Re: Aaron Jones to Return To Green Bay in 23
Posted: 17 Feb 2023 14:35
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Re: Aaron Jones to Return To Green Bay in 23
Posted: 17 Feb 2023 15:06
Pretty sure I read somewhere Aaron Jones is on track to break a Packers record in 2023. Let's hope he stays healthy and strong. Go Packers !
Re: Aaron Jones to Return To Green Bay in 23
Posted: 17 Feb 2023 17:36
Re: Aaron Jones to Return To Green Bay in 23
Posted: 17 Feb 2023 18:57
re read his post, it's pretty inflammatory in it's own self, I'am not some stupid fan, and our GM, like me, is willing to pay for a a player who has produced so well.
Lupe didn't want to resign him a couple years back, period, most wanted to resign him IF the contract was a bargain, some of us, including myself figured it would be a fair deal and we had no hesitation, so forgive me for blowing the horn for the very few of us who gave Brian a blank check, and have never had to regret our decision
there was a article out recently that does a injustice to RB's it targets the few cheap RB's who play for a PO team, and how paying to much for a RB is a waste of cap money, well possibly there is some truth to that, however our track record suggest we only got away with that once, and we had 3 PB type receivers to do it.
we have achieved a pretty close balance of run/pass, actually our RB's produce over a 1/3 of our offense, and Jones the largest share, and he'll be doing that cheaper then RB's that produce less, so I disagree with Lupe or anyone that thinks RB's don't earn 10 mil annual.
Re: Aaron Jones to Return To Green Bay in 23
Posted: 17 Feb 2023 19:36
They’ll never admit it Yoop, best to just let it go. I got my football iq questioned for thinking it would have been a good idea to trim the old guys off the roster so we could pay a great packer..Corey Linsley. Tough crowd around here.Yoop wrote: ↑17 Feb 2023 18:57re read his post, it's pretty inflammatory in it's own self, I'am not some stupid fan, and our GM, like me, is willing to pay for a a player who has produced so well.
Lupe didn't want to resign him a couple years back, period, most wanted to resign him IF the contract was a bargain, some of us, including myself figured it would be a fair deal and we had no hesitation, so forgive me for blowing the horn for the very few of us who gave Brian a blank check, and have never had to regret our decision
there was a article out recently that does a injustice to RB's it targets the few cheap RB's who play for a PO team, and how paying to much for a RB is a waste of cap money, well possibly there is some truth to that, however our track record suggest we only got away with that once, and we had 3 PB type receivers to do it.
we have achieved a pretty close balance of run/pass, actually our RB's produce over a 1/3 of our offense, and Jones the largest share, and he'll be doing that cheaper then RB's that produce less, so I disagree with Lupe or anyone that thinks RB's don't earn 10 mil annual.
Re: Aaron Jones to Return To Green Bay in 23
Posted: 17 Feb 2023 19:40
I have no problem resigning Jones. I’m fact I would have done so myself but that’s because I wouldn’t have drafted Dillon. The minute we took Dillon we needed to commit to him. You can’t take a RB in the 2nd round and just leave him as a backup. That’s terrible value. Sometimes you got to let a player go if there’s a replacement in line. See the QB situation.
Re: Aaron Jones to Return To Green Bay in 23
Posted: 17 Feb 2023 20:00
I also thought drafting Dillon would seal Jones fate in GB. I can only assume Jones has just made himself uncuttable in GB with the value he brings. Kind of like what Rodgers did once Love was drafting using a 1 and a 4.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑17 Feb 2023 19:40I have no problem resigning Jones. I’m fact I would have done so myself but that’s because I wouldn’t have drafted Dillon. The minute we took Dillon we needed to commit to him. You can’t take a RB in the 2nd round and just leave him as a backup. That’s terrible value. Sometimes you got to let a player go if there’s a replacement in line. See the QB situation.
For those keeping score, that is now a 1 in Love that hasn’t been useful, a 4 in Love that hasn’t been useful, a 2 in Dillon when kylin Hill looked like a playmaker to me, a 4 for Love, number 12 overal sat for two years, played one, then tore his knee, and every 3rd rounder ever drafted being wasted too.
