Thoughts on Chad Muma? I have seen some chatter on LB's, but haven't seen his name mentioned much. Kind of looks like Oren Burks in many ways with noted football instincts as a clear strength (obviously in stark contrast to Burks).
Thoughts on Chad Muma? I have seen some chatter on LB's, but haven't seen his name mentioned much. Kind of looks like Oren Burks in many ways with noted football instincts as a clear strength (obviously in stark contrast to Burks).
Wasn't instincts and intelligence Burke's strength too?
Everyone seemed to love he was so "football instinctual" that he could play all levels of the defense for Vanderbilt because they needed him to.
Re: 2022 Draft Discussion
Posted: 07 Apr 2022 12:31
by paco
What are peoples' thoughts on Quay Walker? I've seen him starting to get end of round 1 talk. Others have him round 4.
Thoughts on Chad Muma? I have seen some chatter on LB's, but haven't seen his name mentioned much. Kind of looks like Oren Burks in many ways with noted football instincts as a clear strength (obviously in stark contrast to Burks).
He's a guy a like. I'm particularly interested in a lot of these guys who can play around the defense, Muma looks like one of them.
Similarly intrigued by Beavers, and a few others whose names I can't remember.
Re: 2022 Draft Discussion
Posted: 07 Apr 2022 12:49
by YoHoChecko
I love Muma, Walker, and Beavers. For different reasons and at different values, but all three y’all are discussing. Right up my alley. Big fans.
Thoughts on Chad Muma? I have seen some chatter on LB's, but haven't seen his name mentioned much. Kind of looks like Oren Burks in many ways with noted football instincts as a clear strength (obviously in stark contrast to Burks).
Wasn't instincts and intelligence Burke's strength too?
Everyone seemed to love he was so "football instinctual" that he could play all levels of the defense for Vanderbilt because they needed him to.
I think they stretched he's really smart into he's football smart. He was so raw and inexperienced at LB that it was likely hard to grade his football instincts. Based on what we saw in GB, I can only assume they didn't see much and thought, well, we can coach that up.
Re: 2022 Draft Discussion
Posted: 07 Apr 2022 15:41
by YoHoChecko
Not that ESPN's Todd McShay/Scouts, Inc. rankings are the be-all of rankings, but I do find them a very convenient, deep list with enough credibility to take even the later-round rankings seriously....
and I just looked through from picks 101 to 160 and there are no fewer than 24 guys out of those 60 that are on my radar as guys I particularly like as targets, and man, nearly 50% of 4th/5th round draft slots is a LOT of love for those rounds.
What a strange place in the draft to find a personal value bubble. Load me up on micro-trade-backs to stockpile 4th and 5th round picks!
I believe I'm also to the point where I would simply be downright happy with George Pickens at 22.
I think we could get him later, but if the Packers think that highly of him, then I love it.
But that whole we could have got him later thing is always a fools argument.
I feel like almost all his knocks are that he is thin and wiry. But almost all game film from his is from '19 and '20 when he was 18 and 19 years old, and even then he was the best athlete on the field in the SEC.
Re: 2022 Draft Discussion
Posted: 08 Apr 2022 07:13
by YoHoChecko
Pickens is obviously a better WR than Olave. I mean, I just don’t understand watching them both and having anyone conclude otherwise.
My ONLY question about Pickens, because it was a question in college, is unanswerable: will he work hard enough to reach his potential in the NFL? That’s why the visit is important. The team spent some time getting to know the kid. They’ll have a better answer to that question than any of us can.
Pickens is obviously a better WR than Olave. I mean, I just don’t understand watching them both and having anyone conclude otherwise.
My ONLY question about Pickens, because it was a question in college, is unanswerable: will he work hard enough to reach his potential in the NFL? That’s why the visit is important. The team spent some time getting to know the kid. They’ll have a better answer to that question than any of us can.
