Packers @ Seahawks GDT: Sunday, Dec. 15th, 7:20 PM CST

[Pugger]

I just wanna say that I REALLY want to leapfrog the Vikings in the standings. I'd much rather play the AFC South winner than the AFC West winner on the road--both for football reasons and for travel reasons.

Boy, that might be tough. We would have to win out and MN would have to also lose to Detroit for us to pass the Vikes.

[Drj820]

continue to under estimate the vikings all youd like. They have great recievers, a good rb, competent qb and a really promising young coach. I dont expect them to win the super bowl, but they are building something real and we wont catch them just because we are "the packers" and they are "the vikings"

[Papa John]

Yep 100%, the throw he missed to Doubs over the middle as he was rolling to his right needs to be made. There was no deep throw into double coverage.

His misses tonight should not be cause to lose faith in Love. Personally, I like that he takes deep shots to guys that are 1 on 1 even though they might not be 100% open. It's one thing I missed over the years. With a DB trying to play catch up that's a good decision. Now, alive does have to continue to work on his footwork to be better with those throws. No more off the back foot!

Perfection is not necessary to win the Super Bowl. No QB has been perfect in a Super Bowl win.

Always appreciate when you choose to engage in a more candid way, so thank you for that. I can respect that opinion, as the 1v1 deep shots were something that I missed during the Rodgers years. It did look to me like the deep ball was double coverage, but I’m willing to review it again. Perfection is not necessary, per se, but with the rule changes in recent years, you have to be near perfect if you want to outduel a guy like Mahomes, whom we’d have a good chance of facing if we made the Super Bowl (asssuming he can recover from injury). Even Jalen Hurts was near perfect in the Super Bowl and his team still lost. Bottom line, the plays that need to be made have to be made. That’s how Brady made himself. 23, I believe in this team. That is why I am hard on them. It pains me to see good teams leave opportunities on the table. All we have to do is clean up a bit of the slop that tears it ugly head once in awhile, and we are the most dangerous team in the league.

Mahomes was 21 for 27, 182 and 3 TDs in the Super Bowl. He missed a few.

Hurts was 27 for 38, 304 and 1 TD in the Super Bowl. He missed a few.

Neither of those 2 were closer to perfection compared to Love tonight.

Mahomes offense hasn't scored 30+ all season long. Mahomes is the 18th rated QB so far this year.

Jordan Love absolutely must continue to improve. Since getting healthy he has been doing that every week.

Every single team, almost every single week leaves opportunities on the table. It's easy to be overly critical because it's easy to see those missed opportunities, but also easy to miss that it happens to other teams too.

Unless a team wins something like 56-0 scoring a TD on every drive, there will be missed opportunities. Obviously we would like to see more consistency with the team, but the other team does get paid to play too. Seattle is a pretty good team. We doubled them up and then some.

Trust Love.

I trust Jordan Love to play with consistent athleticism. I trust him to make mostly correct, sound decisions with the football. As far as not making a bad decision at a critical moment in a high pressure game, I don't trust him yet. There were some very concerning decisions in that 4th quarter of the SF playoff game. Like you, I am optimistic that he can continue to improve. However, I am a "prove it to me" type of guy. It's great to be able to ball out in a regular season game when your RB is eating the other team's lunch. How will he do when the run game isn't clicking and the playoff W depends on his arm and decision making? We can project and predict, but at the end of the day the proof will be in the pudding IMO.

[BF004]

I love how Valentine and Cooper both dropped ints, then both came back and got one later.

[go pak go]

Always appreciate when you choose to engage in a more candid way, so thank you for that. I can respect that opinion, as the 1v1 deep shots were something that I missed during the Rodgers years. It did look to me like the deep ball was double coverage, but I’m willing to review it again. Perfection is not necessary, per se, but with the rule changes in recent years, you have to be near perfect if you want to outduel a guy like Mahomes, whom we’d have a good chance of facing if we made the Super Bowl (asssuming he can recover from injury). Even Jalen Hurts was near perfect in the Super Bowl and his team still lost. Bottom line, the plays that need to be made have to be made. That’s how Brady made himself. 23, I believe in this team. That is why I am hard on them. It pains me to see good teams leave opportunities on the table. All we have to do is clean up a bit of the slop that tears it ugly head once in awhile, and we are the most dangerous team in the league.

Mahomes was 21 for 27, 182 and 3 TDs in the Super Bowl. He missed a few.

Hurts was 27 for 38, 304 and 1 TD in the Super Bowl. He missed a few.

Neither of those 2 were closer to perfection compared to Love tonight.

Mahomes offense hasn't scored 30+ all season long. Mahomes is the 18th rated QB so far this year.

Jordan Love absolutely must continue to improve. Since getting healthy he has been doing that every week.

Every single team, almost every single week leaves opportunities on the table. It's easy to be overly critical because it's easy to see those missed opportunities, but also easy to miss that it happens to other teams too.

