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Labrev wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2023 11:53

Yoop wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2023 11:45

IT's not a Pettine thing to allow run yrds, or Barry, or Capers, or even Shummer, it's a passing league, hardly anyone beats another team solely on there ability to run the ball, it simply makes it harder to know how to defend them.

You always take things to extremes. Nobody has claimed that teams win "solely" on the run, just that if you run with success, it makes life so easy for the opposing offense that they don't need to pass much and even bad QBs/coaches (e.g. Desmond Ridder, Josh McDaniels, Tommy Devito, Matt Canada and Kenny Pickett) can beat you.

That it's a "passing league" is just more reason why they need to start up front and stop the run. If being poor against the run allows bad QBs to beat you, then obviously it is not going to be effective against top-tier passing offenses/QBs, either.

Which is why even when we are faced with offenses that abandon the run entirely, we still don't make stops!!

just saying why our DC don't focus on stopping the run, then we have the potent offense affect since Rodgers started, most team can't afford to run against us, there usually trying to catch up, and to do that usually requires passing.

also the vulnerability of a miscue during long drives, so when ya have a lead giving up a few run yards, (even a lot of run yrds) works against our opponent more then it affects us unless it's successful

I want to stop the run as much as anyone, my point is that it's not the most important thing we have to do.
I don't think it's that we hire offensive minded HC's as much as it's the HC's making poor DC hires.

Play 1 - Cover 3 or 6
Play 2 - Quarters
Play 3 - Cover 3
Play 4 - Man under cover 2
In field goal range
Play 5 - Soft man under cover 1
Play 6 - Cover 0
Play 7 - Cover 0

BF004 wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2023 11:17

LombardiTime wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2023 10:58

LombardiTime wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2023 07:53

Up to 31st in the NFL in rushing defense and closing fast on the 32nd ranked Broncos.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/o ... s-per-game

DVOA ranking down to 28th.

Not good.

Was gunna say, we haven’t played many quality offenses this year, guessing our DVOA was way worse than our aggregate ranks.

We have not played any of the top 5 scoring offenses (Miami, SF, Dallas, Baltimore, Buffalo) this season.

We have played just 3 (Detroit, Rams, KC) of the top 13 scoring offenses (Philly, Jax, Houston Indy, Cleveland).

The Packers will likely never have a better opportunity to finish in the top 10 in scoring defense based on the level of their competition than in 2023 and yet here we are.

Interesting look into it:

Yoop wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2023 12:04

Labrev wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2023 11:53

Yoop wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2023 11:45

IT's not a Pettine thing to allow run yrds, or Barry, or Capers, or even Shummer, it's a passing league, hardly anyone beats another team solely on there ability to run the ball, it simply makes it harder to know how to defend them.

You always take things to extremes. Nobody has claimed that teams win "solely" on the run, just that if you run with success, it makes life so easy for the opposing offense that they don't need to pass much and even bad QBs/coaches (e.g. Desmond Ridder, Josh McDaniels, Tommy Devito, Matt Canada and Kenny Pickett) can beat you.

That it's a "passing league" is just more reason why they need to start up front and stop the run. If being poor against the run allows bad QBs to beat you, then obviously it is not going to be effective against top-tier passing offenses/QBs, either.

Which is why even when we are faced with offenses that abandon the run entirely, we still don't make stops!!

just saying why our DC don't focus on stopping the run, then we have the potent offense affect since Rodgers started, most team can't afford to run against us, there usually trying to catch up, and to do that usually requires passing.

also the vulnerability of a miscue during long drives, so when ya have a lead giving up a few run yards, (even a lot of run yrds) works against our opponent more then it affects us unless it's successful

I want to stop the run as much as anyone, my point is that it's not the most important thing we have to do.
I don't think it's that we hire offensive minded HC's as much as it's the HC's making poor DC hires.

.... it's like talking to a brick wall.

LombardiTime wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2023 12:15

BF004 wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2023 11:17

LombardiTime wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2023 10:58

DVOA ranking down to 28th.

Not good.

Was gunna say, we haven’t played many quality offenses this year, guessing our DVOA was way worse than our aggregate ranks.

We have not played any of the top 5 scoring offenses (Miami, SF, Dallas, Baltimore, Buffalo) this season.

We have played just 3 (Detroit, Rams, KC) of the top 13 scoring offenses (Philly, Jax, Houston Indy, Cleveland).

The Packers will likely never have a better opportunity to finish in the top 10 in scoring defense based on the level of their competition than in 2023 and yet here we are.

The Fire Barry brigade was quiet in the 3 straight wins mainly because the offense played well. IMO this situation is a MLF problem. And if he keeps Barry after this season perhaps it is time to put Matt on the hot seat. There in no excuse for the talent we have on D to allow that lousy offensive team from NJ look like world beaters.

Labrev wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2023 13:10

Yoop wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2023 12:04

Labrev wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2023 11:53

You always take things to extremes. Nobody has claimed that teams win "solely" on the run, just that if you run with success, it makes life so easy for the opposing offense that they don't need to pass much and even bad QBs/coaches (e.g. Desmond Ridder, Josh McDaniels, Tommy Devito, Matt Canada and Kenny Pickett) can beat you.

That it's a "passing league" is just more reason why they need to start up front and stop the run. If being poor against the run allows bad QBs to beat you, then obviously it is not going to be effective against top-tier passing offenses/QBs, either.

