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NCF wrote: ↑

24 Mar 2022 16:47

APB wrote: ↑

24 Mar 2022 16:25

BF004 wrote: ↑

24 Mar 2022 16:02

I'd say more like a 6th if the Jets want out, and maybe if he'd take a pay cut or something.

In this market? Yeah, right.

I agree with BF. No way am I giving up a 3rd for a middling WR on a big contract. Could have just resigned MVS.

I think you guys are weighing his production in NY with that QB whatshisname far too heavily. When he was in TN, he was damn good and that was with the middling Tannehill throwing to him. Davis is a good receiver and in his prime.

I'm in the cooks camp. He is in the dump or dumps Houston on his last year. He was produced everywhere. He's not resigning there. Offer a 3rd ish and give him a mvs deal. Then draft 2 guys

Backthepack4ever wrote: ↑

24 Mar 2022 17:09

I'm in the cooks camp. He is in the dump or dumps Houston on his last year. He was produced everywhere. He's not resigning there. Offer a 3rd ish and give him a mvs deal. Then draft 2 guys

he's there best receiver so how willing would they be to trade him? would love to add him, he still has the speed and ability, 6 out of 8 1000 yard seasons, I remember liking him a lot during that draft.

Yoop wrote: ↑

24 Mar 2022 17:27

Backthepack4ever wrote: ↑

24 Mar 2022 17:09

I'm in the cooks camp. He is in the dump or dumps Houston on his last year. He was produced everywhere. He's not resigning there. Offer a 3rd ish and give him a mvs deal. Then draft 2 guys

he's there best receiver so how willing would they be to trade him? would love to add him, he still has the speed and ability, 6 out of 8 1000 yard seasons, I remember liking him a lot during that draft.

Guessing, I would say pretty willing. They suck he isn't in future plans and is on his last year of his deal. Unless they are planning on a big future deal (unlikely) I can see them cool with a day 2 pick.

But who knows with these teams that seem to be circling the drain

Trades are dumb. We need cheap players. Spending picks on guys who cost money right now is dumb.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

24 Mar 2022 23:07

Trades are dumb. We need cheap players. Spending picks on guys who cost money right now is dumb.

we need to replace MVS speed, and also readiness to play, now the speed may be replaceable in the draft, but the readiness to play is questioned, typically even the best rookies take some time to acclimate.

The team has only seven receivers under contract on the roster as of Friday morning: Randall Cobb, Allen Lazard, Amari Rodgers, Malik Taylor, Juwann Winfree, Chris Blair and Rico Gafford.

Of the seven, only Cobb and Lazard have meaningful NFL experience, and neither is a legitimate No. 1 target. Rodgers played only sporadically as a rookie, Taylor and Winfree have 15 combined catches and Blair and Gafford have never been on the field in a regular-season NFL game.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/0 ... at-wide-re

easy to see why people want to bring in a season vet.

Yoop wrote: ↑

25 Mar 2022 07:34

The team has only seven receivers under contract on the roster as of Friday morning: Randall Cobb, Allen Lazard, Amari Rodgers, Malik Taylor, Juwann Winfree, Chris Blair and Rico Gafford.

Of the seven, only Cobb and Lazard have meaningful NFL experience, and neither is a legitimate No. 1 target. Rodgers played only sporadically as a rookie, Taylor and Winfree have 15 combined catches and Blair and Gafford have never been on the field in a regular-season NFL game.

So then, the bucket is half FULL?
;-)

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

24 Mar 2022 23:07

Trades are dumb. We need cheap players. Spending picks on guys who cost money right now is dumb.

It depends. There are plenty of trades that would make sense. Any combination of high draft pick or big contract, though, makes it less and less feasible or tolerable.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

24 Mar 2022 23:07

Trades are dumb. We need cheap players. Spending picks on guys who cost money right now is dumb.

Cheap players are a risk also. They are cheap for a reason. Sometimes guys break through but many times they are jags.

Trades aren't dumb. Maybe not always the way to go but saying they are dumb is a big stretch. Why do we need cheap players? It's not our money. The window is now. Fact is we don't have a wr room right now. We have cheap and it isn't gonna cut it.

We have 2 1s, 2 2s, and a full selection of draft picks...this is after a time period where people have said we were "all in."

We have now kicked the can further down the road and not paid a top WR. We have a little money to spend, now is the time to spend it.

The Packers currently have a 3rd round pick and 2 4th round picks.

