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Re: Steelers @ Packers GDT 10/3/2021 at 3:25 CST

Posted: 04 Oct 2021 08:20
by go pak go
Pckfn23 wrote:
04 Oct 2021 08:15
go pak go wrote:
04 Oct 2021 07:46
On the blocked kick, he let both go.
He got a hand on both guys, but they had such a jump that he was playing from behind. When blocking FGs, step down, get a hand on the outside guy to slow him up a bit. He did screw up not getting more of a piece of Fitzpatrick.

I still can't believe we do not have a LoS shot from that play... How is that possible in today's NFL.
I mean conventional wisdom tells you they HAD to have lined up offsides right? Watching it live you're just like, "there is absolutely no way they can get there THAT fast"

Even if they did time it just perfect.

Re: Steelers @ Packers GDT 10/3/2021 at 3:25 CST

Posted: 04 Oct 2021 08:23
by YoHoChecko
go pak go wrote:
04 Oct 2021 08:20
I mean conventional wisdom tells you they HAD to have lined up offsides right? Watching it live you're just like, "there is absolutely no way they can get there THAT fast"

Even if they did time it just perfect.
That's basically what MLF said in the presser. Wants to review if there's something they're doing to tip opposing teams off, as well.

Re: Steelers @ Packers GDT 10/3/2021 at 3:25 CST

Posted: 04 Oct 2021 08:29
by go pak go
I think what excites me most about yesterday is once again our Oline. I can't say it enough how impressed I am with them, but beyond that, I am really happy with finding a target and weapon in the middle of the field not named Tonyan.

This offense is finding different ways to beat defenses each week.

Re: Steelers @ Packers GDT 10/3/2021 at 3:25 CST

Posted: 04 Oct 2021 08:29
by Pckfn23
I will say that the injuries are starting to pile up a bit. That is something that worries me.

Re: Steelers @ Packers GDT 10/3/2021 at 3:25 CST

Posted: 04 Oct 2021 08:31
by YoHoChecko
Pckfn23 wrote:
04 Oct 2021 08:29
I will say that the injuries are starting to pile up a bit. That is something that worries me.
Depends on how long they are. The downside of the great new IR rules is that when someone is IR'd, it can be for 3 weeks or the year and the team isn't super hyped to tell us which is which.

Re: Steelers @ Packers GDT 10/3/2021 at 3:25 CST

Posted: 04 Oct 2021 08:36
by Drj820
Tonyan is off to a really slow start, and we know how much Rodgers would like to get him the ball. He is either just not getting open, or that wrinkle in the offense is yet to be unleashed. Even his td catch against the lions was just a perfect pass, not really open at all. He has had a couple plays designed for him, but overall almost giving us nothing down field each game. Less than 10 yards in 3 of 4 games.

Re: Steelers @ Packers GDT 10/3/2021 at 3:25 CST

Posted: 04 Oct 2021 08:41
by YoHoChecko
"Enjoy the opportunity to play this game; not taking it for granted. It's tough to win in this league. A lot of time people say, 'act like you've been there' and I think there's something to that. I grew up enjoying Barry Sanders and every time he scored a touchdown--Larry Fitzgerald as well--ya know, he'd hand the ball to the referee. I respect that.

But at the same time, if that inhibits your ability to enjoy the beauty that this game offers and how difficult it is to win, you probably should adjust your perspective. I wanted to encourage those guys to enjoy and to show that joy and that love for the game and that happiness because it is really hard to win."

- Aaron Rodgers

Re: Steelers @ Packers GDT 10/3/2021 at 3:25 CST

Posted: 04 Oct 2021 08:42
by YoHoChecko
Drj820 wrote:
04 Oct 2021 08:36
Tonyan is off to a really slow start, and we know how much Rodgers would like to get him the ball. He is either just not getting open, or that wrinkle in the offense is yet to be unleashed. Even his td catch against the lions was just a perfect pass, not really open at all. He has had a couple plays designed for him, but overall almost giving us nothing down field each game. Less than 10 yards in 3 of 4 games.
I think this has a LOT more to do with the OL situation and the amount the TEs are being asked to block or at least chip. Bosa and Watt two weeks in a row without Bakh and Jenkins--both Rodgers and MLF mentioned the TE room stepping up and helping out with that.

Re: Steelers @ Packers GDT 10/3/2021 at 3:25 CST

Posted: 04 Oct 2021 08:48
by go pak go
Pckfn23 wrote:
04 Oct 2021 08:29
I will say that the injuries are starting to pile up a bit. That is something that worries me.
The benefit with Jaire is if he is going to miss 2 - 3 weeks, this is the stretch to do that. Get ready by AZ.

But there is the fact that this team has what...3 All Pro's/Blues on Defense and 4 blue chips on offense?

