Packers Huddle

Yoop wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2023 16:11

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2023 14:58

Expectations may be a little too high if the expectation or goal is for this passing offense to rival the passing offenses of Aaron Rodgers at the height of his career. 4500 yards passing is a lot! In the history of the NFL it has happened 71 times where team passing yards has been 4500 or greater in a season (team passing accounts for sacks). There has been 77 player seasons in which a player has thrown for 4500+ yards. Only 33 quarterbacks in the history of the NFL have thrown for 4500+ yards in a season: https://stathead.com/tiny/sVGIc

there just hopeful expectations, and I think, just as we saw and what I often say, rookie receivers are more ready to play then people seem to think, of course there will be some growing pains, but watching from the bench sure doesn't speed up the process, Doubs played very well except for the drops, and the only thing to hold Watson back was recovery from surgery, Matt Lafleur will play the rookies and Reed and Wicks are already impressing him, why not think it's possible to have a 4000 yard season for Love, I was never that hard on 4500 yrds anyway, If Love was not ready to do that, specially with this vastly improved receiver situation( including TE's and RB's) Rodgers would still be our QB.

I hear all this talk about rebuilding, and it's mostly because we switched QB's, now I can't predict Loves ceiling, but imo he's starting off with a higher floor then Rodgers did in 08, at least when it comes to defense and probably OL, RB and possibly TE, as I said this receiver group though young has tons of talent, when ya consider that Love is a young chemistry builder just like Rodgers was some years back several of these receivers could produce at or near a grand, I see no reason not to think that of Watson, Doubs, or possibly Toure , and Reed or Wicks seem like high floor rookies.

last year Rodgers had another 4000 yrd season, giving him 10 for his career, and as 004 showed with the rout vid, we often shut Rodgers down after the 2nd or 3rd quarters because we had 3 and 4 score leads, if Rodgers had been a stat hound he could have been over 5000 yrds a few seasons and easily over 4500 yarders more, heck in 2018 he had about 4400 and we both know how dis functional that year was.

again, 5500 yrds total offense considering we have two 1000 yrd RB's should be a low ball figure.

lulu wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2023 21:11

In my opinion, success or failure this year will have more to do with coaching than normal. We have alot of young guys still learning the game and need to do an exceptional job of coaching them up.

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2023 17:22

lulu wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2023 21:11

In my opinion, success or failure this year will have more to do with coaching than normal. We have alot of young guys still learning the game and need to do an exceptional job of coaching them up.

Yup. Take it a step further. With so many young guys, maybe the playbook will be simplified and the coaches preach more about doing a few things very well, rather than many things good enough. And then, WIN every snap at the few things that you do.

Some of football is about schemes and designs. But really, more of it is about winning your matchups by defeating your opponent. If our coaches and give proper emphasis on that second part more, I think we still win more of our games, even with the youth.

• Coaching, it seems, is more at the forefront

• Player growth (and yes, regression)

• New player roles at key positions

• Leadership vacuum that will need to be filled

• An almost staggering transition to a youthful roster

go pak go wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2023 16:56

Yoop wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2023 16:11

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2023 14:58

Expectations may be a little too high if the expectation or goal is for this passing offense to rival the passing offenses of Aaron Rodgers at the height of his career. 4500 yards passing is a lot! In the history of the NFL it has happened 71 times where team passing yards has been 4500 or greater in a season (team passing accounts for sacks). There has been 77 player seasons in which a player has thrown for 4500+ yards. Only 33 quarterbacks in the history of the NFL have thrown for 4500+ yards in a season: https://stathead.com/tiny/sVGIc

there just hopeful expectations, and I think, just as we saw and what I often say, rookie receivers are more ready to play then people seem to think, of course there will be some growing pains, but watching from the bench sure doesn't speed up the process, Doubs played very well except for the drops, and the only thing to hold Watson back was recovery from surgery, Matt Lafleur will play the rookies and Reed and Wicks are already impressing him, why not think it's possible to have a 4000 yard season for Love, I was never that hard on 4500 yrds anyway, If Love was not ready to do that, specially with this vastly improved receiver situation( including TE's and RB's) Rodgers would still be our QB.

I hear all this talk about rebuilding, and it's mostly because we switched QB's, now I can't predict Loves ceiling, but imo he's starting off with a higher floor then Rodgers did in 08, at least when it comes to defense and probably OL, RB and possibly TE, as I said this receiver group though young has tons of talent, when ya consider that Love is a young chemistry builder just like Rodgers was some years back several of these receivers could produce at or near a grand, I see no reason not to think that of Watson, Doubs, or possibly Toure , and Reed or Wicks seem like high floor rookies.

last year Rodgers had another 4000 yrd season, giving him 10 for his career, and as 004 showed with the rout vid, we often shut Rodgers down after the 2nd or 3rd quarters because we had 3 and 4 score leads, if Rodgers had been a stat hound he could have been over 5000 yrds a few seasons and easily over 4500 yarders more, heck in 2018 he had about 4400 and we both know how dis functional that year was.

again, 5500 yrds total offense considering we have two 1000 yrd RB's should be a low ball figure.

