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There's no way LeVar Burton doesn't get the job, right? I mean he's the freakin' Reading Rainbow guy and was on Star Trek TNG. Even Rodgers can't compete with that!

It seems Jeopardy isn’t the only off-season hobby AR has going. He’s also been saving businesses and communities back home. Just another ho-hum week for the reigning MVP...

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Drj820 wrote: ↑

05 Apr 2021 15:19

Acrobat wrote: ↑

05 Apr 2021 14:53

Yoop wrote: ↑

05 Apr 2021 13:35

you can't pin any of those losses on Rodgers, this isn't Brett Favre where talking about, who did actually snatch defeat from victory in more then a couple playoff games, Rodgers can't run the routes for the receiver or catch the ball, AR has been the least of our problems in playoff games, most of it is either lack of talent or lack of coaching.

That's why I said that there were other factors that played a role in the losses. But I still firmly believe that Rodgers has not played his personal best in the last 4 NFCCGs.

I agree with ya. I think he tenses up when the moment gets big and tight. It shows in his body language and players feed off of that energy. It sometimes seems like he may be going to quick or forcing things.

I still think this team is abysmal without him and he played better than some give him credit for in last several years of McCarthy.

There is a term from the Lombardi era called "ARRIVING".

Lombardi teams "arrived" 9 times between 1961 and 1968. Please see below evidence:
Dec. 31, 1961 1961 NFL Championship New York Giants W 37-0 39,029
Dec. 30, 1962 1962 NFL Championship at New York Giants W 16-7 64,892
Dec. 26, 1965 1965 Western Conf. Championship Baltimore Colts W 13-10 (ot) 50,484
Jan. 2, 1966 1965 NFL Championship Cleveland Browns W 23-12 50,777
Jan. 1, 1967 1966 NFL Championship at Dallas Cowboys W 34-27 74,152
Jan. 15, 1967 Super Bowl I (AFL-NFL World Champ.) Kansas City Chiefs (@ Los Angeles) W 35-10 61,946
Dec. 23, 1967 1967 Western Conf. Championship Los Angeles Rams (@ Milwaukee) W 28-7 49,861
Dec. 31, 1967 1967 NFL Championship Dallas Cowboys W 21-17 50,861
Jan. 14, 1968 Super Bowl II (AFL-NFL World Champ.) Oakland Raiders (@ Miami) W 33-14 75,546

A Holmgrem team "arrived" 3 times in the 1996 season:
Jan. 4, 1997 1996 NFC Divisional Playoff San Francisco 49ers W 35-14 60,787
Jan. 12, 1997 1996 NFC Championship Carolina Panthers W 30-13 60,216
Jan. 26, 1997 Super Bowl XXXI New England Patriots (@ New Orleans) W 35-21 72,031

A McCarthy team "arrived" 4 times in the 2010 season:
Jan. 9, 2011 2010 NFC Wild Card Playoff at Philadelphia Eagles W 21-16 69,144
Jan. 15, 2011 2010 NFC Divisional Playoff at Atlanta Falcons W 48-21 69,210
Jan. 23, 2011 2010 NFC Championship at Chicago Bears W 21-14 62,377
Feb. 6, 2011 Super Bowl XLV Pittsburgh Steelers (@ North Texas) W 31-25 91,060

Interesting little tidbit. So many teams made the wrong decision. Its not that no-one above him had good careers. But he's outlasted them all and is the only guaranteed HOF'er. For those scoring at home...

San Francisco 49ers - Alex Smith
Miami Dolphins - Ronnie Brown
Cleveland Browns - Braylon Edwards
Chicago Bears - Cedric Benson 
Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Cadillac Williams 
Tennessee Titans - Adam Jones
Minnesota Vikings - Troy Williamson 
Arizona Cardinals - Antrel Rolle
Washington Redskins - Carlos Rogers
Detroit Lions - Mike Williams 
Dallas Cowboys - DeMarcus Ware
San Diego Chargers - Shawne Merriman
New Orleans Saints - Jammal Brown
Carolina Panthers - Thomas Davis
Kansas City Chiefs - Derrick Johnson
Houston Texans - Travis Johnson 
Cincinnati Bengals - David Pollack 
Minnesota Vikings - Erasmus James 
St. Louis Rams - Alex Barron 
Dallas Cowboys - Marcus Spears 
Jacksonville Jaguars - Matt Jones 
Baltimore Ravens - Mark Clayton 
Oakland Raiders - Fabian Washington

I'll never understand why (yet always enjoy the fact that) the Vikings needed a QB, had *two* 1sts, yet chose not to use one of them to roll the dice on a QB prospect that many had believed was the best in the draft. Instead they got a bust WR (like MVS with even worse hands) and JAD edge-rusher.

