Re: Pettine out
Posted: 29 Jan 2021 22:11
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Re: Pettine out
Posted: 29 Jan 2021 22:34
Re: Pettine out
Posted: 29 Jan 2021 22:48
We have to remember Pettine was already here when MLF was hired and probably stayed because of familiarity and a young HC. Now Matt can choose his own guy. It will be interesting to see who he gets.salmar80 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2021 19:00Can we conclude LaFleur is demanding excellence?
That he's not happy with an outstanding 2-year record without SB wins says this is one hungry, hungry, ravenous head coach. Not keeping two top coordinators out of three with this kind of win-loss record may be unprecedented.
Also, this is the first time I remember a coordinator gone without most of the fans asking them to get fired. Wow.
LaFleur is rolling the dice, but hard not to trust him at this point.
Re: Pettine out
Posted: 29 Jan 2021 22:49
Re: Pettine out
Posted: 30 Jan 2021 06:49
good article, Lafluer should have DC prospects beating his door down to inherit a squad like this.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/packers-ne ... 54018.html
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/packers-ne ... 54018.html
Re: Pettine out
Posted: 30 Jan 2021 07:17
I was thinking this myself. Any position coach looking to become a DC with HC aspirations should be looking here. We should be able to get the best prospective guy to be our DC.Yoop wrote: ↑30 Jan 2021 06:49good article, Lafluer should have DC prospects beating his door down to inherit a squad like this.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/packers-ne ... 54018.html
Re: Pettine out
Posted: 30 Jan 2021 07:33
It's already the end of Jan. and now with all these coaching changes this is going to be a short off season, with lots of Packers news, to bad we may not have a combine again, but I think we'll have off season mini camps and OTA's.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑30 Jan 2021 07:17I was thinking this myself. Any position coach looking to become a DC with HC aspirations should be looking here. We should be able to get the best prospective guy to be our DC.Yoop wrote: ↑30 Jan 2021 06:49good article, Lafluer should have DC prospects beating his door down to inherit a squad like this.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/packers-ne ... 54018.html
I think Lafluer will seek advice to from Guy's like Saleh and other coaches he has ties to, he's done well filling out the offensive assistants, he'll listen to people that know defense, I think Lafluer is a pretty sharp guy, I'd bet he already has a list of prospects.
Re: Pettine out
Posted: 30 Jan 2021 07:47
So, hypothetically, suppose MLF does indeed hire someone from outside to run the defense.
What then of the current assistants? Do they stay? Does the new DC have the authority/liberty to bring in his own staff? Or is he basically put in the same boat many here presume MLF was when he inherited Pettine?
Gray, Smith, and others are highly respected and liked among the players. Just how much defensive overhaul is this team willing/able to undergo given the current protective protocols in place?
What then of the current assistants? Do they stay? Does the new DC have the authority/liberty to bring in his own staff? Or is he basically put in the same boat many here presume MLF was when he inherited Pettine?
Gray, Smith, and others are highly respected and liked among the players. Just how much defensive overhaul is this team willing/able to undergo given the current protective protocols in place?
Re: Pettine out
Posted: 30 Jan 2021 08:31
Nice breakdown of potential candidates from Zach Kruse (article) and Andy Herman (podcast video).