2 of them are now out on offense and defense. That is a LOT of top players out for a team.

I know we all like to look at 2010, but we never really had our top guys out beyond Rodgers for 6 quarters and Woodson for a half. So how we have been able to float this boat so far has been impressive.

At the minimum, hopefully King comes back this next week. He was at Lambeau on Sunday so I would imagine he is on the right side of the concussion protocol.

Re: Steelers @ Packers GDT 10/3/2021 at 3:25 CST

Posted: 04 Oct 2021 08:51
by Drj820
YoHoChecko wrote:
04 Oct 2021 08:42
Drj820 wrote:
04 Oct 2021 08:36
Tonyan is off to a really slow start, and we know how much Rodgers would like to get him the ball. He is either just not getting open, or that wrinkle in the offense is yet to be unleashed. Even his td catch against the lions was just a perfect pass, not really open at all. He has had a couple plays designed for him, but overall almost giving us nothing down field each game. Less than 10 yards in 3 of 4 games.
I think this has a LOT more to do with the OL situation and the amount the TEs are being asked to block or at least chip. Bosa and Watt two weeks in a row without Bakh and Jenkins--both Rodgers and MLF mentioned the TE room stepping up and helping out with that.
Very good point, probably true.

Re: Steelers @ Packers GDT 10/3/2021 at 3:25 CST

Posted: 04 Oct 2021 08:58
by Pckfn23
YoHoChecko wrote:
04 Oct 2021 08:31
Pckfn23 wrote:
04 Oct 2021 08:29
I will say that the injuries are starting to pile up a bit. That is something that worries me.
Depends on how long they are. The downside of the great new IR rules is that when someone is IR'd, it can be for 3 weeks or the year and the team isn't super hyped to tell us which is which.
Bakhtiari out until week 7 at earliest.
Z. Smith out until who knows when.
King out the last 2 weeks.
Jenkins out the last 2 weeks.
MVS out for another 2 weeks.
Alexander out for an undisclosed amount of time.

Those are some big names and that list is getting longer. 4 of those 6 are Pro Bowlers.

Re: Steelers @ Packers GDT 10/3/2021 at 3:25 CST

Posted: 04 Oct 2021 08:59
by Yoop
YoHoChecko wrote:
04 Oct 2021 08:41
"Enjoy the opportunity to play this game; not taking it for granted. It's tough to win in this league. A lot of time people say, 'act like you've been there' and I think there's something to that. I grew up enjoying Barry Sanders and every time he scored a touchdown--Larry Fitzgerald as well--ya know, he'd hand the ball to the referee. I respect that.

But at the same time, if that inhibits your ability to enjoy the beauty that this game offers and how difficult it is to win, you probably should adjust your perspective. I wanted to encourage those guys to enjoy and to show that joy and that love for the game and that happiness because it is really hard to win."

- Aaron Rodgers
true story.

I complimented a older Vicky fan the other day, we conversed about the good and mostly bad times associated with being fans of our teams, ours, the two decades of incompetent FO decision making, his, the bad luck of the Bud Grant teams losing 4 SB's, all of a sudden out of the blue, he spouts how he hates all the player celebrations, SPECIALLY Leroy Butler and the Lambeau leap, I gave him one of those drop jaw, open mouth stares, and simply said that maybe if Bud Grant had let his players enjoy success more they might have won one or two of those contest.

why players are forced to hide there excitement and joy bewilders me, thats not humility, thats suppression.

Re: Steelers @ Packers GDT 10/3/2021 at 3:25 CST

Posted: 04 Oct 2021 09:04
by Drj820
Missing 6 preferred starters (dont forget Barnes and having to play Burks) is why I think beating the Steelers soundly was so awesome. We played a B game and won handily while missing key guys...thats super encouraging!

Re: Steelers @ Packers GDT 10/3/2021 at 3:25 CST

Posted: 04 Oct 2021 09:06
by YoHoChecko
Pckfn23 wrote:
04 Oct 2021 08:58
Bakhtiari out until week 7 at earliest.
Z. Smith out until who knows when.
King out the last 2 weeks.
Jenkins out the last 2 weeks.
MVS out for another 2 weeks.
Alexander out for an undisclosed amount of time.

Those are some big names and that list is getting longer. 4 of those 6 are Pro Bowlers.
Yeah I guess what I mean is how much longer. Basically, I think we can tread water and persevere for 2 -3 more weeks. If everyone is back in time either for the Cardinals game (Thursday night so, might be a weird time for a return) or the Chiefs game there isn't a lot of consequence to the early injuries. We'll see. But yeah, it definitely bears monitoring, and I absolutely agree that the 2010 season is not a model to replicate; that's the exception not the rule.

