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Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 13 Sep 2021 09:27
by Yoop
Crosby was absolutely perfect, to bad we couldn't have given him 12 more FG attempts, dang it
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 13 Sep 2021 09:30
by go pak go
lupedafiasco wrote: ↑13 Sep 2021 09:10
go pak go wrote: ↑13 Sep 2021 08:31
lupedafiasco wrote: ↑13 Sep 2021 08:24
I will say this. I am a firm believer the personnel on defense is not up to par. You can not continue to put poor LBs on the field and expect different results against the run. You cannot keep fielding Dean Lowry as the guy to help Kenny Clark and expect different results. That is on Gutey. It is no surprise those two positions struggled yesterday. Devondre Campbell looked lame, lost, and terrible.
The Saints put out sh*t in their front 7 outside their ends and did just fine.
Demario Davis is a damn good LB. Marcus Davenport is going to breakout this year. Cam Jordan is a good player. Kwon is a fast LB if kept clean. That is a good front 7. They lacked DTs but they had talent.
You can say the exact same thing about our front 7 except substitute the ILB for Kenny Clark.
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 13 Sep 2021 09:33
by go pak go
Yoop wrote: ↑13 Sep 2021 08:59
go pak go wrote: ↑13 Sep 2021 08:31
lupedafiasco wrote: ↑13 Sep 2021 08:24
I will say this. I am a firm believer the personnel on defense is not up to par. You can not continue to put poor LBs on the field and expect different results against the run. You cannot keep fielding Dean Lowry as the guy to help Kenny Clark and expect different results. That is on Gutey. It is no surprise those two positions struggled yesterday. Devondre Campbell looked lame, lost, and terrible.
The Saints put out sh*t in their front 7 outside their ends and did just fine.
well our OL made them look like HOFamers, Rodgers very rarely had more then a 3 count before protection broke down and I agree with Lupe, our front 7 played for &%$@, no pressure and near zero run containment.
Yes. It could be that our Oline did in fact just suck that much to make their defense look that awesome. Probably the most viable answer honestly.
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 13 Sep 2021 09:36
by go pak go
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑13 Sep 2021 09:06
As you can see this game was a pessimist's... I mean, realist's dream. All "predictions" made before the season have undoubtedly come true and even some that were not made before the game have magically come true as well. There was not a single bright spot in this game. To me that only points to the coach not having his team ready to play the first game, nothing more, nothing less. All the "I told you sos" really show the true nature of that individual, not the team. Far too little of a sample size to be making such statements.
Everyone knows though you have to have good DTs to win the game. Been saying that for years. *honestly I have been*
(just don't look at the depth chart of the Saints DTs okay)
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 13 Sep 2021 09:47
by paco
go pak go wrote: ↑13 Sep 2021 09:33
Yoop wrote: ↑13 Sep 2021 08:59
go pak go wrote: ↑13 Sep 2021 08:31
The Saints put out sh*t in their front 7 outside their ends and did just fine.
well our OL made them look like HOFamers, Rodgers very rarely had more then a 3 count before protection broke down and I agree with Lupe, our front 7 played for &%$@, no pressure and near zero run containment.
Yes. It could be that our Oline did in fact just suck that much to make their defense look that awesome. Probably the most viable answer honestly.
Most reports are that the O-line was "Fine" yesterday, especially in pass protection. Run blocking was a different story. Patrick got bad grades all around but Elgton was considered good and the 2 rookies did decent. Even Rodgers said protection was fine, he just sucked.
Not saying I agree or not, just throwing it out there. Overall, analysts don't appear to be blaming the O-line in this one.
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 13 Sep 2021 09:49
by Drj820
paco wrote: ↑13 Sep 2021 09:47
go pak go wrote: ↑13 Sep 2021 09:33
Yoop wrote: ↑13 Sep 2021 08:59
well our OL made them look like HOFamers, Rodgers very rarely had more then a 3 count before protection broke down and I agree with Lupe, our front 7 played for &%$@, no pressure and near zero run containment.
Yes. It could be that our Oline did in fact just suck that much to make their defense look that awesome. Probably the most viable answer honestly.
Most reports are that the O-line was "Fine" yesterday, especially in pass protection. Run blocking was a different story. Patrick got bad grades all around but Elgton was considered good and the 2 rookies did decent. Even Rodgers said protection was fine, he just sucked.
Not saying I agree or not, just throwing it out there. Overall, analysts don't appear to be blaming the O-line in this one.
I blame Rodgers for his crappy decisions and our "upgraded WR room" for not being able to separate and get open.
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 13 Sep 2021 09:50
by paco
Interestingly enough, Patrick graded well.
