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Re: Black Monday - Coaching Changes
Posted: 09 Jan 2023 15:20
by Labrev
Yoop wrote: ↑09 Jan 2023 15:08
I agree, but why would Evero leave Denver, except to land a HC gig?
We'll see if he gets any offers for HC, but part of MLF's job is to hire quality coordinators; that includes selling them the idea of coaching here where they may not have otherwise been interested.
Re: Black Monday - Coaching Changes
Posted: 09 Jan 2023 15:22
by go pak go
Labrev wrote: ↑09 Jan 2023 15:20
Yoop wrote: ↑09 Jan 2023 15:08
I agree, but why would Evero leave Denver, except to land a HC gig?
We'll see if he gets any offers for HC, but part of MLF's job is to attract quality coordinators; that includes selling them the idea of coaching here where they may not have otherwise been interested.
The more we fire coordinators...the harder it is going to be to attract coordinators.
"Hey welcome to Green Bay where I have fired 2 STs Coordinators and 2 Defensive Coordinators in 4 seasons. Oh and I think I might be demoting my Offensive Coordinator too....so when do you want to start?"
Re: Black Monday - Coaching Changes
Posted: 09 Jan 2023 15:36
by Yoop
Labrev wrote: ↑09 Jan 2023 15:20
Yoop wrote: ↑09 Jan 2023 15:08
I agree, but why would Evero leave Denver, except to land a HC gig?
We'll see if he gets any offers for HC, but part of MLF's job is to hire quality coordinators; that includes selling them the idea of coaching here where they may not have otherwise been interested.
thats not as simple as it sounds, I'am thinking Matt had to corner Russ Ball in his office and threaten bodily harm to land Bisaccia, imo it's why we do so much of the promote from within, we start them with low pay, and they accept what we give to stay, as soon as the recognized they leave for better money, not always obviously, but I still think it's the driving for for promoting Stenavich over bringing in a better , more experienced OC last year.
Re: Black Monday - Coaching Changes
Posted: 09 Jan 2023 16:28
by AmishMafia
Drj820 wrote: ↑09 Jan 2023 09:17
AmishMafia wrote: ↑09 Jan 2023 08:55
MLF has made some mistakes. But he is young and extremely successful. He is evolving and will get better as the years go on. There is no way we let him go.
Gute has likewise been very successful. His drafts have been very bold - still am impressed with the Jaire draft as the best "working if a draft board" by a GM. His FA moves have been well above average. His biggest black mark is resigning Rodgers. Going back in time we trade him to the broncos for 2 1s and 2 2nds. Which would likely be top 10 picks and we would be sitting very nicely.
Berry - yup gotta go. Off coverage on 4th and 2? I just don't get it. I understand he has a "don't get beat deep concept" - but change it up on 4th and 2!
Rodgers - he just plain old lost it. His excuses are getting old and he knows it. A couple of nice throws but a few really bad ones that got picked. Doesn't have the arm strength or accuracy beyond 20 yds. Time to hang them up.
Going forward I think what we need most of all on defense is some player leadership.
Let’s see how successful these guys are without 12.
Prior to MLF, Rodgers led team won 13 games in 2 seasons. Rodgers wasn't able to carry the team then and he certainly can't now. With MLF they won 13 in each of the next 3 seasons.
I'm not worried. With Rodgers we are below 500 and he is at a point where he can't elevate his team. Bring on the Love.
Re: Black Monday - Coaching Changes
Posted: 11 Jan 2023 20:08
by BF004
Re: Black Monday - Coaching Changes
Posted: 11 Jan 2023 21:05
by Cdragon
Panthers should hang on to interim HC Wilks. He took over a dumpster fire and went 6-6 after they dumped one of the greatest players they ever had in McCaffery
Sean Payton
Posted: 15 Jan 2023 19:04
by RingoCStarrQB
What's taking the Packers so long to hire Sean Payton?
Re: Sean Payton
Posted: 15 Jan 2023 20:16
by wallyuwl
RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑15 Jan 2023 19:04
What's taking the Packers so long to hit Sean Payton?
Should have kept MM.
Re: Black Monday - Coaching Changes
Posted: 15 Jan 2023 20:18
by Raptorman
BF004 wrote: ↑11 Jan 2023 20:08
I hope Ed Donatell makes that list.
Re: Sean Payton
Posted: 16 Jan 2023 08:46
by Half Empty
wallyuwl wrote: ↑15 Jan 2023 20:16
RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑15 Jan 2023 19:04
What's taking the Packers so long to hit Sean Payton?
Should have kept MM.
Because...?
Re: Sean Payton
Posted: 16 Jan 2023 13:59
by RingoCStarrQB
Half Empty wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023 08:46
wallyuwl wrote: ↑15 Jan 2023 20:16
RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑15 Jan 2023 19:04
What's taking the Packers so long to hit Sean Payton?
Should have kept MM.
Because...?
Because LaFleur's football vibe is rated a D. There's nothing left to get excited about. He lacks the ability to inspire greatness.