Re: Steelers @ Packers GDT 10/3/2021 at 3:25 CST

Posted: 04 Oct 2021 09:50
by Drj820
I hope ESB doesnt find himself playing snaps until we get MVS back. I would much rather give those snaps to Malik Taylor or promote Winfree. The two backups I see that have the potential to actively hurt our chances to win are ESB and the guy who entered my dog house early and has never earned his way out...Oren Burks.

And for Oren to be playing over Ty Summers...well that just implies awful things about Ty.

Re: Steelers @ Packers GDT 10/3/2021 at 3:25 CST

Posted: 04 Oct 2021 10:43
by lupedafiasco
Drj820 wrote:
04 Oct 2021 09:50
I hope ESB doesnt find himself playing snaps until we get MVS back. I would much rather give those snaps to Malik Taylor or promote Winfree. The two backups I see that have the potential to actively hurt our chances to win are ESB and the guy who entered my dog house early and has never earned his way out...Oren Burks.

And for Oren to be playing over Ty Summers...well that just implies awful things about Ty.
I would only play ESB when Lazard needs a break. He’s a solid run blocker as well and offers about the same in the passing game. Outside of that Cobb proved he should be a mainstay in the slot. Rodgers can have his wrinkles and get prepped for next year but Cobb is a chain mover. 6 of his 8 catches are on 3rd downs and 1 of those 2 that weren’t was a TD. Rodgers needs that when teams are doing everything they can to shut down Adams.

Re: Steelers @ Packers GDT 10/3/2021 at 3:25 CST

Posted: 04 Oct 2021 10:45
by GJPackerBacker
Drj820 wrote:
03 Oct 2021 21:06
Trust me I know I am not above some good ole fashion hyperbole myself, but this is another example. Rodgers threw this ball when no one else was open on 3rd and 9, missed it by literally 6 inches. He got ripped and it was called a terrible throw. No way it was terrible haha. I’m
Usually the one ripping guys but I really just feel like picking on Burks tonight. Rodgers was average today, not great. But this pass was fine. Just an incompletion. No worries.

This was the 3rd and 9 early 4th quarter near our own goalline btw.
I had a good view of this play from our vantage point in the stands. At first I thought it was a bad throw then it seemed to me that AR was being very careful that there was no opportunity for an INT. So it was a deliberate conservative throw by a guy that hates to throw pics.

Also it was a good call-no catch.

Re: Steelers @ Packers GDT 10/3/2021 at 3:25 CST

Posted: 04 Oct 2021 13:51
by Pckfn23





2.05
According to PFF, this was on average how long Roethlisberger held the ball on all of his drop backs. And this is why the Green Bay Packers pass rush numbers won't turn any heads--it's incredibly hard to get home in that amount of time. With that said, they were still effective overall, getting to Big Ben when he did hold the ball, making him uncomfortable, and controlling the line of scrimmage. The Steelers would average less than 4.0 yards per carry as well.
9/15 and 2/4
Two of the more important stats that I always like to mention are third-down conversions and red zone efficiency.

Green Bay finished the game converting 9 of their 15 third-down attempts but were actually much better than that for much of the game. At one point in the second half, the Packers were 7 for 10 on third downs. In the red zone, they faced one of the better red zone defenses and would score a touchdown on just two of their four trips.

On the flip side, the Steelers converted just 4 of their 11 third-down attempts and were 0-2 on fourth downs. They also scored a touchdown on their only red zone trip.
10
This was another difficult matchup for a young Green Bay Packers offensive line as they were up against TJ Watt, Melvin Ingram, Cameron Heyward, and Alex Highsmith, but once again, they held up quite well.

Pittsburgh allowed just 88.3 rushing yards per game entering play, but the Packers totaled 129 yards on the ground at 4.0 yards per rush. According to PFF, the Green Bay offensive line would allow only 10 pressures in pass protection and were credited with only two sacks given up.
4 (again)
This is the number of healthy cornerbacks that the Green Bay Packers have on the active roster at the moment. Kevin King missed his second game with a concussion while Jaire Alexander suffered a shoulder injury, and we don't know the severity at this time.

That leaves the Packers with Eric Stokes, Chandon Sullivan, Shemar Jean-Charles, and Isaac Yiadom, as well as Kabion Ento on the practice squad. Depth at the cornerback position was a big concern entering the season, and now it is rearing its ugly head.
https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/green-bay ... umbers-117











Re: Steelers @ Packers GDT 10/3/2021 at 3:25 CST

Posted: 04 Oct 2021 13:54
by Pckfn23


Re: Steelers @ Packers GDT 10/3/2021 at 3:25 CST

Posted: 04 Oct 2021 14:29
by YoHoChecko
Awesome posts, tweets, analysis, [mention]Pckfn23[/mention]. Thanks!