Packers Huddle

Labrev wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2023 08:21

Brutal graph. Only the Colts are worse. Panthers are about as predictable but at least get good D out of it. Nobody else in our vicinity.

Hmm. Carolina is in an even bigger rebuild than we are, and have far less talent on defense but getting better performance out of it.

Doing more with less, a sign of good coaching. Who is CAR's D-Coord? Oh right, Ejiro Evero, the guy we passed up to hire Joe Barry!!

The Colts are…worse? Am I not reading this correctly? I’d say they’re more predictable…but worse?

Cleveland is considerably more predictable, too. Difference being they just play their brand of defense really well.

Point being, you can be predictable - think Legion of Boom - and still be successful. The Packers are predictable but, unfortunate for us, have not mastered their style of defense. Not even close.

when you're good, I mean really good, you're likely fairly predictable because you're just good at what you do. When everyone is sound in their assignments the schemes usually work. They don't work when you're fooled, or your not doing your job trying to do someone else's.

But our predictability comes in the form of, every 3rd down we're aligned to "survive the $%@# down" and give 15 yard cushions on 3rd's and 12's and BS like that.

Yesterday, the Packers Defense performed exactly as it should against a mediocre offense with a QB who should never throw another pass in an NFL game.

It played tight, aggressive pass coverage and there seemed to be a lot of man instead of soft zone. Carrington Valentine played particularly well for a first-time, 7th round rookie starter.

There was also penetration from the defensive line. Slaton, Brooks, and Wooden all seemed to make plays at, near, and even behind the line of scrimmage. There was also attacking mentality from the LBs.

To be honest, I did not notice any dropoff from Douglas to Valentine, Walker to McDuffie, Ford/Savage to Johnson.

This was the attacking, aggressive defense we were promised all offseason and did not see much of during the first 7 games of the season.

The Packers have faced and will face the worst collection of QBs I can ever recall in 2023: Fields (twice unless the equally bad Bagent starts the final game of the season), Ridder (benched), Garoppolo (benched), Rypien, Pickett, whoever fills in for the woeful Daniel Jones, rookie Bryce Young of the 1-7 Panthers, and mediocrities like Carr, Mayfield, and Wilson.

Given the pathetic scoring offenses (NYG last, Pitt 31st, Carolina 28th) still on the schedule, if the Defense continues to play as it did yesterday, the Packers may well end up with a top 10 scoring defense. They are currently at 19.1 ppg, which is 11th overall.

If I was a betting man, at this point I'd say Joe Barry is back to coordinate the D in 2024.

If Barry keeps calling games like he did yesterday and the defense keeps holding opponents to low point production, he will have earned it regardless of the quality of opponent.

And that's coming from a guy who has been one of his harshest critics, which he also earned.

APB wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2023 07:14

If Barry keeps calling games like he did yesterday and the defense keeps holding opponents to low point production, he will have earned it regardless of the quality of opponent.

And that's coming from a guy who has been one of his harshest critics, which he also earned.

It will be interesting to see if he keeps up the aggression and stomping on the run when he gets a QB who knows what he is doing.

Packers D currently 10th in yards and 10th in points.

I mean we’ve maybe played the worst collective competition so far, but top 10’s more good than bad.

Got another awful O coming up with the Steelers. They are 28th in yards and 30th in points. Believe they have a handful for defensive touchdowns as well. Could see this game being like 6-3, lol

APB wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2023 07:14

If Barry keeps calling games like he did yesterday and the defense keeps holding opponents to low point production, he will have earned it regardless of the quality of opponent.

And that's coming from a guy who has been one of his harshest critics, which he also earned.

Of course the offenses we have faced lately are no juggernauts...

BF004 wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2023 07:26

Packers D currently 10th in yards and 10th in points.

I mean we’ve maybe played the worst collective competition so far, but top 10’s more good than bad.

Got another awful O coming up with the Steelers. They are 28th in yards and 30th in points. Believe they have a handful for defensive touchdowns as well. Could see this game being like 6-3, lol

Steelers are 31st in offensive points scored. Pickett is not good. The offensive coordinator is despised by Steeler fans beyond anything Packer fans have ever felt about Joe Barry.

Packers are 11th in defensive points allowed.

No reason for the D to NOT play just as aggressively next Sunday as they did yesterday.

LombardiTime wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2023 07:46

BF004 wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2023 07:26

Packers D currently 10th in yards and 10th in points.

I mean we’ve maybe played the worst collective competition so far, but top 10’s more good than bad.

Got another awful O coming up with the Steelers. They are 28th in yards and 30th in points. Believe they have a handful for defensive touchdowns as well. Could see this game being like 6-3, lol

Steelers are 31st in offensive points scored. Pickett is not good. The offensive coordinator is despised by Steeler fans beyond anything Packer fans have ever felt about Joe Barry.

Packers are 11th in defensive points allowed.

No reason for the D to NOT play just as aggressively next Sunday as they did yesterday.

32. Giants 11.2 ppg
31. Patriots 15.0 ppg
30. Steelers 16.6 ppg

Team PTS/G
1 Baltimore Ravens 13.8
2 Kansas City Chiefs 15.9
3 Cleveland Browns 17.4
4 San Francisco 49ers 17.5
5 Buffalo Bills 17.8
6 New York Jets 18.4
7 Dallas Cowboys 18.5
8 New Orleans Saints 19
9 Jacksonville Jaguars 19.5
10 Green Bay Packers 19.9

BF004 wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2023 07:58

LombardiTime wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2023 07:46

BF004 wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2023 07:26

Packers D currently 10th in yards and 10th in points.

