Packers Huddle

go pak go wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2022 08:53

I would say the two things the Packers have done incredibly well in my lifetime as a fan is incredibly consistent play at the QB position and Offensive Line.

There are essentially 3 seasons where our offensive line has been horrible: 2005, 2015 and 2018. Those seasons are also likely the worst seasons for me as a fan. I don't know if it's a Stenovich leaving to OC thing or what....but it's absolutely astonishing to me how bad this group has gotten when we have all of our guys back.

I never dreamed they would be this bad with Bak and Jenkins out. Because we weren't last year.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2022 08:57

go pak go wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2022 08:53

I would say the two things the Packers have done incredibly well in my lifetime as a fan is incredibly consistent play at the QB position and Offensive Line.

There are essentially 3 seasons where our offensive line has been horrible: 2005, 2015 and 2018. Those seasons are also likely the worst seasons for me as a fan. I don't know if it's a Stenovich leaving to OC thing or what....but it's absolutely astonishing to me how bad this group has gotten when we have all of our guys back.

I never dreamed they would be this bad with Bak and Jenkins out. Because we weren't last year.

It's time for the Jenkins RT experiment and Newman as a starter to end. Get Tom or Nijman in there. It can't be much worse and could be a hell of a lot better.

go pak go wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2022 09:07

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2022 08:57

go pak go wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2022 08:53

I would say the two things the Packers have done incredibly well in my lifetime as a fan is incredibly consistent play at the QB position and Offensive Line.

There are essentially 3 seasons where our offensive line has been horrible: 2005, 2015 and 2018. Those seasons are also likely the worst seasons for me as a fan. I don't know if it's a Stenovich leaving to OC thing or what....but it's absolutely astonishing to me how bad this group has gotten when we have all of our guys back.

I never dreamed they would be this bad with Bak and Jenkins out. Because we weren't last year.

It's time for the Jenkins RT experiment and Newman as a starter to end. Get Tom or Nijman in there. It can't be much worse and could be a hell of a lot better.

I think people can tell I am pretty fed up. My outlook on this team is incredibly bleak.

Honestly I was still very optimistic at halftime because of our defense. But the 2nd half rolls around and our defense does its patented "allow three straight drives" and the offense does this garbage by pulling Royce Newman and inserting Jake Hanson only to see Hanson get hurt AND THEN PUTS BACK ROYCE NEWMAN.

I mean how laughable is that? You pull a player due to poor play and then insert that play immediately back in the game. At that point I lost all respect for our coaching staff. I don't know why it was such a pivotal moment for me, but that moment screamed declining days of Mike McCarthyism so, so much.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2022 09:32

go pak go wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2022 09:07

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2022 08:57

go pak go wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2022 08:53

I would say the two things the Packers have done incredibly well in my lifetime as a fan is incredibly consistent play at the QB position and Offensive Line.

There are essentially 3 seasons where our offensive line has been horrible: 2005, 2015 and 2018. Those seasons are also likely the worst seasons for me as a fan. I don't know if it's a Stenovich leaving to OC thing or what....but it's absolutely astonishing to me how bad this group has gotten when we have all of our guys back.

I never dreamed they would be this bad with Bak and Jenkins out. Because we weren't last year.

It's time for the Jenkins RT experiment and Newman as a starter to end. Get Tom or Nijman in there. It can't be much worse and could be a hell of a lot better.

I think people can tell I am pretty fed up. My outlook on this team is incredibly bleak.

Honestly I was still very optimistic at halftime because of our defense. But the 2nd half rolls around and our defense does its patented "allow three straight drives" and the offense does this garbage by pulling Royce Newman and inserting Jake Hanson only to see Hanson get hurt AND THEN PUTS BACK ROYCE NEWMAN.

I mean how laughable is that? You pull a player due to poor play and then insert that play immediately back in the game. At that point I lost all respect for our coaching staff. I don't know why it was such a pivotal moment for me, but that moment screamed declining days of Mike McCarthyism so, so much.

Yoop wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2022 09:48

go pak go wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2022 09:07

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2022 08:57

It's time for the Jenkins RT experiment and Newman as a starter to end. Get Tom or Nijman in there. It can't be much worse and could be a hell of a lot better.

I think people can tell I am pretty fed up. My outlook on this team is incredibly bleak.

Honestly I was still very optimistic at halftime because of our defense. But the 2nd half rolls around and our defense does its patented "allow three straight drives" and the offense does this garbage by pulling Royce Newman and inserting Jake Hanson only to see Hanson get hurt AND THEN PUTS BACK ROYCE NEWMAN.

