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Re: Round 1 Pick 13 - Lukas Van Ness
Posted: 27 Apr 2023 21:45
by Pckfn23
wallyuwl wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 21:42
BF004 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 21:38
So comparisons to Kampman, Clay and TJ Watt.
I mean we are better than this, aren't we?
The Watt comp is valid. So is Gary. Maybe Fletcher Cox?
Not TJ Watt really. 20 pounds smaller and appreciably slower in the 40.
Re: Round 1 Pick 13 - Lukas Van Ness
Posted: 27 Apr 2023 21:45
by go pak go
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 21:42
go pak go wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 21:39
BF004 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 21:38
So comparisons to Kampman, Clay and TJ Watt.
I mean we are better than this, aren't we?
No.
Limited knowledge tree of white players who played for the Packers or Badgers makes the most sense on this board.
The 1 guy that plays on the team that is an actual closer athletic comparison only gets it from @YoHoChecko
Yeah. Gary is always the athletic comparison I heard predraft. I also heard Matthews as a comparison but that was more about the limited college playing time.
The dude is just huge. He looks slower and less nimble to me than Gary just watching tape. But I am starting to like our Edge room. Wouldn't mind going after a fast and smaller guy on day 3 to increase the diversity of the room.
Re: Round 1 Pick 13 - Lukas Van Ness
Posted: 27 Apr 2023 21:50
by BF004
wallyuwl wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 21:42
BF004 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 21:38
So comparisons to Kampman, Clay and TJ Watt.
I mean we are better than this, aren't we?
The Watt comp is valid. So is Gary. Maybe Fletcher Cox?
How is the Watt comp valid at all?
Re: Round 1 Pick 13 - Lukas Van Ness
Posted: 27 Apr 2023 21:50
by BF004
wallyuwl wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 21:42
BF004 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 21:38
So comparisons to Kampman, Clay and TJ Watt.
I mean we are better than this, aren't we?
The Watt comp is valid. So is Gary. Maybe Fletcher Cox?
How is the Watt comp valid at all?
Re: Round 1 Pick 13 - Lukas Van Ness
Posted: 27 Apr 2023 21:50
by wallyuwl
BF004 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 21:41
But like why does he have to be compared to any white player?
Yeah, Watt is smaller and slower than I remembered at draft time. I wonder what his numbers are now? To the other question, it is being real.
Re: Round 1 Pick 13 - Lukas Van Ness
Posted: 27 Apr 2023 21:52
by wallyuwl
BF004 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 21:50
wallyuwl wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 21:42
BF004 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 21:38
So comparisons to Kampman, Clay and TJ Watt.
I mean we are better than this, aren't we?
The Watt comp is valid. So is Gary. Maybe Fletcher Cox?
How is the Watt comp valid at all?
More based on how they play, or did in college. Though Watt is a bit more of a speed guy than LVN. Watt was smaller and slower at his draft than I remembered, though.
Re: Round 1 Pick 13 - Lukas Van Ness
Posted: 27 Apr 2023 21:53
by BF004
JJ Watt is probably closer, I could possibly get a little more behind that one.
Re: Round 1 Pick 13 - Lukas Van Ness
Posted: 27 Apr 2023 21:56
by Yoop
YoHoChecko wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 21:01
Drj820 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 20:52
Internet is clowning the packers by saying our selection never started a game at Iowa. Strange if true.
Iowa starts seniors first. He played rotational starter snaps. I think more than the starter, if I recall correctly. Just a weird college thing at their program.
But he is RAW raw. Like he doesn't have pass rush moves, he just overpowers people, mostly, but has the frame and mold and potential to develop into a lot more. I prefer more development with my elite athletes in the top 15, but he's an elite ceiling athlete with a good motor at a premium position, so he'll likely turn out at least solid.
I don't get the D&D with high first round picks, we do it so often on defense and it takes a season or two to have a good starter and if they excel it's time to resign them, I'am not in this to find super ceiling players, or DPOY guys, I just want starter ready players, imo D&D has a place late first and beyond.
I hope Ness is more ready.
Re: Round 1 Pick 13 - Lukas Van Ness
Posted: 27 Apr 2023 22:03
by Pugger
I don't know if this was a good pick or not. We won't know for a while but you can never have enough good pass rushers.
Re: Round 1 Pick 13 - Lukas Van Ness
Posted: 27 Apr 2023 22:05
by YoHoChecko
Re: Round 1 Pick 13 - Lukas Van Ness
Posted: 27 Apr 2023 22:07
by BF004
Yoop wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 21:56
YoHoChecko wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 21:01
Drj820 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 20:52
Internet is clowning the packers by saying our selection never started a game at Iowa. Strange if true.
Iowa starts seniors first. He played rotational starter snaps. I think more than the starter, if I recall correctly. Just a weird college thing at their program.
But he is RAW raw. Like he doesn't have pass rush moves, he just overpowers people, mostly, but has the frame and mold and potential to develop into a lot more. I prefer more development with my elite athletes in the top 15, but he's an elite ceiling athlete with a good motor at a premium position, so he'll likely turn out at least solid.
I don't get the D&D with high first round picks, we do it so often on defense and it takes a season or two to have a good starter and if they excel it's time to resign them, I'am not in this to find super ceiling players, or DPOY guys, I just want starter ready players, imo D&D has a place late first and beyond.
I hope Ness is more ready.
I don't think he's much more ready than Gary was, doesn't mean he won't get up quicker. He won't have the same caliber of players in his way either, '
But this is actually a fine year to be okay taking a player who might need a year or two.
Re: Round 1 Pick 13 - Lukas Van Ness
Posted: 27 Apr 2023 22:08
by wallyuwl
I can get a little more behind this pick with him being 21. He will get stronger just from physical maturity, just like Kenny did.
Re: Round 1 Pick 13 - Lukas Van Ness
Posted: 27 Apr 2023 22:14
by Labrev
I forgot about his hockey background. He plays like it. Yeah this D could use some of that attitude.
Re: Round 1 Pick 13 - Lukas Van Ness
Posted: 27 Apr 2023 22:16
by go pak go
Labrev wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 22:14
I forgot about his hockey background. He plays like it. Yeah this D could use some of that attitude.
Texas needs more
Re: Round 1 Pick 13 - Lukas Van Ness
Posted: 27 Apr 2023 22:19
by bud fox
I hate his vert and i think it shows on tape.
However he has good ability to move around on the line.
Re: Round 1 Pick 13 - Lukas Van Ness
Posted: 27 Apr 2023 22:20
by BF004
Looking for the clips, but Van Ness had two just amazing bull rushes, one on Paris Johnson Jr and one on Skoronski, two top 10 picks.
Gives a rough of idea of where his ceiling could be.
Re: Round 1 Pick 13 - Lukas Van Ness
Posted: 27 Apr 2023 22:20
by BF004
Found one
Re: Round 1 Pick 13 - Lukas Van Ness
Posted: 27 Apr 2023 22:22
by BF004
Probably saw this, it was an old tweet. Not as impressive against Johnson, but that Skoronski one, ssssshhhiiiyet.
I see Nic Bosa on that Johnson Jr clip, that speed to power and lean is real.
Re: Round 1 Pick 13 - Lukas Van Ness
Posted: 27 Apr 2023 22:25
by wallyuwl
That particular play was a really bad set by Skoronski, way back on his heels.
Re: Round 1 Pick 13 - Lukas Van Ness
Posted: 27 Apr 2023 22:25
by Labrev
004 admonished us for comps to white edge guys, including guys that arguably fit, brings in a tweet saying Justin Smith and then says Nick Bosa.
LOL BF!!