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Re: 2023 Packers Defense Expectations?
Posted: 08 Dec 2023 15:00
by BF004
LombardiTime wrote: ↑08 Dec 2023 10:52
Still mad that the refs did not give the ball to the Pack on Pickett's lateral that Rashan Gary recovered in Pittsburgh. I think we win if that happens.
That said, after seeing the Steelers get dominated, at home, by the lowly, 2 win Cardinals and Patriots (it was 21-3 NE at one point) within the past 4 days, I remain amazed that Joe Barry went into that game not wanting to get beat by Pitt's awful passing attack and seemed OK letting the Steelers run for 200+ yards.
10, 20, 10, 16, 10, 18, and 23 are Pittsburgh's point totals the past 7 weeks. We lost 23-19 to the Steelers.
The Giants have scored 0, 12, 3, 16, 9, 14, 10, 6, 17, and 10 in games so far this season. They average 12.3 ppg and only the Jets are wore.
Planning for NY to rely upon Barkley in the running game and holding them to 17 or fewer points should be the expectation Monday night.
I am kind of on the hunch that our defense isn't getting much better.
But our offense went from 4 three and outs in the first half to scoring like 3 times in the first half taking near 20 minutes of TOP.
D just still gives up these 5-7 minute scoring drives seemingly all the time, but just helps a ton more when they get less series and our offense is clicking.
Re: 2023 Packers Defense Expectations?
Posted: 08 Dec 2023 15:03
by NCF
LombardiTime wrote: ↑04 Dec 2023 10:51
Hated the 3rd and 18 3-man rush. Still hate the run defense.
But the reality is that the D, currently 14th in ppg, only gave up 19 points to the Chiefs and I have no doubt that it will be a top 10 unit by the end of the season after facing QBs Devito, Mayfield, Young, Dobbs (or Mullens or Hall), and Fields (possibly in his final game ever as a Bear) to end the season.
Joe Barry has not done enough to not get himself fired.
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/o ... s-per-game
I think a 3-man rush is oddly more effective in 3rd and Medium situations. Belichick has always run it. On 3rd and Long, it seems to fail, well, without fail.
Re: 2023 Packers Defense Expectations?
Posted: 08 Dec 2023 15:06
by Pckfn23
NCF wrote: ↑08 Dec 2023 14:12
I feel like this meets the eye test. The Packers defense is decent at keeping you out of the end zone, but worst in the league and making teams punt and flipping the field.
Looks like only 4 teams are tied or worse than us at giving up TDs/FGs & a first down. I should go back and try and see if we have improved over the last 3-4 weeks.
Re: 2023 Packers Defense Expectations?
Posted: 08 Dec 2023 15:11
by Pckfn23
Found it! They were at 81% exactly 1 month ago, just as they are now. 1% less on the TOs, 1% more on the Punts, 1% less on the FGs.
Re: 2023 Packers Defense Expectations?
Posted: 09 Dec 2023 12:55
by BSA
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Packers feeling Preston Smith's impact both on and off the field
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/1 ... the-field/
Veteran edge rusher Preston Smith is quietly having a productive season for the Packers, but just as important as his production is to the Packers, so is his leadership — not only in the edge rusher room but to the team as a whole.
“He’s the leader of the group,” said pass rush game coordinator Jason Rebrovich on Thursday. “There’s no doubt about it. It’s been that way before I even got here. I was having a great conversation about him not too long ago, just his leadership skills and what he brings.
“He’s got nine years of experience in this league. That’s a lot. I put my arm around him and ask him questions about what his daily routine is and how he does it. How he’s seen it.”
Re: 2023 Packers Defense Expectations?
Posted: 09 Dec 2023 14:00
by BSA
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Article on
CB Corey Ballentine and his journeyman journey to Titletown
https://www.packers.com/news/after-keep ... -green-bay
"Playing alongside nickel cornerback Keisean Nixon, Ballentine and Valentine have combined to play more than 900 defensive snaps this season. Ballentine's performance has come as no surprise to Nixon.
"C.B. earned every opportunity since he been here, and he been showing," Nixon said. "We came in together in 2019 and I watched him grow.
I don't know what it is about this 'G,' but it turns players into great players, for real."
Ballentine is the latest in a series of veteran defensive backs to have found new life in the Packers' secondary, including Nixon. A former undrafted free agent, Nixon signed with Green Bay in March 2022 after Las Vegas didn't extend a restricted tender.