You have a very large discrepancy in your expectations.

4,500 passing yards would likely be a top 5 passing unit - one of the best in the league.

5,500 total offensive yards was 1 yard more than Arizona in 2022. Arizona was 22nd in total offensive yards. 1,500 rushing yards in 2022 would have been 30th in the league.

Madcity_matt wrote: ↑

23 Jun 2023 10:35

great initial post and lots of great comments. I think a young team with a lot of talent. Could go lots of different ways. That said, yesterday before I left Vegas i tossed $50 on GB to win it all at 40-1 at the Wynn sportsbook. I don't expect it, but I wanted to bet enough to make it worth making the trip back to cash it if it does.

Captain_Ben wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023 07:53

Like others have already said, it’s a good roster. With our longest tenured player and QB departed, there could be a leadership vacuum. There were moments last season when I felt that the head coach did not have control over this team. Is LaFleur willing and able to take control and give this team direction that it could need?

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023 08:01

Captain_Ben wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023 07:53

Like others have already said, it’s a good roster. With our longest tenured player and QB departed, there could be a leadership vacuum. There were moments last season when I felt that the head coach did not have control over this team. Is LaFleur willing and able to take control and give this team direction that it could need?

I currently have zero faith in LaCoach's ability to lead. The other day on the radio he was spewing the same stuff he was spewing last season.....stuff that basically goes in one ear and out the other. Something with his narrative has to change. This opening game versus Da Bears should be a statement game ......... a game that maps out a new direction, a new leadership. Maybe LaCoach will pull it off against the lowly Bears?

Yoop wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2023 09:28

go pak go wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2023 16:56

Yoop wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2023 16:11

there just hopeful expectations, and I think, just as we saw and what I often say, rookie receivers are more ready to play then people seem to think, of course there will be some growing pains, but watching from the bench sure doesn't speed up the process, Doubs played very well except for the drops, and the only thing to hold Watson back was recovery from surgery, Matt Lafleur will play the rookies and Reed and Wicks are already impressing him, why not think it's possible to have a 4000 yard season for Love, I was never that hard on 4500 yrds anyway, If Love was not ready to do that, specially with this vastly improved receiver situation( including TE's and RB's) Rodgers would still be our QB.

I hear all this talk about rebuilding, and it's mostly because we switched QB's, now I can't predict Loves ceiling, but imo he's starting off with a higher floor then Rodgers did in 08, at least when it comes to defense and probably OL, RB and possibly TE, as I said this receiver group though young has tons of talent, when ya consider that Love is a young chemistry builder just like Rodgers was some years back several of these receivers could produce at or near a grand, I see no reason not to think that of Watson, Doubs, or possibly Toure , and Reed or Wicks seem like high floor rookies.

last year Rodgers had another 4000 yrd season, giving him 10 for his career, and as 004 showed with the rout vid, we often shut Rodgers down after the 2nd or 3rd quarters because we had 3 and 4 score leads, if Rodgers had been a stat hound he could have been over 5000 yrds a few seasons and easily over 4500 yarders more, heck in 2018 he had about 4400 and we both know how dis functional that year was.

again, 5500 yrds total offense considering we have two 1000 yrd RB's should be a low ball figure.

You have a very large discrepancy in your expectations.

4,500 passing yards would likely be a top 5 passing unit - one of the best in the league.

5,500 total offensive yards was 1 yard more than Arizona in 2022. Arizona was 22nd in total offensive yards. 1,500 rushing yards in 2022 would have been 30th in the league.

I don't have any discrepancy's, I said these are low ball figures, I didn't use last years stats but rather conservative estimates, GPG don't you think I know how many yards Dillon and Jones ran for last year, I also think 4000 yards receiving is very doable, again we passed the ball for 3900 yards last year with mostly rookies, we ran for 2100 yards , basically 600 yards more then MY conservative estimate, a easy fluctuation from one year to the next.

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023 08:01

Captain_Ben wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023 07:53

Like others have already said, it’s a good roster. With our longest tenured player and QB departed, there could be a leadership vacuum. There were moments last season when I felt that the head coach did not have control over this team. Is LaFleur willing and able to take control and give this team direction that it could need?

