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Yeah, will be a 25-year old rookie; don't know the backstoryBackthepack4ever wrote: ↑02 Mar 2023 16:39Bryan young had a huge season now killing the combine. I think he's old though
They said he went to work after hs bc nobody recruited him and he kept working to get in college. Pretty coolYoHoChecko wrote: ↑02 Mar 2023 17:04Yeah, will be a 25-year old rookie; don't know the backstoryBackthepack4ever wrote: ↑02 Mar 2023 16:39Bryan young had a huge season now killing the combine. I think he's old though
am I reading this right, his second run was official 4.39, if true he sure helped his draft valueYoop wrote: ↑02 Mar 2023 16:27agree, he blew the group up, some team will create a fit for him, I havn't researched him at all but that speed is impressive, the run didn't look as fast as it was either, effortless athletic ability always gets my attention.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑02 Mar 2023 16:20I did not expect Nolan Smith to be the A+ tester he's been today.
41.5" vertical
10' 8" broad jump
1.51 10-yard
4.44 40-time (unofficial)
He's small for an edge at only 238 but has such instincts and is a good run defender in space; might be a hybrid SLB/nickel rusher
Dang.
YoHoChecko wrote: ↑02 Mar 2023 17:22Drills:
I thought that USA Guy Tuli something looked good and strong.
Keion White is a freak; such smooth mover at 285
Someone's gonna find the right role for Adeboware, but I'm not sure our defense is it; like him, but the way he moves, you have to wonder if slimming him down to keep him at edge makes more sense than trying to move him inside? Tough dilemma for the guy
Caleb Murphy kept slipping; that's the Ferris St kid who had 25.5 sacks this past season.
Will McDonald looks atheltic af, though he had some slips, too.
DJ loves Jose Ramirez and kept talking him up through the drills. He looked fine to me, but it felt like confirmation bias to keep banging on it
YaYa Diaby looked a lot more athletic and smooth than his scouting reports would indicate; he's a guy to go back and look more into later; sounds like he was a 5-tech in college at 262, so definitely not going to be his best position. Ran a 4.5 with a 1.56 10-yard and the drills looked smoooooth
Man, gunna have to give him another look. That is freak top 5-10 athleticism.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑02 Mar 2023 16:20I did not expect Nolan Smith to be the A+ tester he's been today.
41.5" vertical
10' 8" broad jump
1.51 10-yard
4.44 40-time (unofficial)
He's small for an edge at only 238 but has such instincts and is a good run defender in space; might be a hybrid SLB/nickel rusher
Dang.
Faster/Smaller Bruce Irvin?? I can't think of another EDGE that was that small and moderately successful.BF004 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2023 19:00Man, gunna have to give him another look. That is freak top 5-10 athleticism.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑02 Mar 2023 16:20I did not expect Nolan Smith to be the A+ tester he's been today.
41.5" vertical
10' 8" broad jump
1.51 10-yard
4.44 40-time (unofficial)
He's small for an edge at only 238 but has such instincts and is a good run defender in space; might be a hybrid SLB/nickel rusher
Dang.
240 isn’t ‘that’ small. Wish he could hold a good 255 or so on that frame.
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2023 19:14Faster/Smaller Bruce Irvin?? I can't think of another EDGE that was that small and moderately successful.BF004 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2023 19:00Man, gunna have to give him another look. That is freak top 5-10 athleticism.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑02 Mar 2023 16:20I did not expect Nolan Smith to be the A+ tester he's been today.
41.5" vertical
10' 8" broad jump
1.51 10-yard
4.44 40-time (unofficial)
He's small for an edge at only 238 but has such instincts and is a good run defender in space; might be a hybrid SLB/nickel rusher
Dang.
240 isn’t ‘that’ small. Wish he could hold a good 255 or so on that frame.
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2023 19:14Faster/Smaller Bruce Irvin?? I can't think of another EDGE that was that small and moderately successful.BF004 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2023 19:00Man, gunna have to give him another look. That is freak top 5-10 athleticism.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑02 Mar 2023 16:20I did not expect Nolan Smith to be the A+ tester he's been today.
41.5" vertical
10' 8" broad jump
1.51 10-yard
4.44 40-time (unofficial)
He's small for an edge at only 238 but has such instincts and is a good run defender in space; might be a hybrid SLB/nickel rusher
Dang.
240 isn’t ‘that’ small. Wish he could hold a good 255 or so on that frame.