I mean how laughable is that? You pull a player due to poor play and then insert that play immediately back in the game. At that point I lost all respect for our coaching staff. I don't know why it was such a pivotal moment for me, but that moment screamed declining days of Mike McCarthyism so, so much.

who else did you want them to put in?

go pak go wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2022 09:48

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2022 09:32

The more I think about it, the more I am starting to lean towards this being the worst loss in Packers history. Like this is worse than losing AZ in 2018 level because at least that game was close.

We lost by three scores at home to a bad QB and team who by and large (outside of Sauce and Williams) played bad. Or at the least not great.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2022 09:57

It’s almost like I said the best offensive line before the season started was Bak, Runyan, Myers, Jenkins, Tom because the drop off with Newman was so extreme.

bud fox wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2022 19:48

go pak go wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2022 19:35

bud fox wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2022 15:33

Wrs poor
Oline poor
Qb good
Rbs good but just not that valuable

QB who is back to back MVP and beat rated passer of all time isn't good?

Don't embarress yourself.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2022 17:46

Rodgers says offense needs to simplify scheme In order to be able to execute it.

I’m personally shocked simplifying the scheme wasn’t an automatic step one as soon as we decided to run the offense with rookie WRs and Hammy Watkins

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2022 10:21

go pak go wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2022 07:35

Yoop wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2022 07:13

go pak go wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2022 06:35

I don't think OBJ being out there yesterday would make a marked difference or our offense.

Our offense sucked because everyone on the Oline except Meyers got absolutely destroyed all day and Aaron Rodgers made poor decision after poor decision and threw bad ball after bad ball.

I just think there is too much of an emphasis on using the WRs as a crutch because it makes people feel good inside that "they aren't wrong". I thought honestly the best play of the day was made by our WRs. Lazard and Doubs both had AMAZING receptions.

And I am constantly hearing from people who watch the All-22 that our WRs are getting open every play. Romeo Doubs doesn't get close to an elite level PFF grade or "highest graded" by Andy Herman vs the Giants last week with little production because he isn't getting open.

you want to blame Rodgers, and he deserves his share, but in the time Rodgers has to set up and throw rarely is a receiver open, against man coverage all of our receivers struggle, you and others can high light when one is, but Rodgers under pressure can't see every receiver at every moment of a single play, even on the deep passes that are a bit off target, whats obvious is that receivers aren't tracking some of those passes which amounts to them not adjusting to make a catch.

I admit Rodgers has not been as sharp as he normally is, but this group of WR's don't worry DC's, we don't have a receiver that demands more then single coverage, they rarely ever even win a 1x1 contest.

from a clean pocket Rodgers has been one of the best in the league, but he's rarely had clean pockets this season.

theres a lot of blame to go around, but Guty not doing a better job of keeping the receiver group stocked with better talent tops my list, and all 22 with it's areal view can be used to show receivers open all the time, and on every play, but thats hardly the view a QB has trying to avoid pressure will scanning 3 or 4 receiver routes, Rodgers was pounded yesterday, but as usual he gets the majority of the blame.

lets sit him and play Love

Our primary issues on offense yesterday was the putrid lack of tryig to block anyone from the Oline and then Rodgers.

The skill position players were bad too. Especially AJ Dillon. Good lord was he bad.

But the blocking was atrocious. I can't think of any excuse how an Oline as good as we have can play so poorly.

The receiver discussion is like 3rd on the list of issues that need to get cleaned up. I have no issues saying we lack talent or experienced talent there. That's obvious. But the level of emphasis being placed on the WRs when there are clearly other more pressing issues is the laughable piece.

Like the thought that an OBJ or DJ Moore can just be plugged in and this offense turns successful is laughable.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2022 09:53

go pak go wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2022 09:48

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2022 09:32

The more I think about it, the more I am starting to lean towards this being the worst loss in Packers history. Like this is worse than losing AZ in 2018 level because at least that game was close.

We lost by three scores at home to a bad QB and team who by and large (outside of Sauce and Williams) played bad. Or at the least not great.

Jets are 4-2, not because they are bad. Far from the worst loss in Packer history. A game we should have won if we had some semblance of an offense and the special teams was not a disaster. It felt like we were still jet lagged from a week ago...

Pugger wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2022 11:13

I would think either player would be an improvement over the receiver room we have presently.