Packers Huddle

Drj820 wrote: ↑

12 Apr 2022 09:46

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

12 Apr 2022 09:33

Brett Favre
Jerry Rice
Walter Payton
Eric Dickerson
Terrell Owens
Isaac Bruce
Brandon Marshall
Cooper Kupp
Tony Romo
Terry Bradshaw
Steve McNair
John Stallworth
Andre Reed
David Johnson

To name a few. A mistake to dismiss them simply because they were not from Division 1 A/FBS/BCS

Also, I do not think anyone is advocating for taking Devin Heckstall or Dareke Young at 53...

did i say anyone was advocating for that or did i just say they might be late round gems?

Lenoir- Rhyne school enrollment, 1,700 did anyone on that list go to a school that small, this isn't just moving the goal post, it's full on destruction of them

obviously there are small school players that deserve to play in the NFL, many don't get to because they attended a small school, and never have the ability to show case there talent.

I am fully aware that FCS guys have done well in the NFL. The Chiefs Jerrick McKinnon was a friend of mine at former FCS powerhouse Georgia Southern University.

I still think the competition Jerrick played against warranted his 4th round draft selection, because his on field production warranted a first round selection.

FCS nfl prospects pay a tax for stat padding against future car salesmen and insurance reps. Does not mean some of them are not great players.

As for the D2 guy. He owes a big tax.

And that's the thing, "taxing" these guys simply because they didn't play in the FBS is a mistake. Take a look at their tape(evaluate with the perfective that it isn't FBS), find all the measurables, see how they did at the Senior Bowl or East/West Shrine game, interview, etc... Don't say they aren't worthy of a 1st round pick or 2nd round pick solely on where they played college ball, regardless or everything else. If that happens, then good players will be missed out on or from a fan perspective, evaluations will be skewed.

The tax is real. These are all guys that have insane production and light up film at the lower level. Yet, due to playing against lower competition...they continuously wait a little bit to hear their names called. The tax is simply due to the increased risk of selecting a guy you dont have any tape for going against anybody they might see in the NFL one day.

To what extent?

Since 2015 there have been 98 FCS players drafted.
yet, only 3 in the first round. 2 of these 3 are QBs: Trey Lance and Carson Wentz.

Since the FCS began in 1978, only 22 players from that league have been drafted in the 1st round.

Yes, that is due to extensive evaluation of the players while taking into account the competition that they play. It isn't simply because FCS, Division 2, or Division 3 is attached to their school name.

Why are more FBS players drafted and drafted higher than FCS or lower division players? The better players/prospects go to FBS schools. That doesn't mean good prospects are not at the other levels or shouldn't be drafted high simply because they weren't FBS.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

12 Apr 2022 10:47

The tax is real. These are all guys that have insane production and light up film at the lower level. Yet, due to playing against lower competition...they continuously wait a little bit to hear their names called. The tax is simply due to the increased risk of selecting a guy you dont have any tape for going against anybody they might see in the NFL one day.

To what extent?

Since 2015 there have been 98 FCS players drafted.
yet, only 3 in the first round. 2 of these 3 are QBs: Trey Lance and Carson Wentz.

Since the FCS began in 1978, only 22 players from that league have been drafted in the 1st round.

and thats the reality of this, any GM has to be leary of a prospect that didn't play against top level competition, it's not that there aren't good players, it's that they are more so un proven prospects, so there is risk, 42 years, 22 prospects taken in round one prove that.

Yoop wrote: ↑

12 Apr 2022 11:04

Drj820 wrote: ↑

12 Apr 2022 10:47

The tax is real. These are all guys that have insane production and light up film at the lower level. Yet, due to playing against lower competition...they continuously wait a little bit to hear their names called. The tax is simply due to the increased risk of selecting a guy you dont have any tape for going against anybody they might see in the NFL one day.

To what extent?

Since 2015 there have been 98 FCS players drafted.
yet, only 3 in the first round. 2 of these 3 are QBs: Trey Lance and Carson Wentz.

Since the FCS began in 1978, only 22 players from that league have been drafted in the 1st round.

and thats the reality of this, any GM has to be leary of a prospect that didn't play against top level competition, it's not that there aren't good players, it's that they are more so un proven prospects, so there is risk, 42 years, 22 prospects taken in round one prove that.

exactly. very smart analysis yoop.