I mean we’ve maybe played the worst collective competition so far, but top 10’s more good than bad.

Got another awful O coming up with the Steelers. They are 28th in yards and 30th in points. Believe they have a handful for defensive touchdowns as well. Could see this game being like 6-3, lol

Steelers are 31st in offensive points scored. Pickett is not good. The offensive coordinator is despised by Steeler fans beyond anything Packer fans have ever felt about Joe Barry.

Packers are 11th in defensive points allowed.

No reason for the D to NOT play just as aggressively next Sunday as they did yesterday.

32. Giants 11.2 ppg
31. Patriots 15.0 ppg
30. Steelers 16.6 ppg

Team PTS/G
1 Baltimore Ravens 13.8
2 Kansas City Chiefs 15.9
3 Cleveland Browns 17.4
4 San Francisco 49ers 17.5
5 Buffalo Bills 17.8
6 New York Jets 18.4
7 Dallas Cowboys 18.5
8 New Orleans Saints 19
9 Jacksonville Jaguars 19.5
10 Green Bay Packers 19.9

Steelers have 2 defensive touchdowns this season, skewing their ppg in a positive direction.

Pitt is 31st in OFFENSIVE ppg.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/o ... s-per-game

Pack is 11th in opposition's OFFENSIVE ppg.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/o ... s-per-game

We an quibble over what stats to use, but there is no disputing Pittsburgh's offense is bad, like really, really bad.

Adding to everything the defense has allowed 20 or fewer points in 5 of 8 and 25 or fewer points in 7 of 8 games. While the offenses they have faced have been far from juggernauts our own offense has not done them any favors at all.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2023 09:42

Adding to everything the defense has allowed 20 or fewer points in 5 of 8 and 25 or fewer points in 7 of 8 games. While the offenses they have faced have been far from juggernauts our own offense has not done them any favors at all.

Good points above, but I want to emphasize that, in my opinion, we need the D to play more like yesterday and less than it did in 5 or 6 of the previous games.

The Rams were depleted and Rypien was God awful, but we took advantage of that by playing aggressively and stepping on LA's throat. Giving up 19 or some other total of "20 or fewer points" should not have been the goal. Complete dominance like giving up only a 52-yard FG should have been the goal and if it was that goal it was accomplished.

We all knew the 2023 Packer O was going to be a work in progress. The established veteran presence, to the extent it exists, is on the D as are every 1st round pick outside of Jordan Love.

Give up 12 or fewer points to the now benched Jimmy G and the Raiders (like the Bears did) and the team is 4-4. Give up 23 or fewer points to the benched Desmond Ridder and the team is 5-3. Hold the Broncos to 16 points and GB is 6-2 and Packer fans are in a total different mind set about this
team.

Time to EXPECT the Green Bay Packer D to play aggressively and actually win games for the team, not just be mediocre enough not to lose them.

That is what the D did yesterday (and against New Orleans).

Let's see some more of that the rest of 2023.

100% I don't like how the defense has played the vast majority of this year. I want to see more of what we did on Sunday, more of the aggressive defense.

Interestingly enough the last team we held under 200 yards was the Rams last December.

LombardiTime wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2023 07:46

BF004 wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2023 07:26

Packers D currently 10th in yards and 10th in points.

I mean we’ve maybe played the worst collective competition so far, but top 10’s more good than bad.

Got another awful O coming up with the Steelers. They are 28th in yards and 30th in points. Believe they have a handful for defensive touchdowns as well. Could see this game being like 6-3, lol

Steelers are 31st in offensive points scored. Pickett is not good. The offensive coordinator is despised by Steeler fans beyond anything Packer fans have ever felt about Joe Barry.

Packers are 11th in defensive points allowed.

No reason for the D to NOT play just as aggressively next Sunday as they did yesterday.

Keep in mind, Dionte Johnson has only recently rejoined the lineup thus skewing those season stats just a bit. I'm not saying his addition makes them world beaters, just likely better than the season stats suggest.

I do agree about Matt Canada. He's not good. If it weren't for George Pickens, Johnson, and Jaylon Warren providing big plays from the multitude of short passes he calls, Kenny Pickett would look an awful lot like Rypien on the stat sheet.

Incidentally, I'll be at the game this weekend. Can't wait to feel the Heinz Field vibe and have some fun with their fan base!

All this talk about all the awful offenses we've faced this year also got me thinking, is this the worst collective Offensive output we've seen leaguewide in quite some time? There are very few Elite offenses around the league right now, and most of them sit in the AFC.

Acrobat wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2023 08:10

All this talk about all the awful offenses we've faced this year also got me thinking, is this the worst collective Offensive output we've seen leaguewide in quite some time? There are very few Elite offenses around the league right now, and most of them sit in the AFC.

It is definitely an era with poor offenses yes. And league-wide scoring is down as a reflection.

I mean when Kirk Cousins is your likely top QB alongside Jalen Hurts in the NFC...you know the conference is down.

go pak go wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2023 08:25

Acrobat wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2023 08:10

All this talk about all the awful offenses we've faced this year also got me thinking, is this the worst collective Offensive output we've seen leaguewide in quite some time? There are very few Elite offenses around the league right now, and most of them sit in the AFC.

It is definitely an era with poor offenses yes. And league-wide scoring is down as a reflection.

I mean when Kirk Cousins is your likely top QB alongside Jalen Hurts in the NFC...you know the conference is down.

Yep. So while my thought is that Barry needs to go, most likely every team is playing weak offenses and Qb's as a whole, so I guess we should probably take our rankings at face value and not "well we got lucky with our schedule".