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Re: Aaron Freaking Rodgers
Posted: 03 Sep 2020 23:21
by Raptorman
BF004 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2020 10:27
go pak go wrote: ↑28 Aug 2020 10:22
I mean I think a general theme we are seeing is your team needs to have at least one elite component (defense, run game, or QB) to win it all.
Is there a SB champion that exists where every component was just....meh?
I'd argue 2 and one of them has to be defense.
Tom Brady has 0 rings without a top 5 defense.
Brady's Super Bowl victories and defenses in PPG. 7,1,8,2,1,6. 3 with a top 5, 3 with a top 10.
Re: Aaron Freaking Rodgers
Posted: 04 Sep 2020 08:17
by NCF
Raptorman wrote: ↑03 Sep 2020 23:21
BF004 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2020 10:27
go pak go wrote: ↑28 Aug 2020 10:22
I mean I think a general theme we are seeing is your team needs to have at least one elite component (defense, run game, or QB) to win it all.
Is there a SB champion that exists where every component was just....meh?
I'd argue 2 and one of them has to be defense.
Tom Brady has 0 rings without a top 5 defense.
Brady's Super Bowl victories and defenses in PPG. 7,1,8,2,1,6. 3 with a top 5, 3 with a top 10.
I think the original stat was defensive ranking by yardage. Point remains the same. Since you are in the mood to look these up, what are the rankings for non-championship years?
Re: Aaron Freaking Rodgers
Posted: 04 Sep 2020 08:23
by BF004
Yes, it is by yards.
But anyway you spin it, all very good defenses.
Re: Aaron Freaking Rodgers
Posted: 04 Sep 2020 09:11
by Raptorman
NCF wrote: ↑04 Sep 2020 08:17
Raptorman wrote: ↑03 Sep 2020 23:21
BF004 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2020 10:27
I'd argue 2 and one of them has to be defense.
Tom Brady has 0 rings without a top 5 defense.
Brady's Super Bowl victories and defenses in PPG. 7,1,8,2,1,6. 3 with a top 5, 3 with a top 10.
I think the original stat was defensive ranking by yardage. Point remains the same. Since you are in the mood to look these up, what are the rankings for non-championship years?
17,2,9,10,10,17,8,4,15,5,5,1
FWIW Rodgers since starting
22,7,2,19,11,24,13,12,21,26,22,9.
Re: Aaron Freaking Rodgers
Posted: 04 Sep 2020 09:25
by NCF
Raptorman wrote: ↑04 Sep 2020 09:11
NCF wrote: ↑04 Sep 2020 08:17
Raptorman wrote: ↑03 Sep 2020 23:21
Brady's Super Bowl victories and defenses in PPG. 7,1,8,2,1,6. 3 with a top 5, 3 with a top 10.
I think the original stat was defensive ranking by yardage. Point remains the same. Since you are in the mood to look these up, what are the rankings for non-championship years?
17,2,9,10,10,17,8,4,15,5,5,1
FWIW Rodgers since starting
22,7,2,19,11,24,13,12,21,26,22,9.
Thanks. So, first time back in the Top-10 since the SB win and the Packers made it to the NFC Championship. Things seem to line up nicely to have a Top-5 breakout D this year, so let's see what happens.
Re: Aaron Freaking Rodgers
Posted: 04 Sep 2020 09:35
by Raptorman
NCF wrote: ↑04 Sep 2020 09:25
Raptorman wrote: ↑04 Sep 2020 09:11
NCF wrote: ↑04 Sep 2020 08:17
I think the original stat was defensive ranking by yardage. Point remains the same. Since you are in the mood to look these up, what are the rankings for non-championship years?
17,2,9,10,10,17,8,4,15,5,5,1
FWIW Rodgers since starting
22,7,2,19,11,24,13,12,21,26,22,9.
Thanks. So, first time back in the Top-10 since the SB win and the Packers made it to the NFC Championship. Things seem to line up nicely to have a Top-5 breakout D this year, so let's see what happens.
Top D and O are really needed to win the SB. I've been saying it for years. There are outliers, but not many. One begets the other.
Re: Aaron Freaking Rodgers
Posted: 04 Sep 2020 11:12
by BF004
Well you can not win with out a QB or without a D. QB can just be above average, but the D has to be top tier.
You also need more, in terms of some combination of ST, running game, passing game, etc.
But need QB and D no matter what.
We had our QB, TT desperately tried to get that D, just couldn’t get it right, from Collins injury, to letting Hyde and Hayward walk, to missing on too many picks.
Re: Aaron Freaking Rodgers
Posted: 16 Sep 2020 09:56
by Waldo
Re: Aaron Freaking Rodgers
Posted: 16 Sep 2020 10:07
by Yoop
Raptorman wrote: ↑04 Sep 2020 09:35
NCF wrote: ↑04 Sep 2020 09:25
Raptorman wrote: ↑04 Sep 2020 09:11
17,2,9,10,10,17,8,4,15,5,5,1
FWIW Rodgers since starting
22,7,2,19,11,24,13,12,21,26,22,9.
Thanks. So, first time back in the Top-10 since the SB win and the Packers made it to the NFC Championship. Things seem to line up nicely to have a Top-5 breakout D this year, so let's see what happens.