Not ideal.
Trade Dillon
Edit: actually I just changed my mind, I want to see if we will actually use Dillon and Jones properly once rodgers is shipped out of town.
Btw, why are we waiting on 12 to come out of his hole to make a move?
Re: Aaron Jones to Return To Green Bay in 23
Posted: 17 Feb 2023 20:49
Because he's basically evolved into being a weird hole. Yep ......... he's in a weird hole and he's a freakin' strange hole. Just a hole.Drj820 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2023 20:00I also thought drafting Dillon would seal Jones fate in GB. I can only assume Jones has just made himself uncuttable in GB with the value he brings. Kind of like what Rodgers did once Love was drafting using a 1 and a 4.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑17 Feb 2023 19:40I have no problem resigning Jones. I’m fact I would have done so myself but that’s because I wouldn’t have drafted Dillon. The minute we took Dillon we needed to commit to him. You can’t take a RB in the 2nd round and just leave him as a backup. That’s terrible value. Sometimes you got to let a player go if there’s a replacement in line. See the QB situation.
For those keeping score, that is now a 1 in Love that hasn’t been useful, a 4 in Love that hasn’t been useful, a 2 in Dillon when kylin Hill looked like a playmaker to me, a 4 for Love, number 12 overal sat for two years, played one, then tore his knee, and every 3rd rounder ever drafted being wasted too.
Not ideal.
Trade Dillon
Edit: actually I just changed my mind, I want to see if we will actually use Dillon and Jones properly once rodgers is shipped out of town.
Btw, why are we waiting on 12 to come out of his hole to make a move?
Re: Aaron Jones to Return To Green Bay in 23
Posted: 17 Feb 2023 21:29
between Dillon and Jones where getting over 2K, so I dont care where Dillon was drafted, Lafleurs offensive goals was to have a slasher like Jones and a pounder like Dillon, don't know what Dillons contract is but I'am sure it's cheap.Drj820 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2023 20:00I also thought drafting Dillon would seal Jones fate in GB. I can only assume Jones has just made himself uncuttable in GB with the value he brings. Kind of like what Rodgers did once Love was drafting using a 1 and a 4.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑17 Feb 2023 19:40I have no problem resigning Jones. I’m fact I would have done so myself but that’s because I wouldn’t have drafted Dillon. The minute we took Dillon we needed to commit to him. You can’t take a RB in the 2nd round and just leave him as a backup. That’s terrible value. Sometimes you got to let a player go if there’s a replacement in line. See the QB situation.
For those keeping score, that is now a 1 in Love that hasn’t been useful, a 4 in Love that hasn’t been useful, a 2 in Dillon when kylin Hill looked like a playmaker to me, a 4 for Love, number 12 overal sat for two years, played one, then tore his knee, and every 3rd rounder ever drafted being wasted too.
Not ideal.
Trade Dillon
Edit: actually I just changed my mind, I want to see if we will actually use Dillon and Jones properly once rodgers is shipped out of town.
Btw, why are we waiting on 12 to come out of his hole to make a move?
not sure what you mean by properly, we've been giving them 25 to 30 touches depending on success, with about 55 to 60 offensive plays a game thats about half.
we had a ton of disfunction last season, taking shots at the coach when so much that went wrong was out of his control is short sighted to me, course like QB, they get the blame or the glory.
I think when ya look back it's easy for a fan to find something wrong with every season, last year just had a cumulative affect of youth, injury, loss of Adams, constable of defense Joe Barry ( Lafleur will ride or hide with his chosen one)
Re: Aaron Jones to Return To Green Bay in 23
Posted: 18 Feb 2023 03:15
Having both Dillon and Jones is a good thing. RB's take a pounding and its pretty rare to not miss several games. If you expect to make the playoffs then you need 2 starting quality RB's so that 1 will be healthy for those playoff games.