The tax is the risk that comes with drafting a player who has tape against competition against future insurance agents. A player can have size and production...but a GM is going to be more skeptical to select them early simply because of the unknown about them compared to players with size and production that also have tape against guys who will also be drafted. This is simple stuff really. Well done, yoop.

Almost all of these guys didn't make a choice to go to an FCS, Division 2 or Division 3 school. Almost all of them were not recruited by FBS schools as they were not the 4 and 5 star recruits coming out of high school. They didn't think to themselves, "Hey, I want to go to the lower levels so I can dominate!" They developed into the player they became over their college career. They put the work in. They are going to get looked at harder because of the competition they played and rightfully so. Not knowing how they would play against better competition is risky, but no GM simply looks at their school name, sees FCS, and before anything else, determines they are not worth a first round or second round pick.

GMs want to protect their jobs. One way to do this is by limiting risk in the first couple of rounds. This means if all things are equal in size and production, they are most likely to take the guy they have more data for (IE: They have tape of him performing against better competition). This causes the FCS guys to get pushed further down the draft board. If you swing and miss on a guy from Alabama, that is far less likely to get you on the hot seat than it is to swing and miss on a guy from Apostle Islands Tech. Its not that FCS guys are auto reduced to the mid to late rounds, they just lose all things equal tie breakers to guys who have performed at higher levels. Its simple stuff really.

Yoop wrote: ↑

12 Apr 2022 10:10

Lenoir- Rhyne school enrollment, 1,700 did anyone on that list go to a school that small, this isn't just moving the goal post, it's full on destruction of them

Kyle Duggar a few years ago came from there. 37th overall pick in 2020

All other things being equal doesn't exist in the draft. Far too many variables. That said we are saying the same thing now.

glad you agree with yoop and i now

Drj820 wrote: ↑

12 Apr 2022 13:06

glad you agree with yoop and i now

It's refreshing that you can finally see things my way!

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

12 Apr 2022 12:42

Yoop wrote: ↑

12 Apr 2022 10:10

Lenoir- Rhyne school enrollment, 1,700 did anyone on that list go to a school that small, this isn't just moving the goal post, it's full on destruction of them

Kyle Duggar a few years ago came from there. 37th overall pick in 2020

ya know, to me, this is as much a reflection on the GM and Scout team as it is the player, it's what Made Teddy T a well respected General Manager, he wasn't only a good scout, he was also a great manager, he put together a quality scouting team, and they went and found the Kyle Duggar quality virtually unknown players from these small schools, better known Bethune- Cookman, Central Mi. are still considered Small compared to big Ten, But both Collins and Jennings where PB players, and Zombo, Barbre, Coston where good starting talent.

to me this isn't so much about small school= low ability player, it's about good players that are simply harder to find.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

12 Apr 2022 13:24

Drj820 wrote: ↑

12 Apr 2022 13:06

glad you agree with yoop and i now

It's refreshing that you can finally see things my way!

wha???? your a goal post mover, just admit it

Yoop wrote: ↑

12 Apr 2022 13:31

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

12 Apr 2022 13:24

Drj820 wrote: ↑

12 Apr 2022 13:06

glad you agree with yoop and i now

It's refreshing that you can finally see things my way!

wha???? your a goal post mover, just admit it

Ya, you aren't using that term correctly.

23 just argued with us yoop until he realized we were right, then said we were all saying the same thing.

Im just glad we are all on same page!

A good thing that wasn't the case and what you said changed enough that it was saying basically what I said from the beginning, so no need to continue!!

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

12 Apr 2022 13:38

Yoop wrote: ↑

12 Apr 2022 13:31

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

12 Apr 2022 13:24

It's refreshing that you can finally see things my way!

wha???? your a goal post mover, just admit it

Ya, you aren't using that term correctly.

probably not, but you know what I mean, there are small college like Central Mi., then there are college that are barely even known of like Lenoir-Rhyme.

Yoop wrote: ↑

12 Apr 2022 13:54

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

12 Apr 2022 13:38

Yoop wrote: ↑

12 Apr 2022 13:31

wha???? your a goal post mover, just admit it

Ya, you aren't using that term correctly.

probably not, but you know what I mean, there are small college like Central Mi., then there are college that are barely even known of like Lenoir-Rhyme.

No, I don't know what you mean. I don't even know what you mean from the above post. Did someone say Lenoir-Rhyne was not a small college?