Unless a team wins something like 56-0 scoring a TD on every drive, there will be missed opportunities. Obviously we would like to see more consistency with the team, but the other team does get paid to play too. Seattle is a pretty good team. We doubled them up and then some.

Trust Love.

I trust Jordan Love to play with consistent athleticism. I trust him to make mostly correct, sound decisions with the football. As far as not making a bad decision at a critical moment in a high pressure game, I don't trust him yet. There were some very concerning decisions in that 4th quarter of the SF playoff game. Like you, I am optimistic that he can continue to improve. However, I am a "prove it to me" type of guy. It's great to be able to ball out in a regular season game when your RB is eating the other team's lunch. How will he do when the run game isn't clicking and the playoff W depends on his arm and decision making? We can project and predict, but at the end of the day the proof will be in the pudding IMO.

I had no issue with Love's decision making yesterday. I did have issue with two balls on accuracy.

The throw to Watson that got the DPI was grossly underthrown. Decent decision though.

The throw to Doubs over the middle before the Jacobs fumble was a terrible miss to a wide open WR. Otherwise the dude was very good yesterday.

The biggest offensive gaffs yesterday were: Watson not seeing the ball (drive killer), Reed falling down (drive killer), poor clock management (TD killer) and Jacobs fumble.

Honestly those 5 gaffs probably cost anywhere from 10 - 24 points....on a night we already scored 30.

[Backthepack4ever]

I just wanna say that I REALLY want to leapfrog the Vikings in the standings. I'd much rather play the AFC South winner than the AFC West winner on the road--both for football reasons and for travel reasons.

Boy, that might be tough. We would have to win out and MN would have to also lose to Detroit for us to pass the Vikes.

That would be really tough to play those AFC teams

Joking aside. I tend to agree. The out west teams don't scare me but travel is an issue. Only issue is we have sucked on Tampa.

Bring all on. Philly is the team to beat.

GPG

[NCF]

I love how Valentine and Cooper both dropped ints, then both came back and got one later.

I hate how Valentine and Cooper both dropped ints.

[Pckfn23]

Always appreciate when you choose to engage in a more candid way, so thank you for that. I can respect that opinion, as the 1v1 deep shots were something that I missed during the Rodgers years. It did look to me like the deep ball was double coverage, but I’m willing to review it again. Perfection is not necessary, per se, but with the rule changes in recent years, you have to be near perfect if you want to outduel a guy like Mahomes, whom we’d have a good chance of facing if we made the Super Bowl (asssuming he can recover from injury). Even Jalen Hurts was near perfect in the Super Bowl and his team still lost. Bottom line, the plays that need to be made have to be made. That’s how Brady made himself. 23, I believe in this team. That is why I am hard on them. It pains me to see good teams leave opportunities on the table. All we have to do is clean up a bit of the slop that tears it ugly head once in awhile, and we are the most dangerous team in the league.

Mahomes was 21 for 27, 182 and 3 TDs in the Super Bowl. He missed a few.

Hurts was 27 for 38, 304 and 1 TD in the Super Bowl. He missed a few.

Neither of those 2 were closer to perfection compared to Love tonight.

Mahomes offense hasn't scored 30+ all season long. Mahomes is the 18th rated QB so far this year.

Jordan Love absolutely must continue to improve. Since getting healthy he has been doing that every week.

Every single team, almost every single week leaves opportunities on the table. It's easy to be overly critical because it's easy to see those missed opportunities, but also easy to miss that it happens to other teams too.

Unless a team wins something like 56-0 scoring a TD on every drive, there will be missed opportunities. Obviously we would like to see more consistency with the team, but the other team does get paid to play too. Seattle is a pretty good team. We doubled them up and then some.

Trust Love.

I trust Jordan Love to play with consistent athleticism. I trust him to make mostly correct, sound decisions with the football. As far as not making a bad decision at a critical moment in a high pressure game, I don't trust him yet. There were some very concerning decisions in that 4th quarter of the SF playoff game. Like you, I am optimistic that he can continue to improve. However, I am a "prove it to me" type of guy. It's great to be able to ball out in a regular season game when your RB is eating the other team's lunch. How will he do when the run game isn't clicking and the playoff W depends on his arm and decision making? We can project and predict, but at the end of the day the proof will be in the pudding IMO.

Love all that. Agree with almost all of that. Your original comment was a bit perplexing given last night's game.

[YoHoChecko]

I trust Jordan Love to play with consistent athleticism. I trust him to make mostly correct, sound decisions with the football. As far as not making a bad decision at a critical moment in a high pressure game, I don't trust him yet. There were some very concerning decisions in that 4th quarter of the SF playoff game. Like you, I am optimistic that he can continue to improve. However, I am a "prove it to me" type of guy. It's great to be able to ball out in a regular season game when your RB is eating the other team's lunch. How will he do when the run game isn't clicking and the playoff W depends on his arm and decision making? We can project and predict, but at the end of the day the proof will be in the pudding IMO.