Re: Aaron Jones to Return To Green Bay in 23
Posted: 18 Feb 2023 04:21
It's sort of like groundhog day. If he sees his shadow he will play another year for the Packers.Drj820 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2023 20:00I also thought drafting Dillon would seal Jones fate in GB. I can only assume Jones has just made himself uncuttable in GB with the value he brings. Kind of like what Rodgers did once Love was drafting using a 1 and a 4.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑17 Feb 2023 19:40I have no problem resigning Jones. I’m fact I would have done so myself but that’s because I wouldn’t have drafted Dillon. The minute we took Dillon we needed to commit to him. You can’t take a RB in the 2nd round and just leave him as a backup. That’s terrible value. Sometimes you got to let a player go if there’s a replacement in line. See the QB situation.
For those keeping score, that is now a 1 in Love that hasn’t been useful, a 4 in Love that hasn’t been useful, a 2 in Dillon when kylin Hill looked like a playmaker to me, a 4 for Love, number 12 overal sat for two years, played one, then tore his knee, and every 3rd rounder ever drafted being wasted too.
Not ideal.
Trade Dillon
Edit: actually I just changed my mind, I want to see if we will actually use Dillon and Jones properly once rodgers is shipped out of town.
Btw, why are we waiting on 12 to come out of his hole to make a move?
Re: Aaron Jones to Return To Green Bay in 23
Posted: 18 Feb 2023 04:56
Dillon has been stealing carries from jones because of his draft slot.
Was a dumb draft pick.
Tweedle dee and tweedle dumb thought they had their pair in Love and Dillon.
Instead they keep begging the starters in rodgers and jones to stay.
Was a dumb draft pick.
Tweedle dee and tweedle dumb thought they had their pair in Love and Dillon.
Instead they keep begging the starters in rodgers and jones to stay.
Re: Aaron Jones to Return To Green Bay in 23
Posted: 18 Feb 2023 08:28
Looks like him returning in 2024 as well is a lot more likely as well.
‘Only’ a $5M cap savings next year with a release.
Although gotta take $7m on the chin in ‘25 if we just let him walk then.
But big time move for 2023, bigger savings than if we just released him or kicked the can as much we can. Gunna make this offseason a lot easier.
‘Only’ a $5M cap savings next year with a release.
Although gotta take $7m on the chin in ‘25 if we just let him walk then.
But big time move for 2023, bigger savings than if we just released him or kicked the can as much we can. Gunna make this offseason a lot easier.
Re: Aaron Jones to Return To Green Bay in 23
Posted: 18 Feb 2023 08:54
My best guess is Jones plays this year on the current deal and then we sign him to a 3 or 4 year extension to smooth out his cap.BF004 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2023 08:28Looks like him returning in 2024 as well is a lot more likely as well.
‘Only’ a $5M cap savings next year with a release.
Although gotta take $7m on the chin in ‘25 if we just let him walk then.
But big time move for 2023, bigger savings than if we just released him or kicked the can as much we can. Gunna make this offseason a lot easier.
Re: Aaron Jones to Return To Green Bay in 23
Posted: 18 Feb 2023 19:03
Does a car need oil and gas?Yoop wrote: ↑17 Feb 2023 11:03are you a fan of winning? Jones provides a 1/4 of our production.Scott4Pack wrote: ↑17 Feb 2023 08:46In effect, doesn’t this just kick the can one year down the road? Yeah, we’ll keep AJ in 2023. But they’ll have to renegotiate again next year or release him (WITH a cap hit).
I’m not a fan of the phantom years on contracts as that creates a snowball to avalanche that’ll be hard to overcome.
Re: Aaron Jones to Return To Green Bay in 23
Posted: 19 Feb 2023 11:49
Re: Aaron Jones to Return To Green Bay in 23
Posted: 19 Feb 2023 12:34
They are such different backs and IMO you need more than one. One of the reasons RBs have short careers is because they are run into the ground. Plus a change of pace is a good thing. I do wish we had them out there together more.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑17 Feb 2023 19:40I have no problem resigning Jones. I’m fact I would have done so myself but that’s because I wouldn’t have drafted Dillon. The minute we took Dillon we needed to commit to him. You can’t take a RB in the 2nd round and just leave him as a backup. That’s terrible value. Sometimes you got to let a player go if there’s a replacement in line. See the QB situation.