The other posterchild for a career resurgence is former Packers cornerback Rasul Douglas, whom Green Bay signed off Arizona's practice squad one year earlier than it did Ballentine.
Douglas tallied 129 tackles, 32 passes defensed and 10 interceptions in 36 games (28 starts) for the Packers before being dealt to Buffalo in an October trade that netted Green Bay a third-round pick"
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Re: 2023 Packers Defense Expectations?
Posted: 10 Dec 2023 09:31
by go pak go
BSA wrote: ↑09 Dec 2023 14:00
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Article on
CB Corey Ballentine and his journeyman journey to Titletown
https://www.packers.com/news/after-keep ... -green-bay
"Playing alongside nickel cornerback Keisean Nixon, Ballentine and Valentine have combined to play more than 900 defensive snaps this season. Ballentine's performance has come as no surprise to Nixon.
"C.B. earned every opportunity since he been here, and he been showing," Nixon said. "We came in together in 2019 and I watched him grow.
I don't know what it is about this 'G,' but it turns players into great players, for real."
Ballentine is the latest in a series of veteran defensive backs to have found new life in the Packers' secondary, including Nixon. A former undrafted free agent, Nixon signed with Green Bay in March 2022 after Las Vegas didn't extend a restricted tender.
The other posterchild for a career resurgence is former Packers cornerback Rasul Douglas, whom Green Bay signed off Arizona's practice squad one year earlier than it did Ballentine.
Douglas tallied 129 tackles, 32 passes defensed and 10 interceptions in 36 games (28 starts) for the Packers before being dealt to Buffalo in an October trade that netted Green Bay a third-round pick"
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It's absolutely crazy how the draft status of our secondary has resulted in play the last 5 years.
High Draft Picks
Kevin King
Josh Jones
Jaire Alexander
Josh Jackson
Darnell Savage
Eric Stokes
Day 3 or Lower Draft Picks
Adrian Amos
Rudy Ford
Anthony Johnson Jr
Jonathan Owen
Rasul Douglas
Carrington Vallentine
Corey Ballentine
Keisean Nixon
Chandon Sullivan
Honestly Group 1 as a collective (even individually) might not be as productive as Group 2 as a collective
Re: 2023 Packers Defense Expectations?
Posted: 10 Dec 2023 09:55
by BF004
go pak go wrote: ↑10 Dec 2023 09:31
BSA wrote: ↑09 Dec 2023 14:00
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Article on
CB Corey Ballentine and his journeyman journey to Titletown
https://www.packers.com/news/after-keep ... -green-bay
"Playing alongside nickel cornerback Keisean Nixon, Ballentine and Valentine have combined to play more than 900 defensive snaps this season. Ballentine's performance has come as no surprise to Nixon.
"C.B. earned every opportunity since he been here, and he been showing," Nixon said. "We came in together in 2019 and I watched him grow.
I don't know what it is about this 'G,' but it turns players into great players, for real."
Ballentine is the latest in a series of veteran defensive backs to have found new life in the Packers' secondary, including Nixon. A former undrafted free agent, Nixon signed with Green Bay in March 2022 after Las Vegas didn't extend a restricted tender.
The other posterchild for a career resurgence is former Packers cornerback Rasul Douglas, whom Green Bay signed off Arizona's practice squad one year earlier than it did Ballentine.
Douglas tallied 129 tackles, 32 passes defensed and 10 interceptions in 36 games (28 starts) for the Packers before being dealt to Buffalo in an October trade that netted Green Bay a third-round pick"
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It's absolutely crazy how the draft status of our secondary has resulted in play the last 5 years.
High Draft Picks
Kevin King
Josh Jones
Jaire Alexander
Josh Jackson
Darnell Savage
Eric Stokes
Day 3 or Lower Draft Picks
Adrian Amos
Rudy Ford
Anthony Johnson Jr
Jonathan Owen
Rasul Douglas
Carrington Vallentine
Corey Ballentine
Keisean Nixon
Chandon Sullivan
Honestly Group 1 as a collective (even individually) might not be as productive as Group 2 as a collective
Rasul was a day 2 pick.
Re: 2023 Packers Defense Expectations?
Posted: 10 Dec 2023 10:25
by go pak go
Huh. You're right. 3rd round. I forgot about that.
I always had in my head he was a UDFA since he didn't last his rookie contract in Philly.
Re: 2023 Packers Defense Expectations?