He’s an absolute beast. Really important workout for him. Honestly even the difference between his unofficial 4.71 and official 4.65 matters because he was known not to have *elite* LB speed, but he has to show that he had *enough* LB speed to utilize his instincts and football IQ on all three downs
Those smaller and faster are ideal for a 4-3-4 DE. Or a 4-2-5. Which might be ideal for Gary too. But GB runs a 3-4-4 or a 3-3-5 - and its not working.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑02 Mar 2023 23:42For all the talk of prospects getting bigger and faster and stronger over time, it’s worth noting that the DTs in this class did not get bigger and faster. They got smaller and faster or bigger and slower.
We don’t have any guys over 300 pounds that tested really well. Dexter from Florida is the one exception to an extent, but he really only stood out in the 40, while his 10-yard was somehow still subpar and he’s noted for being slow off the snap on film.
Mazi Smith would have changed this conversation, but it goes beyond there being no Jordan Davis because he was truly unique. There’s no Devonte Wyatt, either. Heck, there’s no TJ Slaton (5.09 at 330 pounds)
Not really sure what to do with all these athletic 280 pound guys. Some are clearly jumbo edges with the requisite length and fluidity like Keion White. But most just confuse me. Beyond the headlines like Adeboware and Kancey today, all the top DT 40 times are sub-300 pounds. Breese just barely, but you have Redmond and Pickens and Ojomo who all added weight to get into the low 290s and ran in the 4.9-5.1 range.
Maybe I’m too damaged by the Datone Jones experience, but it feels like there aren’t many examples of these bodies excelling in the NFL right now, so even the whole “it’s a new game” doesn’t really do it for me.
Maybe it’s just not the best year to find interior DL help
Jalen Carter going to do testing at his pro day? He was 314.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑02 Mar 2023 23:42For all the talk of prospects getting bigger and faster and stronger over time, it’s worth noting that the DTs in this class did not get bigger and faster. They got smaller and faster or bigger and slower.
We don’t have any guys over 300 pounds that tested really well. Dexter from Florida is the one exception to an extent, but he really only stood out in the 40, while his 10-yard was somehow still subpar and he’s noted for being slow off the snap on film.
Mazi Smith would have changed this conversation, but it goes beyond there being no Jordan Davis because he was truly unique. There’s no Devonte Wyatt, either. Heck, there’s no TJ Slaton (5.09 at 330 pounds)
Not really sure what to do with all these athletic 280 pound guys. Some are clearly jumbo edges with the requisite length and fluidity like Keion White. But most just confuse me. Beyond the headlines like Adeboware and Kancey today, all the top DT 40 times are sub-300 pounds. Breese just barely, but you have Redmond and Pickens and Ojomo who all added weight to get into the low 290s and ran in the 4.9-5.1 range.
Maybe I’m too damaged by the Datone Jones experience, but it feels like there aren’t many examples of these bodies excelling in the NFL right now, so even the whole “it’s a new game” doesn’t really do it for me.
Maybe it’s just not the best year to find interior DL help
Might force defenses to play my preferred style!YoHoChecko wrote: ↑02 Mar 2023 23:42For all the talk of prospects getting bigger and faster and stronger over time, it’s worth noting that the DTs in this class did not get bigger and faster. They got smaller and faster or bigger and slower.
We don’t have any guys over 300 pounds that tested really well. Dexter from Florida is the one exception to an extent, but he really only stood out in the 40, while his 10-yard was somehow still subpar and he’s noted for being slow off the snap on film.
Mazi Smith would have changed this conversation, but it goes beyond there being no Jordan Davis because he was truly unique. There’s no Devonte Wyatt, either. Heck, there’s no TJ Slaton (5.09 at 330 pounds)
Not really sure what to do with all these athletic 280 pound guys. Some are clearly jumbo edges with the requisite length and fluidity like Keion White. But most just confuse me. Beyond the headlines like Adeboware and Kancey today, all the top DT 40 times are sub-300 pounds. Breese just barely, but you have Redmond and Pickens and Ojomo who all added weight to get into the low 290s and ran in the 4.9-5.1 range.
Maybe I’m too damaged by the Datone Jones experience, but it feels like there aren’t many examples of these bodies excelling in the NFL right now, so even the whole “it’s a new game” doesn’t really do it for me.
Maybe it’s just not the best year to find interior DL help