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2021 is really Love's first full season with any real live NFL action in the preseason and as the primary backup to AR. I'd feel a lot better if he had one more full season after this one before we hand the reins over from #12.
right, and just because I crashed and burned trying to be a drag bike racer on that 1972 H2 Kawasaki widow maker does not mean I couldn't do better on a normal motorcycleYoHoChecko wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021 09:47What happened with Love in Kansas City doesn't prove he can't do anything... but it also failed to prove that he can.
The #1 overall and #7 overall pick?
I just think it’s silly how all of last year is treated like it shouldn’t count and it offered nothing to be benefited from.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021 17:20The #1 overall and #7 overall pick?
Yeah, that's a wholly different class of prospect than the 26th pick. We've gone over this like 8,000 times and all you've brought to the conversation is snark about reps. Do we need to show the Aaron Rodgers rookie Ravens and sophomore Patriots stat lines again? Or the absolutely lost clips of him on the field in those games? Do we need to show the college tape of Burrow, Herbert, and Love to compare the mechanics and fundamentals as starting points?
You're comparing apples to oranges and wondering why they produce different juices
I mean it obviously benefitted him because all accounts from training camp and from coaches were that he was much farther ahead in year two than year one, so I agree with you that it mattered.
I think what hurt him worse than covid was being in street close every game and being third string.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021 17:30I mean it obviously benefitted him because all accounts from training camp and from coaches were that he was much farther ahead in year two than year one, so I agree with you that it mattered.
But he also is someone who needed a lot of work and it is a shame that our ability to do that development was hampered by circumstances beyond our control.
It can be true both that the COVID year hampered his potential development relative to a regular year, and also that having the limited year that he did still provided some level of benefit, even if less than optimal.
translation= Love didn't play as well as I think he should have against KC, don't ask me why, I don't care about reasons, and excuses are like my lower unit, every ones got one, so don't give me any of those, Love will be out of the league and selling womans under wear by 2023.
I don't think he is as good as fields ... He looks to have a better arm but fields sees the game better ... I have only seen one game from fields ... Last nightYoHoChecko wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021 19:59What I've seen from Jordan Love as a second year player reminds me a lot of two starting players for comparison--Justin Fields as a rookie, and Taylor Heineke as a young career backup who finally got a chance
I just don't think he sees the game well which just leads to failure in the NFL but also our roster won't be as good because of a rebuild. It will be a bad year when be starts and he will move onto anotber team - not be out of the leagueYoop wrote: ↑13 Dec 2021 14:02translation= Love didn't play as well as I think he should have against KC, don't ask me why, I don't care about reasons, and excuses are like my lower unit, every ones got one, so don't give me any of those, Love will be out of the league and selling womans under wear by 2023.
I have seen more than one game from Fields and I think the difference between them is volume and opportunity.bud fox wrote: ↑13 Dec 2021 15:44I don't think he is as good as fields ... He looks to have a better arm but fields sees the game better ... I have only seen one game from fields ... Last nightYoHoChecko wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021 19:59What I've seen from Jordan Love as a second year player reminds me a lot of two starting players for comparison--Justin Fields as a rookie, and Taylor Heineke as a young career backup who finally got a chance
Fair enough.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑13 Dec 2021 16:02I have seen more than one game from Fields and I think the difference between them is volume and opportunity.bud fox wrote: ↑13 Dec 2021 15:44I don't think he is as good as fields ... He looks to have a better arm but fields sees the game better ... I have only seen one game from fields ... Last nightYoHoChecko wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021 19:59What I've seen from Jordan Love as a second year player reminds me a lot of two starting players for comparison--Justin Fields as a rookie, and Taylor Heineke as a young career backup who finally got a chance
Their baseline stats are actually similarish, also.
Fields is completing 57.6% of his passes at 6.9 yards per attempt with a TD:INT ratio of 6:10 and a rating of 69
Love completed 58.5% of his passes for 6.3 yards per attempt with 1 TD and 1 INT and a rating of 75
They both abandon the pass and scramble a bit too early. They both have good arms. They both have scattered ball placement especially on the move. They both look raw and have a lot to learn.