Re: Black Monday - Coaching Changes
Posted: 16 Jan 2023 14:15
by Drj820
How long until Matt hires mike for some role on the staff
Re: Sean Payton
Posted: 16 Jan 2023 14:18
by Yoop
RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023 13:59
Half Empty wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023 08:46
wallyuwl wrote: ↑15 Jan 2023 20:16
Should have kept MM.
Because...?
Because LaFleur's football vibe is rated a D. There's nothing left to get excited about. He lacks the ability to inspire greatness.
from who, in order to inspire greatness first you have to have players capable enough to be great, and that sure as hell wasn't Lazard or MVS, nor is it guys like Dequara or the other jags that have revolved through the doors of 1265
don't know why fans think Lafluer isn't a capable coach, or that the offensive schemes he brought to the team are less then sound ball management schemes that better skill position players or blocking can't produce better success.
If fans can't see the similarity" between what was on display from the 49ers Saturday and Lafluers offenses even with just Adam and Jones prior to this dismal season go buy some glasses.
Re: Sean Payton
Posted: 16 Jan 2023 14:32
by Pckfn23
RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023 13:59
Half Empty wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023 08:46
wallyuwl wrote: ↑15 Jan 2023 20:16
Should have kept MM.
Because...?
Because LaFleur's football vibe is rated a D. There's nothing left to get excited about. He lacks the ability to inspire greatness.
Have you forgotten about Mike "Massage" McCarthy? 2017 and 2018 were something to get excited about?
I don't understand the pining for Mike McCarthy, not even a little. I liked the guy as a person and coach, but his time here became very stale.
Re: Black Monday - Coaching Changes
Posted: 16 Jan 2023 17:14
by Labrev
Sean Payton is an elite coach. I beg to differ with this idea that Payton is just McCarthy, he's head-and-shoulders better than Mac. I would love to have him here.
NO has his rights though and wants a 1st for him. Not that coaching isn't important, but player talent is still significantly more important to team success. I would love to have him over MLF.
I don't give up a 1st for him. I could maybe do it if we traded Rodgers within the next few days (i.e. before some team acquires Payton) if we got a late 1st for him, but that ain't happening.
And yeah, it would not be a good look to other coaches we may want to hire at HC in the near future or coordinator positions. Like it or not, MLF has earned some job security. I do think there's reason to believe he's a better coach than you see when Rodgers subsumes his playbook to go play hero ball.
Re: Black Monday - Coaching Changes
Posted: 16 Jan 2023 17:22
by BF004
Not saying i disagree or not, but why is Peyton better than McCarthy?
Other than just the grass is greener. What does he, has he, will he do that is better than McCarthy? Anything tangible? Or just because.
Re: Black Monday - Coaching Changes
Posted: 16 Jan 2023 17:26
by texas
Payton's record is pretty much the same as MM's. When MM got here he was a great coach although he definitely tailed off.
Imo, the best coaches right now are Shanahan, McVay, and Belichick. I'd probably go with Shanahan overall tbh. I think we did well to get someone from that group, and it entirely remains to be seen what happens when he gets full control of a team, because no, him being HC but also having Rodgers means that he does not have full control. He can tweak certain things and make certain personnel calls but this offense is a result of a negotiation, and until it's not, we won't know if MLF is good or not.
Re: Black Monday - Coaching Changes
Posted: 16 Jan 2023 17:40
by Drj820
Sean Payton quit (not fired) and team wants a first rounder for him.
MM was booted before the season was even over. (Low as it gets)
Tells ya all ya need to know
Re: Black Monday - Coaching Changes
Posted: 16 Jan 2023 17:52
by Labrev
Payton is better despite similar records on-paper because Payton's side of the ball (offense) always performs well, even in their down seasons.
His offenses were good, even great, in losing seasons; it's just that NO's defenses those years were historically bad (and they correctly fired the coaches responsible, i.e. the D-Coords, not Payton) so his good offenses couldn't outscore the opponent.
In McCarthy's bad years, the offenses (his responsibility) were bad. Not sure if that was the case in Dallas last year; I was not paying attention. And frankly, he got away with a lot of mediocrity after 2011, Rodgers winning with pure talent after we would get off to slow starts every year, until we could no longer rely on 12 going Godgers mode.
If Payton comes back and his offense sucks, it will be a first for him.
Re: Black Monday - Coaching Changes
Posted: 16 Jan 2023 18:22
by Pckfn23
Labrev wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023 17:52
Payton is better despite similar records on-paper because Payton's side of the ball (offense) always performs well, even in their down seasons.
His offenses were good, even great, in losing seasons; it's just that NO's defenses those years were historically bad (and they correctly fired the coaches responsible, i.e. the D-Coords, not Payton) so his good offenses couldn't outscore the opponent.
In McCarthy's bad years, the offenses (his responsibility) were bad. Not sure if that was the case in Dallas last year; I was not paying attention. And frankly, he got away with a lot of mediocrity after 2011, Rodgers winning with pure talent after we would get off to slow starts every year, until we could no longer rely on 12 going Godgers mode.
If Payton comes back and his offense sucks, it will be a first for him.
It could be said that it was mostly Brees for Payton as 2006 to 2020 were all top 10ish offenses, but 2021, without Brees, was a bottom half offense.