Top D and O are really needed to win the SB. I've been saying it for years. There are outliers, but not many. One begets the other.
hell you've had both 4 times and didn't win it.
Re: Aaron Freaking Rodgers
Posted: 16 Sep 2020 10:08
by Yoop
BF004 wrote: ↑04 Sep 2020 11:12
Well you can not win with out a QB or without a D. QB can just be above average, but the D has to be top tier.
You also need more, in terms of some combination of ST, running game, passing game, etc.
But need QB and D no matter what.
We had our QB, TT desperately tried to get that D, just couldn’t get it right, from Collins injury, to letting Hyde and Hayward walk, to missing on too many picks.
2011 proved that
Re: Aaron Freaking Rodgers
Posted: 16 Sep 2020 11:15
by Raptorman
Yoop wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020 10:07
Raptorman wrote: ↑04 Sep 2020 09:35
NCF wrote: ↑04 Sep 2020 09:25
Thanks. So, first time back in the Top-10 since the SB win and the Packers made it to the NFC Championship. Things seem to line up nicely to have a Top-5 breakout D this year, so let's see what happens.
Top D and O are really needed to win the SB. I've been saying it for years. There are outliers, but not many. One begets the other.
hell you've had both 4 times and didn't win it.
Well, if you want to get picky. The Vikings have had a top 10 offense and defense 15 times in their history. We all know the results. The Packers, on the other hand, have had a top 10 offense and defense 51 times in their history. 10 of those have been since Lombardi left.
Re: Aaron Freaking Rodgers
Posted: 16 Sep 2020 11:28
by Pugger
dsr wrote: ↑29 Aug 2020 19:16
go pak go wrote: ↑28 Aug 2020 10:22
I mean I think a general theme we are seeing is your team needs to have at least one elite component (defense, run game, or QB) to win it all.
Is there a SB champion that exists where every component was just....meh?
New York Giants x 2? Just a suggestion? I don't remember them being outstanding at anything in particular.
Didn't those defenses play great in those 2 offseasons?
Re: Aaron Freaking Rodgers
Posted: 16 Sep 2020 11:31
by Raptorman
Pugger wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020 11:28
dsr wrote: ↑29 Aug 2020 19:16
go pak go wrote: ↑28 Aug 2020 10:22
I mean I think a general theme we are seeing is your team needs to have at least one elite component (defense, run game, or QB) to win it all.
Is there a SB champion that exists where every component was just....meh?
New York Giants x 2? Just a suggestion? I don't remember them being outstanding at anything in particular.
Didn't those defenses play great in those 2 offseasons?
Yeah. For some reason, those two years the Giants defense was crap during the year but played stellar ball in the playoffs. Two of the few outliers.
Re: Aaron Freaking Rodgers
Posted: 16 Sep 2020 11:50
by TheSkeptic
Waldo wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020 09:56
Stat of the day. Brady's game was the only NFL game in which the ratings were not down at least 10% over last year. In spite of the stadiums being mostly empty and presumably die hard fans watching at home.
Re: Aaron Freaking Rodgers
Posted: 16 Sep 2020 11:52
by go pak go
TheSkeptic wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020 11:50
Waldo wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020 09:56
Stat of the day. Brady's game was the only NFL game in which the ratings were not down at least 10% over last year. In spite of the stadiums being mostly empty and presumably die hard fans watching at home.
Interesting.
I think NASCAR is the only sport that has seen viewership overall increase from the prior year. But NASCAR also is probably due to being in a valley for the overall popularity of their sport.
Re: Aaron Freaking Rodgers
Posted: 16 Sep 2020 18:12
by mnpackerbacker
Waldo wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020 09:56
Anyone remember which two for AR? I remember one against Tampa in his early days. I honestly don't remember the other. And don't feel like looking it up.
Re: Aaron Freaking Rodgers
Posted: 16 Sep 2020 19:23
by NCF
New Orleans in one of those seasons?
Re: Aaron Freaking Rodgers
Posted: 16 Sep 2020 19:55
by lupedafiasco
BF004 wrote: ↑04 Sep 2020 11:12
We had our QB, TT desperately tried to get that D, just couldn’t get it right, from Collins injury, to letting Hyde and Hayward walk, to missing on too many picks.
He said it not me.
Re: Aaron Freaking Rodgers
Posted: 17 Sep 2020 04:32
by mnpackerbacker
NCF wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020 19:23
New Orleans in one of those seasons?
I looked it up. He actually had three in his career. The Tampa one I mentioned, and Cincinnati and Seattle at Lambeau. Cincy was just a bad throw on his part. Happened on their last visit to Lambeau when AR led a comeback late win. Seattle on sort of a fluke dumpoff attempt where it hit a lineman in the hands.
That's it for his career.
Re: Aaron Freaking Rodgers
Posted: 17 Sep 2020 11:41
by BSA
mnpackerbacker wrote: ↑17 Sep 2020 04:32
He actually had three in his career.
Here's the list from Pro Football Reference and AR isn't on it. Maybe they didn't have space to list all of the 3's ?
Favray comes in at number 1 all time with 31
Starr had 8
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... career.htm
And here is the page with
regular season pick sixes, only lists tampa and cincy, but not Seattle
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... ick-sixes/
.
Can't find the Seattle one you mentioned