that can be a reliable receiver who can get open quickly for those must have downs like a Keenan Allen/Amon-Ra type. We can get one of those in the 2nd/3rd.

TE we desperately need and I think going there twice isnt a bad option. If we land a Darnell Washington and say a Sam La Porta we could have a Gronk/Hernandez type of draft where you have two complimentary TEs that can stress defensive personnel.

We are on extremely same pages this draft season (aside from Brian Branch, haha)

I specifically want Keenan Allen and to draft an Amon-Ra type (heard JSN compared to Amon-Ra as he turned out, not as he was as a draft prospect, but like you said, that's an early pick). Though I do wonder if JSN runs, say, a 4.57 at the combine or pro day if he falls into the second round range for us. I'm sort of rooting for that?

I also really want Adrei Ioshevas because I fear that a Watson injury would so mess up what we do with our offense that I want a poor man's developmental version of a similar guy. 6'3", 210 pounds, track athlete speed and a physical play demanor? Yeah, let me at 'em

texas wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023 13:34

My friend specifically singled out Keenan Allen as someone we should have attempted to trade for last year, at the time. I am 100% on board with that move.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023 13:36

texas wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023 13:34

My friend specifically singled out Keenan Allen as someone we should have attempted to trade for last year, at the time. I am 100% on board with that move.

Word is that he is likely to be released for cap savings. I would not trade draft capital for a short-term aging fix at this point in our cycle, but if released, I think he needs to be our top target. I think our young receivers would benefit immensely from his presence and our young QB and offensive efficiency would, as well. He's a win-win. But he could price himself out of our cap market.

Backthepack4ever wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023 13:50

I m also for going after 2 tes that are threats. Washington is a monster that can move. I see musgraves popped in the top 50. I know nothing about him but sounds like he is an athlete also. Rodgers would just LOVE seeing Love get the spoils of weapons at his disposal