Heineke has all those traits, but looks to be at or near his ceiling. Like he is getting the best of his physical tools and the outcomes are much like Fields' or in smaller doses, Love. But he has elevated to this point with lesser arm strength and size and may not be trending up.
But the idea of comparisons were to point out what QB play at this level might look like--Heineke not quite good enough for WFT. Fields provides little more than hope to Bears fans at this juncture, but no moreso than Love provides to us--well, at least to me.
I think the 15 slot difference in the draft status of Love and Fields is the difference in years. Fields was a year ahead of Love on the learning curve, so he went higher than Love. Love is a 2nd year player and Fields a rookie, but Love is only 4-5 months older than Fields.
I dunno why, it just helps my thought process to place people into little comparison groups or categories when I see stylistic or strength/weakness similarities. And I've seen a decent amount of Heineke, especially. When I watched Love play this year, I thought "oh, it looks like that WFT kid, but younger and with more natural talent--talent which won't matter if his ball placement under pressure remains scattershot, but will be quite evident if he finds himself comfortable enough to play within a scheme most of the time and grow through some of his off-schedule struggles.
FWIW I see traces of Russ Wilson in Fields game.bud fox wrote: ↑13 Dec 2021 16:48Fair enough.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑13 Dec 2021 16:02I have seen more than one game from Fields and I think the difference between them is volume and opportunity.
Their baseline stats are actually similarish, also.
Fields is completing 57.6% of his passes at 6.9 yards per attempt with a TD:INT ratio of 6:10 and a rating of 69
Love completed 58.5% of his passes for 6.3 yards per attempt with 1 TD and 1 INT and a rating of 75
They both abandon the pass and scramble a bit too early. They both have good arms. They both have scattered ball placement especially on the move. They both look raw and have a lot to learn.
Heineke has all those traits, but looks to be at or near his ceiling. Like he is getting the best of his physical tools and the outcomes are much like Fields' or in smaller doses, Love. But he has elevated to this point with lesser arm strength and size and may not be trending up.
But the idea of comparisons were to point out what QB play at this level might look like--Heineke not quite good enough for WFT. Fields provides little more than hope to Bears fans at this juncture, but no moreso than Love provides to us--well, at least to me.
I think the 15 slot difference in the draft status of Love and Fields is the difference in years. Fields was a year ahead of Love on the learning curve, so he went higher than Love. Love is a 2nd year player and Fields a rookie, but Love is only 4-5 months older than Fields.
I dunno why, it just helps my thought process to place people into little comparison groups or categories when I see stylistic or strength/weakness similarities. And I've seen a decent amount of Heineke, especially. When I watched Love play this year, I thought "oh, it looks like that WFT kid, but younger and with more natural talent--talent which won't matter if his ball placement under pressure remains scattershot, but will be quite evident if he finds himself comfortable enough to play within a scheme most of the time and grow through some of his off-schedule struggles.
Agree on them moving early but Love seemed to always break out to the left or right, where as Fields moved in different directions.
Fields first int wasnt a bad play it was just a soft arm throw. I didn't think he made that many bad plays.
I really don't like the tape from Love's last year in college and that is probably clouding my judgement.
1. AgreeNCF wrote: ↑08 Dec 2021 10:55Requires a couple things...
1.) Fat new contract with a whole lot of value pushed out to future years
2.) Close the door on Jordan Love. These two are tied. If you commit to Rodgers, you move on from Love.
3.) Rodgers has to accept that he will be playing on a lesser team in 2022 and maybe 2023. The cap will dictate this. No way around it.
I think as much as the Packers committing to Rodgers, Rodgers almost has to commit to the Packers for another 5-6 seasons to make it viable and accept that the cap reality means we essentially need to rebuild the team around him to open a new window in 2023 or 2024.
I certainly cannot rule it out, but I still think it is unlikely.
