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Re: Detroit Lions @ Green Bay Packers GDT - 9/20 - 12:00 CST
Posted: 22 Sep 2020 06:18
by go pak go
BSA wrote: ↑21 Sep 2020 23:44
#Packers Offensive Personnel vs DET
21p - 26 snaps
12p - 23 snaps
11p - 19 snaps
13p - 3 snaps
22p - 2 snaps
only 19 out of 73 snaps in 11 personnel
That means...
"we don't need no stinkin' WRs"
MLF only had 3 or more WR's on the field for 26% of the snaps - but he still played some 5 wide using RB's and TEs
I mean with EQ out....we only have 3 WRs. When Adams was out on Sunday, we only really had two WRs to even suit up unless we think Malik Taylor is ready.
Re: Detroit Lions @ Green Bay Packers GDT - 9/20 - 12:00 CST
Posted: 22 Sep 2020 06:47
by BF004
go pak go wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 06:18
BSA wrote: ↑21 Sep 2020 23:44
#Packers Offensive Personnel vs DET
21p - 26 snaps
12p - 23 snaps
11p - 19 snaps
13p - 3 snaps
22p - 2 snaps
only 19 out of 73 snaps in 11 personnel
That means...
"we don't need no stinkin' WRs"
MLF only had 3 or more WR's on the field for 26% of the snaps - but he still played some 5 wide using RB's and TEs
I mean with EQ out....we only have 3 WRs. When Adams was out on Sunday, we only really had two WRs to even suit up unless we think Malik Taylor is ready.
Was gunna say this same thing.
Although I also think those stats are also skewed with Tyler Ervin listed as a RB. Even if he isn’t a true WR, he also isn’t a true RB.
Re: Detroit Lions @ Green Bay Packers GDT - 9/20 - 12:00 CST
Posted: 22 Sep 2020 06:59
by APB
BF004 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 06:47
go pak go wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 06:18
BSA wrote: ↑21 Sep 2020 23:44
#Packers Offensive Personnel vs DET
21p - 26 snaps
12p - 23 snaps
11p - 19 snaps
13p - 3 snaps
22p - 2 snaps
only 19 out of 73 snaps in 11 personnel
That means...
"we don't need no stinkin' WRs"
MLF only had 3 or more WR's on the field for 26% of the snaps - but he still played some 5 wide using RB's and TEs
I mean with EQ out....we only have 3 WRs. When Adams was out on Sunday, we only really had two WRs to even suit up unless we think Malik Taylor is ready.
Was gunna say this same thing.
Although I also think those stats are also skewed with Tyler Ervin listed as a RB. Even if he isn’t a true WR, he also isn’t a true RB.
Yep, when Ervin and/or Jones line up outside, it's not like there's a huge WR dropoff. Both those guys are very capable receivers.
Re: Detroit Lions @ Green Bay Packers GDT - 9/20 - 12:00 CST
Posted: 22 Sep 2020 07:04
by BF004
But Jones is a RB who is a talented WR.
Ervin has essentially become a WR only.
My point being then 11, 21 personnel statistics aren’t as black and white as is being reported.
Re: Detroit Lions @ Green Bay Packers GDT - 9/20 - 12:00 CST
Posted: 22 Sep 2020 07:36
by Yoop
go pak go wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 06:17
Yoop wrote: ↑21 Sep 2020 23:41
Coach Matt LaFleur said his staff counted six drops on passes thrown by Aaron Rodgers during Sunday’s win.
“We had six,” LaFleur said. “We’re tough graders a lot, and expect a lot out of these guys, but you have to have a high standard to get where you want to go.”
LaFleur didn’t reveal specifics on the drops, but they weren’t hard to find in the tape. Tight end Jace Sternberger had two drops, both on easily catchable passes without a defender contesting the pass. Tight end Robert Tonyan was likely dinged for a drop on a pass that was knocked out of his hands in the first quarter. Receiver Marquez Valdes-Scantling appeared to mistime a jump and couldn’t bring in a potential touchdown pass in the end zone. Receiver Allen Lazard couldn’t finish on a throw over the middle and running back Aaron Jones bobbled a quick throw along the sideline.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/matt-lafle ... 57323.html
Thanks for that!