This is how we have used our 3rd round picks in the last several drafts: Amari Rodgers, Deguara, Jace Sternberger, Oren Burks, Montravious Adams, Kyler Fackrell, Ty Montgomery, Khyri Thorton, Richard Rodgers, Alex Green.

My point is if that 3 can help us bring in someone who can help us RIGHT NOW.

I would do it in a heart beat.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

25 Mar 2022 09:20

We have 2 1s, 2 2s, and a full selection of draft picks...this is after a time period where people have said we were "all in."

We have now kicked the can further down the road and not paid a top WR. We have a little money to spend, now is the time to spend it.

The Packers currently have a 3rd round pick and 2 4th round picks.

This is how we have used our 3rd round picks in the last several drafts: Amari Rodgers, Deguara, Jace Sternberger, Oren Burks, Montravious Adams, Kyler Fackrell, Ty Montgomery, Khyri Thorton, Richard Rodgers, Alex Green.

My point is if that 3 can help us bring in someone who can help us RIGHT NOW.

I would do it in a heart beat.

You beat me to the 3rd disaster picks. I couldn't remember them all wo looking them up. We have to somehow get at least a fringe number 1 wr b4 the draft.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

25 Mar 2022 09:20

We have 2 1s, 2 2s, and a full selection of draft picks...this is after a time period where people have said we were "all in."

We have now kicked the can further down the road and not paid a top WR. We have a little money to spend, now is the time to spend it.

The Packers currently have a 3rd round pick and 2 4th round picks.

This is how we have used our 3rd round picks in the last several drafts: Amari Rodgers, Deguara, Jace Sternberger, Oren Burks, Montravious Adams, Kyler Fackrell, Ty Montgomery, Khyri Thorton, Richard Rodgers, Alex Green.

My point is if that 3 can help us bring in someone who can help us RIGHT NOW.

I would do it in a heart beat.

But is Corey Davis on a bloated contract really better than Will Fuller on a 1 year cheaper prove it deal?

Realist wrote: ↑

25 Mar 2022 10:28

Drj820 wrote: ↑

25 Mar 2022 09:20

We have 2 1s, 2 2s, and a full selection of draft picks...this is after a time period where people have said we were "all in."

We have now kicked the can further down the road and not paid a top WR. We have a little money to spend, now is the time to spend it.

The Packers currently have a 3rd round pick and 2 4th round picks.

This is how we have used our 3rd round picks in the last several drafts: Amari Rodgers, Deguara, Jace Sternberger, Oren Burks, Montravious Adams, Kyler Fackrell, Ty Montgomery, Khyri Thorton, Richard Rodgers, Alex Green.

My point is if that 3 can help us bring in someone who can help us RIGHT NOW.

I would do it in a heart beat.

You beat me to the 3rd disaster picks. I couldn't remember them all wo looking them up. We have to somehow get at least a fringe number 1 wr b4 the draft.

But what if we look at our 4th rounders? Royce Newman, Jamal Williams, Dean Lowry, Blake Martinez, David Bakhtiari, JC Tretter, Mike Daniels, TJ Lang, Josh Sitton.

Small sample sizes make these have skewed results.

Just point kind of being we shouldn't be so quick to write off 3rd round picks as worthless. Still much better odds we'll find a good player there over the 4th round.

BF004 wrote: ↑

25 Mar 2022 10:54

Realist wrote: ↑

25 Mar 2022 10:28

Drj820 wrote: ↑

25 Mar 2022 09:20

We have 2 1s, 2 2s, and a full selection of draft picks...this is after a time period where people have said we were "all in."

We have now kicked the can further down the road and not paid a top WR. We have a little money to spend, now is the time to spend it.

The Packers currently have a 3rd round pick and 2 4th round picks.

This is how we have used our 3rd round picks in the last several drafts: Amari Rodgers, Deguara, Jace Sternberger, Oren Burks, Montravious Adams, Kyler Fackrell, Ty Montgomery, Khyri Thorton, Richard Rodgers, Alex Green.

My point is if that 3 can help us bring in someone who can help us RIGHT NOW.

I would do it in a heart beat.

You beat me to the 3rd disaster picks. I couldn't remember them all wo looking them up. We have to somehow get at least a fringe number 1 wr b4 the draft.

But what if we look at our 4th rounders? Royce Newman, Jamal Williams, Dean Lowry, Blake Martinez, David Bakhtiari, JC Tretter, Mike Daniels, TJ Lang, Josh Sitton.

Small sample sizes make these have skewed results.

Just point kind of being we shouldn't be so quick to write off 3rd round picks as worthless. Still much better odds we'll find a good player there over the 4th round.