Love all that. Agree with almost all of that. Your original comment was a bit perplexing given last night's game.

I think this is very valid; and it's not just the SF game.

Now., I am not saying this is a weakness. I remember early in Rodgers' career they said he was a bit of a choker... until he didn't and won a Super Bowl. And even then the narrative was worse than the reality.

I think if you look at our 1.5 years of Love, you can see some times like the '23 Steelers game and the '23 SF playoff game and the end of the second '24 Lions game and maybe a couple other examples and say "man, I really think the next step is to see Love gut those types of games out and make the big plays at the moments we need them"

And that small marginal change happening or not will determine if Love is a competent multi-year franchise QB for a good team or if he's our 3rd straight hall of famer.

[lupedafiasco]

Agree with GPG on Loves decision making vs his accuracy last night. Particularly on the deep shots to Watson in which one was caught on the sideline and the other was a DPI. Watson made incredible plays but Love easily throws TDs if they weren’t underthrown IMO. He missed the critical one over the middle to Doubs where if he just sets his feet with no one around him he probably throws a strike.

You’re going to miss but those are plays he needs to make when you get in a duel against teams like Philly, Detroit, Buffalo, or Baltimore. You might even have to do that against Minny. You can’t afford to miss like that especially on the deep shots that should be big scores.

[go pak go]

The biggest improvement I saw from Love yesterday was ability to handle the blitz. The Hawks brought pressure a few times and did it very effectively where a free runner was getting to the QB.

Unlike vs Detroit, Love did a fantastic job of buying enough time and finding the checkdown whether it be Jacobs in a screen or Reed out wide. Many of these plays resulted in a 8 yard gain. Goff did this vs us last week. Great to see Love do it vs the Hawks. He needs to keep that going to be elite.

[go pak go]

And to be clear, Love had two wow plays. Both of them were TDs to Doubs. Just ridiculous throws.

[Pckfn23]

Steps into the throw. Delivers it right where it needs to be.

[NCF]

Steps into the throw. Delivers it right where it needs to be.

Yeah, this is the one I was thinking of.

[go pak go]

Steps into the throw. Delivers it right where it needs to be.

Let's be honest. It's a touchdown if he throws it 5 yards deeper. He didn't need to squeeze it in the window he put it in. Watson did a great job of turning around, catching it, and getting his feet in.

Watson had the CB and Safety beat.

[Yoop]

continue to under estimate the vikings all youd like. They have great recievers, a good rb, competent qb and a really promising young coach. I dont expect them to win the super bowl, but they are building something real and we wont catch them just because we are "the packers" and they are "the vikings"

why not? that's how it normally works it's karma, we gots it, and they don't

[Yoop]

Steps into the throw. Delivers it right where it needs to be.

Let's be honest. It's a touchdown if he throws it 5 yards deeper. He didn't need to squeeze it in the window he put it in. Watson did a great job of turning around, catching it, and getting his feet in.

Watson had the CB and Safety beat.

Love seems to think he can do the stuff A Rod did and get away with it, and as of yet he's just not that gifted, when he sets up and steps into it he can be very accurate, when he doesn't, he isn't.

I love how some here defend everything he does, and if ya get honest with them they double down on the defense stuff, it's their fantasy, and they deserve to have a fantasy, heck they own the dang team for crying out loud

[Yoop]

Agree with GPG on Loves decision making vs his accuracy last night. Particularly on the deep shots to Watson in which one was caught on the sideline and the other was a DPI. Watson made incredible plays but Love easily throws TDs if they weren’t underthrown IMO. He missed the critical one over the middle to Doubs where if he just sets his feet with no one around him he probably throws a strike.

You’re going to miss but those are plays he needs to make when you get in a duel against teams like Philly, Detroit, Buffalo, or Baltimore. You might even have to do that against Minny. You can’t afford to miss like that especially on the deep shots that should be big scores.

my thoughts exactly, for as great as Love is at times, he just seems half a bubble off at other times, poor tech ends up short a few yards on deep patterns, and his ball placement on short stuff often is off the mark, agree, against the tougher defenses this could come back to bite us

[APB]

I think several on this forum suffer from years of Godgers conditioning...

[Yoop]

The biggest improvement I saw from Love yesterday was ability to handle the blitz. The Hawks brought pressure a few times and did it very effectively where a free runner was getting to the QB.

Unlike vs Detroit, Love did a fantastic job of buying enough time and finding the checkdown whether it be Jacobs in a screen or Reed out wide. Many of these plays resulted in a 8 yard gain. Goff did this vs us last week. Great to see Love do it vs the Hawks. He needs to keep that going to be elite.

that was really impressive, so much better than early last year, didn't get raddled, kept his eyes on his check down options and pulled that trigger, that's the Love we've been waiting to see.