I don't remember the Lazard and Jones drops to save my life. We had all the other ones. Except I think they did miss the MVS drop on the quick WR screen.
who does, as I said it's impossible for me to remember every little play, and I expect it's impossible for even a young mind like yours to as well, and thats why I originally said 5 to 6 drops, and also why I generalize about some of the other stuff, the point is why can't we just have a conversation versus this insanity of every comment having to be backed up with data, when the comment was a generality in the first place, my point was that we over came the drops.
Re: Detroit Lions @ Green Bay Packers GDT - 9/20 - 12:00 CST
Posted: 22 Sep 2020 07:39
by Yoop
who here didn't think Jones would be used more in a receiver roll, seriously do we even need to have this conversation? did everyone here have blinders on last season?
Re: Detroit Lions @ Green Bay Packers GDT - 9/20 - 12:00 CST
Posted: 22 Sep 2020 07:40
by YoHoChecko
go pak go wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 06:18
BSA wrote: ↑21 Sep 2020 23:44
#Packers Offensive Personnel vs DET
21p - 26 snaps
12p - 23 snaps
11p - 19 snaps
13p - 3 snaps
22p - 2 snaps
only 19 out of 73 snaps in 11 personnel
That means...
"we don't need no stinkin' WRs"
MLF only had 3 or more WR's on the field for 26% of the snaps - but he still played some 5 wide using RB's and TEs
I mean with EQ out....we only have 3 WRs. When Adams was out on Sunday, we only really had two WRs to even suit up unless we think Malik Taylor is ready.
Honestly, this is what [mention]NCF[/mention] predicted last year, and I didn't buy it. He was just a year ahead of his time.
Re: Detroit Lions @ Green Bay Packers GDT - 9/20 - 12:00 CST
Posted: 22 Sep 2020 07:50
by go pak go
Yoop wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 07:36
go pak go wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 06:17
Yoop wrote: ↑21 Sep 2020 23:41
Coach Matt LaFleur said his staff counted six drops on passes thrown by Aaron Rodgers during Sunday’s win.
“We had six,” LaFleur said. “We’re tough graders a lot, and expect a lot out of these guys, but you have to have a high standard to get where you want to go.”
LaFleur didn’t reveal specifics on the drops, but they weren’t hard to find in the tape. Tight end Jace Sternberger had two drops, both on easily catchable passes without a defender contesting the pass. Tight end Robert Tonyan was likely dinged for a drop on a pass that was knocked out of his hands in the first quarter. Receiver Marquez Valdes-Scantling appeared to mistime a jump and couldn’t bring in a potential touchdown pass in the end zone. Receiver Allen Lazard couldn’t finish on a throw over the middle and running back Aaron Jones bobbled a quick throw along the sideline.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/matt-lafle ... 57323.html
Thanks for that!
I don't remember the Lazard and Jones drops to save my life. We had all the other ones. Except I think they did miss the MVS drop on the quick WR screen.
who does, as I said it's impossible for me to remember every little play, and I expect it's impossible for even a young mind like yours to as well, and thats why I originally said 5 to 6 drops, and also why I generalize about some of the other stuff, the point is why can't we just have a conversation versus this insanity of every comment having to be backed up with data, when the comment was a generality in the first place, my point was that we over came the drops.
Because this is a Packers forum. I come here to learn and know more about the Packers and so my response was simply a "hey let's try and have everyone help out and figure out all the drops."
It's not a "who's mind is sharper.". There are like 120 plays in a football game. We can't expect to remember them all. But that's why I come to a forum so other people can help out and we bounce ideas and then use data to support those ideas. Why data is important is because it confirms reality.
Because even my young mind forgets things or blows things out of proportion.
It sounds like the official stat boys agreed with my 4. MLF agreed with your 6. I'm guessing MLF counted the negated Sternberer drop for his grading (which makes sense). MLF also agreed with me that MVS's sideline play was an incredible catch so you were harsher on him on that play than MLF.