Posted: 10 Dec 2023 10:43
by TheSkeptic
I don't think we can expect more than we have seen with Alexander being hurt most of the season and with both safeties hurt most of the season and with an ILB hurt in almost every game and also Stokes.
The upside is that there will be depth when the starters return.
Re: 2023 Packers Defense Expectations?
Posted: 11 Dec 2023 09:32
by LombardiTime
The Giants are currently 32nd, that is dead last, in offensive points per game averaging 12.3. (New England is 31st and averages 13 ppg).
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/o ... s-per-game
The Giants OLine is in disarray and is just not very good. The Giants give up a lot of sacks. QB Tommy Devito is a rookie UDFA.
The leading receiver is Darius Slayton with 435 yards.
Giants' fans and the GM are openly contemplating the upcoming draft.
Please Joe, don't let Barkley get established in the running game tonight and breath life into what is arguably the worst offense in the NFL.
Re: 2023 Packers Defense Expectations?
Posted: 11 Dec 2023 09:37
by go pak go
LombardiTime wrote: ↑11 Dec 2023 09:32
The Giants are currently 32nd, that is dead last, in offensive points per game averaging 12.3. (New England is 31st and averages 13 ppg).
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/o ... s-per-game
The Giants OLine is in disarray and is just not very good. The Giants give up a lot of sacks. QB Tommy Devito is a rookie UDFA.
The leading receiver is Darius Slayton with 435 yards.
Giants' fans and the GM are openly contemplating the upcoming draft.
Please Joe, don't let Barkley get established in the running game tonight and breath life into what is arguably the worst offense in the NFL.
Yup.
The Giants put up 31 vs the Cardinals and Commanders.
Otherwise the Giants have only had 2 other games where they scored 2 TDs.
All other games have been 1 TD or less (and therefore 13 or less points)
Re: 2023 Packers Defense Expectations?
Posted: 11 Dec 2023 09:43
by salmar80
LombardiTime wrote: ↑11 Dec 2023 09:32
The Giants are currently 32nd, that is dead last, in offensive points per game averaging 12.3. (New England is 31st and averages 13 ppg).
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/o ... s-per-game
The Giants OLine is in disarray and is just not very good. The Giants give up a lot of sacks. QB Tommy Devito is a rookie UDFA.
The leading receiver is Darius Slayton with 435 yards.
Giants' fans and the GM are openly contemplating the upcoming draft.
Please Joe, don't let Barkley get established in the running game tonight and breath life into what is arguably the worst offense in the NFL.
It is kinda amazing one would have to pray for it...
Re: 2023 Packers Defense Expectations?
Posted: 11 Dec 2023 09:59
by Pckfn23
We better see a decent amount of man tonight.
Re: 2023 Packers Defense Expectations?
Posted: 11 Dec 2023 22:51
by LombardiTime
LombardiTime wrote: ↑11 Dec 2023 09:32
The Giants are currently 32nd, that is dead last, in offensive points per game averaging 12.3. (New England is 31st and averages 13 ppg).
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/o ... s-per-game
The Giants OLine is in disarray and is just not very good. The Giants give up a lot of sacks. QB Tommy Devito is a rookie UDFA.
The leading receiver is Darius Slayton with 435 yards.
Giants' fans and the GM are openly contemplating the upcoming draft.
Please Joe, don't let Barkley get established in the running game tonight and breath life into what is arguably the worst offense in the NFL.
Well the Giants rushed for 200+ yards and Devito was not sacked once and rarely pressured.
This was all so predictable.
What a waste of an "experimental" season. We could have had a new DC putting his plan into place.
Instead, we worry about MLF extending his buddy.
Just sad.
Re: 2023 Packers Defense Expectations?
Posted: 12 Dec 2023 00:38
by Pckfn23
Re: 2023 Packers Defense Expectations?
Posted: 12 Dec 2023 00:41
by Pckfn23
Re: 2023 Packers Defense Expectations?
Posted: 12 Dec 2023 00:52
by Pckfn23
Re: 2023 Packers Defense Expectations?
Posted: 12 Dec 2023 07:39
by LombardiTime
Pack now 15th in opponent's offensive points per game.
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/o ... s-per-game
Re: 2023 Packers Defense Expectations?
Posted: 12 Dec 2023 07:53
by LombardiTime
Up to 31st in the NFL in rushing defense and closing fast on the 32nd ranked Broncos.
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/o ... s-per-game