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 13 Sep 2021 09:54
by Yoop
go pak go wrote: ↑13 Sep 2021 09:36
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑13 Sep 2021 09:06
As you can see this game was a pessimist's... I mean, realist's dream. All "predictions" made before the season have undoubtedly come true and even some that were not made before the game have magically come true as well. There was not a single bright spot in this game. To me that only points to the coach not having his team ready to play the first game, nothing more, nothing less. All the "I told you sos" really show the true nature of that individual, not the team. Far too little of a sample size to be making such statements.
Everyone knows though you have to have good DTs to win the game. Been saying that for years. *honestly I have been*
(just don't look at the depth chart of the Saints DTs okay)
haaaaaa, what was that DT's name that I wanted to pick instead of you know who 3 years past draft
I think we can do better then we showed last night with the players we have on the roster, imo we simply where out coached, Lowery has his worts for sure, but I saw him shift pre snap right out of the run gap and not have the strength to return, Clark played well, but even he has issue like that, so imo thats coaching, same with our ILB's rarely filled the open gaps and looked slow to react with both run and pass, again that to me speaks to poor coaching, poor prep and game plan.
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 13 Sep 2021 09:58
by paco
If this doesn't change next week, Lafleur or Barry need to be shot into the sun.
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 13 Sep 2021 10:02
by Yoop
paco wrote: ↑13 Sep 2021 09:58
If this doesn't change next week, Lafleur or Barry need to be shot into the sun.
yep, King again gets himself so out of position that he can't recover, you'd think after 4 seasons we'd realize that he is not dependable.
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 13 Sep 2021 10:02
by paco
Does anything else need to be said?
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 13 Sep 2021 10:09
by go pak go
paco wrote: ↑13 Sep 2021 09:47
go pak go wrote: ↑13 Sep 2021 09:33
Yoop wrote: ↑13 Sep 2021 08:59
well our OL made them look like HOFamers, Rodgers very rarely had more then a 3 count before protection broke down and I agree with Lupe, our front 7 played for &%$@, no pressure and near zero run containment.
Yes. It could be that our Oline did in fact just suck that much to make their defense look that awesome. Probably the most viable answer honestly.
Most reports are that the O-line was "Fine" yesterday, especially in pass protection. Run blocking was a different story. Patrick got bad grades all around but Elgton was considered good and the 2 rookies did decent. Even Rodgers said protection was fine, he just sucked.
Not saying I agree or not, just throwing it out there. Overall, analysts don't appear to be blaming the O-line in this one.
I would concur with this. Newman was horrible on the 1st pick but otherwise I too thought they did "okay". Not great but not terrible.
That being said, I certainly expected more domination in the middle on running plays. Then again, when you only give AJ Dillon 4 carriers (and half of those result in 1st downs)...that's on you Matt LaFluer.
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 13 Sep 2021 10:11
by Yoop
paco wrote: ↑13 Sep 2021 10:02
Does anything else need to be said?
haaaaa, when your LT has more tackles then your CB then you should ask your LT to play two way, I bet Jenkins would put Lowery on the bench
King had one nice tackle, I think it was on a 3rd down play
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 13 Sep 2021 10:11
by go pak go
Yoop wrote: ↑13 Sep 2021 09:54
haaaaaa, what was that DT's name that I wanted to pick instead of you know who 3 years past draft
I think we can do better then we showed last night with the players we have on the roster, imo we simply where out coached, Lowery has his worts for sure, but I saw him shift pre snap right out of the run gap and not have the strength to return, Clark played well, but even he has issue like that, so imo thats coaching, same with our ILB's rarely filled the open gaps and looked slow to react with both run and pass, again that to me speaks to poor coaching, poor prep and game plan.
The defense looked lost and confused the whole game. I definitely noticed that.
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 13 Sep 2021 10:12
by NCF
The thing with Newman is, that is pretty much what you should expect from him. He can give you an awful lot if you commit to running the ball and going play action. That is his strength. Pass protection isn't. Cam Jordan is a tough assignment, too, so whatever his grade was yesterday should be curved by the play calling. They could not have possibly done more to make it harder on him.
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 13 Sep 2021 10:14
by Pckfn23
I am of the same opinion that while the line wasn't good, it wasn't horrible either. I think along with other aspects (LBs, Gary, etc...) it is just an example of confirmation bias.
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 13 Sep 2021 10:15
by lupedafiasco
paco wrote: ↑13 Sep 2021 10:02
Does anything else need to be said?
I feel like Ive said enough on the matter since draft day.
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 13 Sep 2021 10:19
by lupedafiasco
paco wrote: ↑13 Sep 2021 09:50
Interestingly enough, Patrick graded well.
Seems right. If I would have graded it the line would have gone best to worst left to right. I would assume PFF out Newman below Turner but I thought Turner had yet another below average game.
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 13 Sep 2021 10:23
by Pckfn23
Re: Packers @ Saints GDT - 9/12/2021 3:25 CST
Posted: 13 Sep 2021 10:24
by Pckfn23