What I tend to find is everyone is a little right and everyone is a little wrong. But the whole point of this forum is I like to be entertained and talk on a deep level of my favorite subject in the world.
Re: Detroit Lions @ Green Bay Packers GDT - 9/20 - 12:00 CST
Posted: 22 Sep 2020 07:54
by BF004
Yoop wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 07:39
who here didn't think Jones would be used more in a receiver roll, seriously do we even need to have this conversation? did everyone here have blinders on last season?
Who here implied that?
Re: Detroit Lions @ Green Bay Packers GDT - 9/20 - 12:00 CST
Posted: 22 Sep 2020 07:55
by go pak go
YoHoChecko wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 07:40
go pak go wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 06:18
BSA wrote: ↑21 Sep 2020 23:44
#Packers Offensive Personnel vs DET
21p - 26 snaps
12p - 23 snaps
11p - 19 snaps
13p - 3 snaps
22p - 2 snaps
only 19 out of 73 snaps in 11 personnel
That means...
"we don't need no stinkin' WRs"
MLF only had 3 or more WR's on the field for 26% of the snaps - but he still played some 5 wide using RB's and TEs
I mean with EQ out....we only have 3 WRs. When Adams was out on Sunday, we only really had two WRs to even suit up unless we think Malik Taylor is ready.
Honestly, this is what @NCF predicted last year, and I didn't buy it. He was just a year ahead of his time.
I think there was a lot of us who were close to this.
I said multiple times last season that our WR room would look very similar to the 2019 WR room which made a lot of people mad.
[mention]YoHoChecko[/mention] and a few of us aid the importance and possibility if Ervin could be used in that slot role because he had that speed in our perimeter group nobody else had (outside of MVS)
And multiple of us said after the draft that fans were really just clueless of what the Packers really were trying to do after we drafted Dillon and Deguara as our first 2020 offensive weapons.
I also said during TC that I believed 5 WRs was certainly a lock over 7 WRs and also the most likely number of WRs we keep on the roster.
Re: Detroit Lions @ Green Bay Packers GDT - 9/20 - 12:00 CST
Posted: 22 Sep 2020 08:04
by YoHoChecko
go pak go wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 07:50
It sounds like the official stat boys agreed with my 4. MLF agreed with your 6. I'm guessing MLF counted the negated Sternberer drop for his grading (which makes sense). MLF also agreed with me that MVS's sideline play was an incredible catch so you were harsher on him on that play than MLF.
What I tend to find is everyone is a little right and everyone is a little wrong.
But I was the rightest
YoHoChecko wrote: ↑21 Sep 2020 09:08
I think depending on how you count "drops" we had anywhere from 3-6. One to Lazard and one to MVS might be counted as drops and might be counted as inaccurate throws and it just depends where you draw that line.
Re: Detroit Lions @ Green Bay Packers GDT - 9/20 - 12:00 CST
Posted: 22 Sep 2020 08:31
by Yoop
BF004 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 07:54
Yoop wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 07:39
who here didn't think Jones would be used more in a receiver roll, seriously do we even need to have this conversation? did everyone here have blinders on last season?
Who here implied that?
GPG
Re: Detroit Lions @ Green Bay Packers GDT - 9/20 - 12:00 CST
Posted: 22 Sep 2020 08:34
by go pak go
Yoop wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 08:31
BF004 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 07:54
Yoop wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 07:39
who here didn't think Jones would be used more in a receiver roll, seriously do we even need to have this conversation? did everyone here have blinders on last season?
Who here implied that?
GPG
Re: Detroit Lions @ Green Bay Packers GDT - 9/20 - 12:00 CST
Posted: 22 Sep 2020 08:42
by Yoop
go pak go wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 07:50
Yoop wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 07:36
go pak go wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 06:17
Thanks for that!