3rd round picks are very important. The point was that we never seem to get it even close to right. Meaning draft picks are just speculative. If you can get a proven player it's worth the draft pick.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

24 Mar 2022 23:07

Trades are dumb. We need cheap players. Spending picks on guys who cost money right now is dumb.

To clarify what drunk YoHo was saying:

Obviously not ALL trades are dumb.

But when you have long-term cap constraints, you need to hit on as many draft picks for cheap labor as possible, and thus, you need to take as many draft swings as possible. This is how you revamp a roster in a hurry.

Therefore, I do not think ANY veteran WR acquisition is worth any of our picks in the top 3, maybe 4 rounds. I want to USE those picks. And I want players on rookie contracts.

Further, the types of names we're looking at: DK Metcalf would cost a bunch of picks and want to be paid mega-bucks within a year. Corey Davis and DeVante Parker would cost a mid-round picks and are on a veteran contracts.

Meanwhile, our need for a instantly-ready-to-play veteran could be filled in the short term probably cheaper without paying mega dollars and without using draft compensation through the available free agent class.

You may not be EXCIYED about a cheap Sammy Watkins deal, but he will learn the systema and contribute immediately for very few dollars and allow us to use a draft pick we would have traded to take a swing at the future of the position.

Andy Herman did a WR dive recently and concluded that about 1 in 3 WRs drafted in the first 2 rounds contributed immediately. Take 3 in the first 3 rounds, odds are we get one that hits.

Add any of:
- Sammy Watkins
- Julio Jones
- AJ Green
- Jarvis Landry
- Will Fuller
- TY Hilton
- Keelan Cole

It just makes SO much more sense to me to sign 1 or 2 of these guys on the cheap and maintain our full compliment of draft picks to try to build a bridge to the future in that position (and get young, cheap contributors for the next 3 years), who will certainly have some impact as rookies, to complement the veterans and fill out the roster at this position.

I genuinely can't get over how much sense Sammy Watkins makes. He's been an athletically capable role player in some spread-the-ball or run-first offenses for most of his career. He contributed to the Rams' offense under MLF in 2017 to the tune of 500 yards and 8 TDs. He has the size (6'1", 210ish pounds) not to be a run game liability. He'll only be 29 this season.

He's my top target. But if we added a field-stretcher like Will Fuller or even AJ Green (different kind of field stretcher; less pure speed more ball tracking, awareness, route savvy) alongside him, we'd be perfectly set up to have a nice corps this year at the position and to address it in the draft, still heavily.

I don't have a problem with any of those guys on short cheap deals. They aren't great but they can help. I still prefer cooks over all of them and IF that trade happened in wouldn't be for day 1 or 2 picks.

He makes so much sense to me. He's always produced no matter the QB. He turns 29 in Sept and can still fly. He is on his last year with some cap hits the next 2. There is no incentive to stay in Houston unless they are gonna pay him some crazy money.

A reasonable 3 deal along with adding early in the draft still create a bridge along with a WR1 ish player now.

We can all agree the Pack have options and avenues that can and will work

It would be malpractice to go into next year with what we currently have on the roster + rookies.

I still think we make a move to bring someone in who everyone agrees is actually good. This could be Lockett, Jarvis Landry, Brandin Cooks, or even "Colt" Beasley.

I would even see if miami was interested in parting with newly acquired Cedric Wilson as there is no way they thought they would get Tyreke when they signed him.

I actually like TY Hilton too.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

25 Mar 2022 12:40

"Colt" Beasley

Gross.

NCF wrote: ↑

25 Mar 2022 13:24

Drj820 wrote: ↑

25 Mar 2022 12:40

"Colt" Beasley

Gross.

Gross isn't a strong enough word.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

25 Mar 2022 12:40

It would be malpractice to go into next year with what we currently have on the roster + rookies.

Absolutely no one is suggesting that, though.

I'm quarrelling with the seeming assumption by many here that players already on teams are inherently better than the ones available in free agency.

And while I understand that we lost a speed dimension in MVS and need to replace it, I don't understand why so many people are pushing these slight-framed undersized speed options for us. It's a fairly poor fit for our offense, especially if we want to get more involved in the run game.

That's why the veterans I'm MOST interested in are Watkins, Julio, and AJ Green, who all have nice size to go along with experience and athletic gifts. Green, P.S. had 850 yards this past year as the Cardinals 3rd option. I don't understand why he isn't more appealing. Thirty-two years old and comparable production as Corey Davis in his two best years. Freely available and probably cheap.