I have a feeling Olave will be falling, and folks who haven't watched his tape go
Pickens moves so much quicker and sharper. Could do real well in the slot for a big guy, because makes such crisp cuts.
His effort in run blocking is laughable, tho. Looks like a fool when just stopping to block after 2 secs and lets his guy go make the tackle. I dunno if that's a part of low-effort character, diva WR mentality (peasants block, I'm a star) or what.
Re: 2022 Draft Discussion
Posted: 08 Apr 2022 08:09
by Drj820
So if the hype train builds toward Pickens as we close in on the draft and his projections start to soar up the board. Anyone like him enough to move up if needed to ensure we can grab him? We have the ammo.
So if the hype train builds toward Pickens as we close in on the draft and his projections start to soar up the board. Anyone like him enough to move up if needed to ensure we can grab him? We have the ammo.
I'm leaning toward the Packers trading up but not for WR. Ideally, they could package 28 and a 2nd rounder to grab a defensive player they like, then use 22 on Pickens.
But anything is possible with Gutey. He could decide this is the year for a 1st round WR and make sure he goes and gets him.
Re: 2022 Draft Discussion
Posted: 08 Apr 2022 09:11
by NCF
It's Draft season, so...
I hate George Pickens. There, I said it. Diva mentality, lack of production, injury history... I just don't see the Packers being enamored with his profile, so I expect I don't have much to worry about, but for the rest of you... sorry?
So if the hype train builds toward Pickens as we close in on the draft and his projections start to soar up the board. Anyone like him enough to move up if needed to ensure we can grab him? We have the ammo.
I'm leaning toward the Packers trading up but not for WR. Ideally, they could package 28 and a 2nd rounder to grab a defensive player they like, then use 22 on Pickens.
But anything is possible with Gutey. He could decide this is the year for a 1st round WR and make sure he goes and gets him.
who? it would have to be a edge rusher because there are big boards that don't have a first round grade on any DT, and there are very good edge rushers scattered throughout the first round, we can't afford to trade up for the best because they will go top 12 or so, and the rest that are still very good will be available for us at either of our first round slots, or did you have a safety or CB in mind?
Yoho: your relentless disproval of Olave is well noted, but he is probably one of the best separaters in this class, runs excellent routes, catches anything thrown to him, and has deep speed, thats why he is rated top twenty he has 3 seasons of proven success.
I like Pickens to, I think he favored his knee last year, but has he ever played a full season of college ball ( I didn't look, guilty as charged ) so that might be the biggest reason I havn't seen top 30 grades, people worry about his durability, I'd like him or Watkins with one of our second round picks
So if the hype train builds toward Pickens as we close in on the draft and his projections start to soar up the board. Anyone like him enough to move up if needed to ensure we can grab him? We have the ammo.
I'm leaning toward the Packers trading up but not for WR. Ideally, they could package 28 and a 2nd rounder to grab a defensive player they like, then use 22 on Pickens.
But anything is possible with Gutey. He could decide this is the year for a 1st round WR and make sure he goes and gets him.
who? it would have to be a edge rusher because there are big boards that don't have a first round grade on any DT, and there are very good edge rushers scattered throughout the first round, we can't afford to trade up for the best because they will go top 12 or so, and the rest that are still very good will be available for us at either of our first round slots, or did you have a safety or CB in mind?
Yoho: your relentless disproval of Olave is well noted, but he is probably one of the best separaters in this class, runs excellent routes, catches anything thrown to him, and has deep speed, thats why he is rated top twenty he has 3 seasons of proven success.
I like Pickens to, I think he favored his knee last year, but has he ever played a full season of college ball ( I didn't look, guilty as charged ) so that might be the biggest reason I havn't seen top 30 grades, people worry about his durability, I'd like him or Watkins with one of our second round picks
I'm not worried about other people's big boards. Who knows who is on the Packers. We certainly can get into the top 12 if we want to. 22 and 53 along could possibly get us to 11. Add in some other picks and we can go as high as we want.