Which is why even when we are faced with offenses that abandon the run entirely, we still don't make stops!!

just saying why our DC don't focus on stopping the run, then we have the potent offense affect since Rodgers started, most team can't afford to run against us, there usually trying to catch up, and to do that usually requires passing.

also the vulnerability of a miscue during long drives, so when ya have a lead giving up a few run yards, (even a lot of run yrds) works against our opponent more then it affects us unless it's successful

I want to stop the run as much as anyone, my point is that it's not the most important thing we have to do.
I don't think it's that we hire offensive minded HC's as much as it's the HC's making poor DC hires.

.... it's like talking to a brick wall.

now ya know how I feel

Yoop wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2023 13:14

Labrev wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2023 13:10

Yoop wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2023 12:04

just saying why our DC don't focus on stopping the run, then we have the potent offense affect since Rodgers started, most team can't afford to run against us, there usually trying to catch up, and to do that usually requires passing.

also the vulnerability of a miscue during long drives, so when ya have a lead giving up a few run yards, (even a lot of run yrds) works against our opponent more then it affects us unless it's successful

I want to stop the run as much as anyone, my point is that it's not the most important thing we have to do.
I don't think it's that we hire offensive minded HC's as much as it's the HC's making poor DC hires.

.... it's like talking to a brick wall.

now ya know how I feel

Except I have a point.

Labrev wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2023 13:22

Yoop wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2023 13:14

Labrev wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2023 13:10

.... it's like talking to a brick wall.

now ya know how I feel

Except I have a point.

what that we need to run more when it isn't producing, or that we need to focus more stopping the run and allow opposing offenses to big chunk play on us more then they already are?

we miss Jones, even though the run blocking sucks Jones finds the creases, Dillon does well when he can build up a head of steam, when the blocking can't give him space to do that, then the run doesn't produce enough to move the chains, it's not hard to figure this out, yet you and other just complain as though the blocking is fine, Dillon is fine, and Taylor showed last night again why he's a practice squad player, If I was Lafleur he'd already be on a bus out of town.

it was a let down with every phase of the team last night, O, D, ST's, and coaching.

If anyone on this board had predicted that Tommy DeVito would be named NFC Offensive player of the week prior to Monday night's contest, they would have rightly been mocked mercilessly.

https://www.giants.com/news/tommy-devit ... f-the-week

Somehow I doubt this is what he had in mind when Gute declared that expectations were high for this defense back in the Spring.

I said earlier, if Barry can't make the defense with all this talent/investment well above average, like many D-Coord are able to do with fewer great players, then we need not see how he would fare with less talent once our QB gets paid like a good starter. It is just common sense: fewer resources to get good defenders, worse defensive unit. If it's just middling/below-average now, it will be below-average/bottom-feeders then.

And in Barry's case, we have history to show that when he has a mediocre cast, the defense is abysmal, and a big part of the reason DET and WAS were bad teams when he was their D-Coord.

Similarly, if Barry's D allows Tommy Devito to mount a come-from-behind win, we need not wait and see what happens in the playoffs against quality passing offenses or QBs. It's common sense: we will lose, just as we lost to inferior QBs like Devito, Pickett, Ridder, etc.

We only got that Q4 lead thanks to a super fluky fumble by Saquon (after he broke off a huge gain in the run that would have likely made NY's lead all but insurmountable at that point). The ground caused the fumble, mark you, not the skill of one of our defenders to force one.

By the sounds of it, we need not even fire the guy, just let him contract expire. Do so, and go get your Jim Leonhard or whoever. Cmon Matty, you can do it!! We believe in you (not really)!!!

Barry has failed to make good QB's bad, failed to make bad QB's worse, and turns average RB's into pro bowlers, and good RB's into HOF candidates, Barry has been a complete failure as a DC, we throw quality talent to him, and it takes him years if ever to coach them up, for about 3 weeks we saw him denote more players to improve the pass rush, hence helping all the rookies and youth in the secondary, once that failed to produce those intended results his secondary was exposed again, doesn't matter who we play, Barry will figure out how to lose

I expect the youth in the secondary will be the excuse to give him a new contract, insanity prevails

Bryan Bulaga critical of Barry's last drive on Wilde and Tausch today.

Joe Barry gotta go.

We have gotten our six wins. We have to move on from our D-Coord to stay faithful to the 2009 script!

You've all been exposed. We were playing off the ball so much on that last drive to set up a missed field goal. Where things went wrong is that the Giants inadvertently made the field goal.

With the coaching change in Carolina it could make Evero available for MLF to hire. They worked together in LA I think. I'd be open to that!

we could put a picture of our fav DC candidates in that booth and it would be a improvement over Joe Barry

packman114 wrote: ↑

14 Dec 2023 11:06

With the coaching change in Carolina it could make Evero available for MLF to hire. They worked together in LA I think. I'd be open to that!

I feel like Evero will have his sights set on a HC gig before D-Coord for a team that turned him down for Joe frickin Barry.

MLF can try for Leonhard again, I guess. 'Gotta think NFL D-Coord beats being an analyst at Illinois. I'm not as in love with this idea as some, but I like it a lot more than Brandon Staley, who I bet will both be available and would get a lot of interest from MLF.

Jets probably excuse Saleh for this year due to the Rodgers injury and give him another year, but man, imagine that.

If Belichick is out in NE, maybe a D-Coord gig would appeal to him?

I can't see Bill coming back to the NFL as a DC. I mean I'd love it, but i don't see it.