I currently have zero faith in LaCoach's ability to lead. The other day on the radio he was spewing the same stuff he was spewing last season.....stuff that basically goes in one ear and out the other. Something with his narrative has to change. This opening game versus Da Bears should be a statement game ......... a game that maps out a new direction, a new leadership. Maybe LaCoach will pull it off against the lowly Bears?

Cdragon wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023 09:11

Yoop wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2023 09:28

go pak go wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2023 16:56

You have a very large discrepancy in your expectations.

4,500 passing yards would likely be a top 5 passing unit - one of the best in the league.

5,500 total offensive yards was 1 yard more than Arizona in 2022. Arizona was 22nd in total offensive yards. 1,500 rushing yards in 2022 would have been 30th in the league.

I don't have any discrepancy's, I said these are low ball figures, I didn't use last years stats but rather conservative estimates, GPG don't you think I know how many yards Dillon and Jones ran for last year, I also think 4000 yards receiving is very doable, again we passed the ball for 3900 yards last year with mostly rookies, we ran for 2100 yards , basically 600 yards more then MY conservative estimate, a easy fluctuation from one year to the next.

As an adjunct to the passing game you're going to have a QB who will take off if he gets the chance. Favre's first 2 years he ran for 33 first downs. AR ran for 45 first downs in his first 2 starting years. I expect Love to run and move some chains putting the same types of stress on the D that helped make our HOF QBs so dangerous before they figured everything out.

Yoop wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023 12:11

Cdragon wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023 09:11

Yoop wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2023 09:28

I don't have any discrepancy's, I said these are low ball figures, I didn't use last years stats but rather conservative estimates, GPG don't you think I know how many yards Dillon and Jones ran for last year, I also think 4000 yards receiving is very doable, again we passed the ball for 3900 yards last year with mostly rookies, we ran for 2100 yards , basically 600 yards more then MY conservative estimate, a easy fluctuation from one year to the next.

As an adjunct to the passing game you're going to have a QB who will take off if he gets the chance. Favre's first 2 years he ran for 33 first downs. AR ran for 45 first downs in his first 2 starting years. I expect Love to run and move some chains putting the same types of stress on the D that helped make our HOF QBs so dangerous before they figured everything out.

sure but his stats don't lie, Rodgers had 4000 passing yrds and 200 yrds rushing, and believe me, like you I've watched a lot of QB's over the years, specially Favre and Rodgers, and imo Love is more ready to kick butt then either of those two, and his receiver room while young have far more GOD given talent, seriously I think our passing performance this season is going to surprise many.

Cdragon wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2023 19:48

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2023 17:22

lulu wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2023 21:11

In my opinion, success or failure this year will have more to do with coaching than normal. We have alot of young guys still learning the game and need to do an exceptional job of coaching them up.

Yup. Take it a step further. With so many young guys, maybe the playbook will be simplified and the coaches preach more about doing a few things very well, rather than many things good enough. And then, WIN every snap at the few things that you do.

Some of football is about schemes and designs. But really, more of it is about winning your matchups by defeating your opponent. If our coaches and give proper emphasis on that second part more, I think we still win more of our games, even with the youth.

What I want to see out of the coaching staff is an ability to switch gears and go to plan b in the times when we are beating our heads against a brick wall. Too often when we get to the better teams we pull punches trying not to make mistakes but we are making it too easy for them. It should be easy to be a little unpredictable, since Love at this point has no known tendencies.

Yoop wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023 12:02

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023 08:01

Captain_Ben wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2023 07:53

Like others have already said, it’s a good roster. With our longest tenured player and QB departed, there could be a leadership vacuum. There were moments last season when I felt that the head coach did not have control over this team. Is LaFleur willing and able to take control and give this team direction that it could need?

I currently have zero faith in LaCoach's ability to lead. The other day on the radio he was spewing the same stuff he was spewing last season.....stuff that basically goes in one ear and out the other. Something with his narrative has to change. This opening game versus Da Bears should be a statement game ......... a game that maps out a new direction, a new leadership. Maybe LaCoach will pull it off against the lowly Bears?

Ringo, please don't take offense, but I can't relate at all to these opinions from you, for 1, Lafleur brought stability to a rudderless offense, 2,increased the run to pass balance so lost under McCarthy 3. dialed back the spread verticals that failed to work with the losses of talent at WR and TE.

people like you who think Rodgers has been running this show are so off track, of course Rodgers had opinions , but to think Lafleur just catered to those opinion is delusional thinking Buddy, that is so far out there.

the problems we saw on the field with OL blocking and receivers simply not performing are real, and Lafleur, well as they say Lafleur doesn't buy the groceries, for what Matts had to work with we could do much worse, and his first 3 seasons are proof of that