A few names that come to mind as possible trade up targets. Thibodeaux (if he falls like some think), Walker (if his top 3 draft hype is just hype), Stingley/Hamilton/Gardner/Booth (if we are enamored with a top DB). I think Jordan Davis will go higher than most think and could be a target.
Re: 2022 Draft Discussion
Posted: 08 Apr 2022 10:08
by BF004
I feel like I organically brought up Pickens a few days ago on my own, now I'm mad he is getting like universal hype, makes me seem like a bandwagon jumper onner,
Re: 2022 Draft Discussion
Posted: 08 Apr 2022 10:16
by Labrev
I like Pickens's athletic talent but also agree with NCF, definitely get worried with guys who get complacent.
I don't know enough to judge and if our brass is not worried about it, I won't either, but for the moment I am just kind of lukewarm on him.
Re: 2022 Draft Discussion
Posted: 08 Apr 2022 10:24
by Drj820
Pickens is sort of like Stokes in that he wasnt really talked too much about as a first round pick, but all his measurables scream first rounder.
Stokes seems more available and more stable, just thinking how they both have crazy measurables but for some reason arent top prospects (at least at beginning of process)
I remember thinking Stokes was second round material because he gambled alot in college and guessed wrong and was a poor tackler. He proved me wrong though. He had a great rookie campaign!
I'm leaning toward the Packers trading up but not for WR. Ideally, they could package 28 and a 2nd rounder to grab a defensive player they like, then use 22 on Pickens.
But anything is possible with Gutey. He could decide this is the year for a 1st round WR and make sure he goes and gets him.
who? it would have to be a edge rusher because there are big boards that don't have a first round grade on any DT, and there are very good edge rushers scattered throughout the first round, we can't afford to trade up for the best because they will go top 12 or so, and the rest that are still very good will be available for us at either of our first round slots, or did you have a safety or CB in mind?
Yoho: your relentless disproval of Olave is well noted, but he is probably one of the best separaters in this class, runs excellent routes, catches anything thrown to him, and has deep speed, thats why he is rated top twenty he has 3 seasons of proven success.
I like Pickens to, I think he favored his knee last year, but has he ever played a full season of college ball ( I didn't look, guilty as charged ) so that might be the biggest reason I havn't seen top 30 grades, people worry about his durability, I'd like him or Watkins with one of our second round picks
I'm not worried about other people's big boards. Who knows who is on the Packers. We certainly can get into the top 12 if we want to. 22 and 53 along could possibly get us to 11. Add in some other picks and we can go as high as we want.
A few names that come to mind as possible trade up targets. Thibodeaux (if he falls like some think), Walker (if his top 3 draft hype is just hype), Stingley/Hamilton/Gardner/Booth (if we are enamored with a top DB). I think Jordan Davis will go higher than most think and could be a target.
Thibo isn't going to drop, that to me is what always happens to some top recruit every year, obviously sometimes it's legit, imo though most times there rumors that lack any foundation, and always there are guys with far more question marks then answers that jump up such as Walker, and it's mostly a result of Combine workouts, seriously, if people would pay more attention to pre combine grades based on last seasons college evals there mocks would more closely resemble draft day results, sure a great combine will expose a players athletic ability, but that doesn't always transpire to how well the player will do in the nfl.
again, why would we give up such valuable picks to trade up for a CB, when we already have 3 very good ones, same at safety, ILB, maybe, but we already have two good starters, I'd move up for a dire need like WR, maybe even DT, but for what we want from a DT the cupboard is bare, Davis according to some has a lot to learn about leverage, and he has zero pass rush technical ability, yes he is very athletic, but so have been so many that failed, people reach every year for DT's and most bust, they dominate weaker college OL, get to the pros and struggle, NFL OL are so much better then college olines, I'd rather wait for one with this class.
) so that might be the biggest reason I havn't seen top 30 grades, people worry about his durability, I'd like him or Watkins with one of our second round picks