Here are the names:
Jerry Gray - Packers DB Coach
Mike Smith - Packers OLB Coach
Wade Phillips - N/A
Kris Richard - N/A
Jerod Mayo - Patriots ILB Coach
Marvin Lewis - Arizona State DC
James Bettcher - 49ers Senior Assistant
Stephen Belichick - Patriots OLB Coach
Kris Kocurek - 49ers DL Coach
Teryl Austin - Steelers Senior Assistant
Jim Leonhard - Badgers DC
Kacy Rodgers - Buccaneers DL Coach
Mike Caldwell - Buccaneers ILB Coach
Jerome Henderson - Giants DB Coach
Chris Shula - Rams OLB Coach
Jim Haslett - Titans ILB Coach
Joe Barry - Chargers Passing Game Coordinator/LB Coach (Rams 2020)
Johnny Holland - 49ers Run Game Coordinator/OLB Coach
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/ ... t-lafleur/
Here are the names:
Jerry Gray - Packers DB Coach
Mike Smith - Packers OLB Coach
Wade Phillips - N/A
Kris Richard - N/A
Jerod Mayo - Patriots ILB Coach
Marvin Lewis - Arizona State DC
James Bettcher - 49ers Senior Assistant
Stephen Belichick - Patriots OLB Coach
Kris Kocurek - 49ers DL Coach
Teryl Austin - Steelers Senior Assistant
Jim Leonhard - Badgers DC
Kacy Rodgers - Buccaneers DL Coach
Mike Caldwell - Buccaneers ILB Coach
Jerome Henderson - Giants DB Coach
Chris Shula - Rams OLB Coach
Jim Haslett - Titans ILB Coach
Joe Barry - Chargers Passing Game Coordinator/LB Coach (Rams 2020)
Johnny Holland - 49ers Run Game Coordinator/OLB Coach
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/ ... t-lafleur/
Re: Pettine out
Posted: 30 Jan 2021 09:57
When Pettine came onboard, I had my hopes that he would take that stale defense that Capers had made and turn it into something very dynamic. That never happened.
So, now MLF leads the team with an offense that is deceptive in so many ways. And it uses motion to lull defenses into familiarity, before it becomes the knife that is used against the defense. Is MLF going to expect anything less dynamic from his DC? That is why, I’d say, that MLF wants a new DC. Pettine never became that.
We want something more than a “bend but don’t break, give ‘em only a FG and out score them” type of defense. We want schemes that promote confusion by the offense and more than 1 turnover a game. They have to do more than run an occasional stunt or blitz in an unexpected way.
So, now MLF leads the team with an offense that is deceptive in so many ways. And it uses motion to lull defenses into familiarity, before it becomes the knife that is used against the defense. Is MLF going to expect anything less dynamic from his DC? That is why, I’d say, that MLF wants a new DC. Pettine never became that.
We want something more than a “bend but don’t break, give ‘em only a FG and out score them” type of defense. We want schemes that promote confusion by the offense and more than 1 turnover a game. They have to do more than run an occasional stunt or blitz in an unexpected way.
Re: Pettine out
Posted: 30 Jan 2021 10:01
I just gotta say that I like the cajones of a HC who would release a coordinator from a very successful team because he just has a different, better vision of what he wants on his team. Probably 90% of head coaches and GMs would stand fast with what they have.
(MLF should’ve used those same cajones to go for it on 4th and 8.)
(MLF should’ve used those same cajones to go for it on 4th and 8.)
Re: Pettine out
Posted: 30 Jan 2021 10:13
Re: Pettine out
Posted: 30 Jan 2021 10:18
What's strange about the Pettine era though is it seemed like he was the savior. I mean our talent on defense was garbage in 2018 and yet I would honestly say that Pettine got more from his unit in 2018 than what the FO gave him.Scott4Pack wrote: ↑30 Jan 2021 09:57When Pettine came onboard, I had my hopes that he would take that stale defense that Capers had made and turn it into something very dynamic. That never happened.
So, now MLF leads the team with an offense that is deceptive in so many ways. And it uses motion to lull defenses into familiarity, before it becomes the knife that is used against the defense. Is MLF going to expect anything less dynamic from his DC? That is why, I’d say, that MLF wants a new DC. Pettine never became that.
We want something more than a “bend but don’t break, give ‘em only a FG and out score them” type of defense. We want schemes that promote confusion by the offense and more than 1 turnover a game. They have to do more than run an occasional stunt or blitz in an unexpected way.
The challenge was in 2019 and Pettine admitted to it that our resources going to defense put more pressure on him and again honestly....first few weeks of 2019 it really looked like we had something.