I don't remember the Lazard and Jones drops to save my life. We had all the other ones. Except I think they did miss the MVS drop on the quick WR screen.
who does, as I said it's impossible for me to remember every little play, and I expect it's impossible for even a young mind like yours to as well, and thats why I originally said 5 to 6 drops, and also why I generalize about some of the other stuff, the point is why can't we just have a conversation versus this insanity of every comment having to be backed up with data, when the comment was a generality in the first place, my point was that we over came the drops.
Because this is a Packers forum. I come here to learn and know more about the Packers and so my response was simply a "hey let's try and have everyone help out and figure out all the drops."
It's not a "who's mind is sharper.". There are like 120 plays in a football game. We can't expect to remember them all. But that's why I come to a forum so other people can help out and we bounce ideas and then use data to support those ideas. Why data is important is because it confirms reality.
Because even my young mind forgets things or blows things out of proportion.
It sounds like the official stat boys agreed with my 4. MLF agreed with your 6. I'm guessing MLF counted the negated Sternberer drop for his grading (which makes sense). MLF also agreed with me that MVS's sideline play was an incredible catch so you were harsher on him on that play than MLF.
What I tend to find is everyone is a little right and everyone is a little wrong. But the whole point of this forum is I like to be entertained and talk on a deep level of my favorite subject in the world.
just stop, this is what you wanted to tell me right from the start
This was definitely a drop in play from Rodgers this week. A few throws he'd like to have back.
I didn't want to argue this crap, so I said, your defending the WR's and left it at that, you came back to argue more, reality we had 5 to 6 drops, but I get the blame for being right and arguing my point, always.
Re: Detroit Lions @ Green Bay Packers GDT - 9/20 - 12:00 CST
Posted: 22 Sep 2020 08:43
by NCF
Yoop wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 08:42
I didn't want to argue this crap, so I said, your defending the WR's and left it at that, you came back to argue more, reality we had 5 to 6 drops, but I get the blame for being right and arguing my point, always.
Good. God. Man. Get the box of tissues out.
Re: Detroit Lions @ Green Bay Packers GDT - 9/20 - 12:00 CST
Posted: 22 Sep 2020 08:44
by Yoop
go pak go wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 08:34
Yoop wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 08:31
BF004 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 07:54
Who here implied that?
GPG
you discounted both as WR type players, YOU said we only suited 3 WR's, you said these things, own it. for christ sakes
Re: Detroit Lions @ Green Bay Packers GDT - 9/20 - 12:00 CST
Posted: 22 Sep 2020 08:46
by Yoop
NCF wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 08:43
Yoop wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 08:42
I didn't want to argue this crap, so I said, your defending the WR's and left it at that, you came back to argue more, reality we had 5 to 6 drops, but I get the blame for being right and arguing my point, always.
Good. God. Man. Get the box of tissues out.
tell GPG to get the tissues out, quit blaming me for the actions of others WTF
Re: Detroit Lions @ Green Bay Packers GDT - 9/20 - 12:00 CST
Posted: 22 Sep 2020 08:46
by Pckfn23
Yoop wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 08:44
you discounted both as WR type players, YOU said we only suited 3 WR's, you said these things, own it. for christ sakes
What does that have to do with Aaron Jones playing more receiver?
Re: Detroit Lions @ Green Bay Packers GDT - 9/20 - 12:00 CST
Posted: 22 Sep 2020 08:47
by NCF
Yoop wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 08:46
NCF wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 08:43
Yoop wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 08:42
I didn't want to argue this crap, so I said, your defending the WR's and left it at that, you came back to argue more, reality we had 5 to 6 drops, but I get the blame for being right and arguing my point, always.
Good. God. Man. Get the box of tissues out.
tell GPG to get the tissues out, quit blaming me for the actions of others WTF
Stop whining and maybe I will.
Re: Detroit Lions @ Green Bay Packers GDT - 9/20 - 12:00 CST
Posted: 22 Sep 2020 08:49
by Yoop
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 08:46
Yoop wrote: ↑22 Sep 2020 08:44
you discounted both as WR type players, YOU said we only suited 3 WR's, you said these things, own it. for christ sakes
What does that have to do with Aaron Jones playing more receiver?
maybe if you where to follow this conversation it would be more clear