Re: Aaron Jones to Return To Green Bay in 23
Posted: 19 Feb 2023 13:55
Dual threat running back combos can kill any defensive strategy. Look at what Joe Washington and John Riggins were able to accomplish in DC in 1983. Don Warren and Rick Walker were good enough TEs. The HOGS dominated the line of scrimmage (2 HOFers). Oh and they had Art Monk and Charlie Brown (Gary Clark and Ricky Sanders and Clint Didier weren't there yet). This is the kind of offensive team the 2023 Packers need to emulate. Jones and Dillon in the backfield is a good running start, but not the entire required package.Pugger wrote: ↑19 Feb 2023 12:34They are such different backs and IMO you need more than one. One of the reasons RBs have short careers is because they are run into the ground. Plus a change of pace is a good thing. I do wish we had them out there together more.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑17 Feb 2023 19:40I have no problem resigning Jones. I’m fact I would have done so myself but that’s because I wouldn’t have drafted Dillon. The minute we took Dillon we needed to commit to him. You can’t take a RB in the 2nd round and just leave him as a backup. That’s terrible value. Sometimes you got to let a player go if there’s a replacement in line. See the QB situation.
Pugger and Yoop likely remember this from 1984:
Re: Aaron Jones to Return To Green Bay in 23
Posted: 19 Feb 2023 19:59
I agree you need more than one but just look across the league. You can get your RB2 anywhere in the draft. Hell you can get your RB1 anywhere too. Kylin Hill probably was unhappy with his role and lack of touches but he would have made a great #2. It’s been my gripe all of Gutenbumst career. He doesn’t manage his resources well at all. I don’t have a problem with strengthening a position group of you don’t have glaring weaknesses year and year.Pugger wrote: ↑19 Feb 2023 12:34They are such different backs and IMO you need more than one. One of the reasons RBs have short careers is because they are run into the ground. Plus a change of pace is a good thing. I do wish we had them out there together more.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑17 Feb 2023 19:40I have no problem resigning Jones. I’m fact I would have done so myself but that’s because I wouldn’t have drafted Dillon. The minute we took Dillon we needed to commit to him. You can’t take a RB in the 2nd round and just leave him as a backup. That’s terrible value. Sometimes you got to let a player go if there’s a replacement in line. See the QB situation.
As for having both on the field I feel like it’s bad offense. Anytime you put Dillon the field the offense is worth. You take Jones off who is better. You take a blocker off the field who is better at that job than Dillon. You take a receiver off the field who is better at that job than Dillon. I just don’t think it’s proven to be very effective.
Re: Aaron Jones to Return To Green Bay in 23
Posted: 20 Feb 2023 15:40
Dillon's value is multi-faceted. A change of pace as noted by others...but there's more on the strategic side
When Aaron Jones is on the field, the defense will counter with nickle most of the time.
But if they go light when Dillon is on the field, the Packers will gash them. That's the biggest difference in how teams play Dillon vs Jones
Dillon forces the defense to go heavier in the box...and that makes it easier to pass. Jones is 100 % awesome, but the DCs don't adjust their personnel package based on him. But they do for Dillon. And by having both RBs out there, it puts the DC in a real bind in terms of matching personnel.
The other part of Dillon's value is in closing out games. MLF wants to keep Jones fresh all year and so rather than pounding Jones at the end of games, they prefer to use the battering ram, Dillon. Unfortunately, GB wasn't closing out as many games as they had the previous seasons.
We'll see what happens in 2023.
When Aaron Jones is on the field, the defense will counter with nickle most of the time.
But if they go light when Dillon is on the field, the Packers will gash them. That's the biggest difference in how teams play Dillon vs Jones
Dillon forces the defense to go heavier in the box...and that makes it easier to pass. Jones is 100 % awesome, but the DCs don't adjust their personnel package based on him. But they do for Dillon. And by having both RBs out there, it puts the DC in a real bind in terms of matching personnel.
The other part of Dillon's value is in closing out games. MLF wants to keep Jones fresh all year and so rather than pounding Jones at the end of games, they prefer to use the battering ram, Dillon. Unfortunately, GB wasn't closing out as many games as they had the previous seasons.
We'll see what happens in 2023.