Just never got that defense over the edge. We were absolutely rated top 10 in yards defense in 2020. I don't know if we truly were or not because our offense was so successful at keeping the ball and letting the defense rest on the sidelines. I would argue our 2019 defense was better even if it meant our macro stats when compared to the league was worse because our defense actually won us a lot of games in 2019. They did not do that in 2020.
Only game I would say the defense won for us was maybe the Carolina game where they produced at a time our offense stalled. Could also put Jax in that category though those two teams aren't much to brag about.
Re: Pettine out
Posted: 30 Jan 2021 10:21
I wouldn't be surprised if we poached someone under Saleh. Someone like Kocurek.
Re: Pettine out
Posted: 30 Jan 2021 10:53
Yeah. The one challenge I see with the Saleh tree is the 49ers already likely got the best Saleh understudy.
The other thing about the Saleh tree is I am guessing Saleh would have gotten first pick from any of his 49ers coaches if he wanted them.
What wouldn't surprise me if the pick is a Saleh tree but a longer tree such as a coach who worked with Saleh before SF and not necessarily a SF coach. Similar to Saleh himself picking Ulbrich to be his D coordinator even though he wasn't a 49er.
Re: Pettine out
Posted: 30 Jan 2021 11:40
That's a good point.go pak go wrote: ↑30 Jan 2021 10:53Yeah. The one challenge I see with the Saleh tree is the 49ers already likely got the best Saleh understudy.
The other thing about the Saleh tree is I am guessing Saleh would have gotten first pick from any of his 49ers coaches if he wanted them.
What wouldn't surprise me if the pick is a Saleh tree but a longer tree such as a coach who worked with Saleh before SF and not necessarily a SF coach. Similar to Saleh himself picking Ulbrich to be his D coordinator even though he wasn't a 49er.
Re: Pettine out
Posted: 30 Jan 2021 12:35
Re: Pettine out
Posted: 30 Jan 2021 17:18
Re: Pettine out
Posted: 30 Jan 2021 19:20
I really wonder how much the switch from the booth to the field made. Pettine was very aggressive when he had less to work with, watching from up high. But when he got out of the booth and had the sideline perspective with better players he went soft too often.go pak go wrote: ↑30 Jan 2021 10:18What's strange about the Pettine era though is it seemed like he was the savior. I mean our talent on defense was garbage in 2018 and yet I would honestly say that Pettine got more from his unit in 2018 than what the FO gave him.Scott4Pack wrote: ↑30 Jan 2021 09:57When Pettine came onboard, I had my hopes that he would take that stale defense that Capers had made and turn it into something very dynamic. That never happened.
So, now MLF leads the team with an offense that is deceptive in so many ways. And it uses motion to lull defenses into familiarity, before it becomes the knife that is used against the defense. Is MLF going to expect anything less dynamic from his DC? That is why, I’d say, that MLF wants a new DC. Pettine never became that.
We want something more than a “bend but don’t break, give ‘em only a FG and out score them” type of defense. We want schemes that promote confusion by the offense and more than 1 turnover a game. They have to do more than run an occasional stunt or blitz in an unexpected way.
The challenge was in 2019 and Pettine admitted to it that our resources going to defense put more pressure on him and again honestly....first few weeks of 2019 it really looked like we had something.
Just never got that defense over the edge. We were absolutely rated top 10 in yards defense in 2020. I don't know if we truly were or not because our offense was so successful at keeping the ball and letting the defense rest on the sidelines. I would argue our 2019 defense was better even if it meant our macro stats when compared to the league was worse because our defense actually won us a lot of games in 2019. They did not do that in 2020.
Only game I would say the defense won for us was maybe the Carolina game where they produced at a time our offense stalled. Could also put Jax in that category though those two teams aren't much to brag about.
Re: Pettine out
Posted: 30 Jan 2021 21:20
Wade Phillips should be in the drivers seat. I do not see anyone that even remotely matches Phillips track record. If MLF gets Wade we'll be a SB contender for 2022. (The age is some thing, so in his case his assistant is a more important position than usual.)