Labrev wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021 11:45

I'll never understand why (yet always enjoy the fact that) the Vikings needed a QB, had *two* 1sts, yet chose not to use one of them to roll the dice on a QB prospect that many had believed was the best in the draft. Instead they got a bust WR (like MVS with even worse hands) and JAD edge-rusher.

They didn't "need" one. Culpepper just came off his best season which was MVP runner-up good. He was a monster in 2004.

I thought I remembered the Jets trading up a pick ahead of us, with some thought they could go QB, but instead took Dustin Keller.

The mind's playing tricks on me again.

BF004 wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021 12:32

I thought I remembered the Jets trading up a pick ahead of us, with some thought they could go QB, but instead took Dustin Keller.

The mind's playing tricks on me again.

you are a few years off. Dustin Keller was 2008. Jets traded pick 26 to the Raiders before the draft, then that pick was used to trade up to 23 (Seahawks) and the Raiders took Fabian Washington.

But in 2008 we traded our 1st to the Jets and they took Keller. We ended up with Jordy and Dwight Lowery (whom I have no recollection of).

Wait, Lowery wasn't ours. We used that pick in a trade and ended up with Jeremy Thompson, who I do recall.

BF004 wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021 12:32

I thought I remembered the Jets trading up a pick ahead of us, with some thought they could go QB, but instead took Dustin Keller.

The mind's playing tricks on me again.

The Redskins traded into Pick 25 immediately after we took Rodgers so that they could take Jason Campbell.

NCF wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021 12:49

The Redskins traded into Pick 25 immediately after we took Rodgers so that they could take Jason Campbell.

What's crazy is that they made that trade before the draft, likely expecting it to be Campbell. Had we not taken Rodgers, I wonder which QB they would have picked. It sounds absurd, but I was at the combine that year and numerous scouts referred to Campbell as "possibly the best QB in the draft" but it would have been tough to convince a front office to put their money where their mouths were on something like that.

NCF wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021 12:18

Labrev wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021 11:45

I'll never understand why (yet always enjoy the fact that) the Vikings needed a QB, had *two* 1sts, yet chose not to use one of them to roll the dice on a QB prospect that many had believed was the best in the draft. Instead they got a bust WR (like MVS with even worse hands) and JAD edge-rusher.

They didn't "need" one. Culpepper just came off his best season which was MVP runner-up good. He was a monster in 2004.

Dang, I have no memory of Culpepper being any good post-2000 season hype. Well he picked a great time to show up...

Yeah people I think confuse what all happened leading into the 2004 draft.

I hear others say it was no a brainer to pick Rodgers because Favre came off a 26 interception season which was also inaccurate.

Favre, Manning and Culpepper were the best 3 QBs in 2004. And all three offenses were the tops of the league. I believe he Vikes took WR early because I think that is when they traded away Moss to Oakland.

NCF wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021 12:18

Labrev wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021 11:45

I'll never understand why (yet always enjoy the fact that) the Vikings needed a QB, had *two* 1sts, yet chose not to use one of them to roll the dice on a QB prospect that many had believed was the best in the draft. Instead they got a bust WR (like MVS with even worse hands) and JAD edge-rusher.

They didn't "need" one. Culpepper just came off his best season which was MVP runner-up good. He was a monster in 2004.

Man, I hated Culpepper back then. That "rolling" celebration he did was so annoying

Frickin' Aaron Frickin' Rodgers is a mess. Very talented QB too! Hard to make these scenarios up. Hollywood and Green Bay are so different.

Need to bring this back with the way he's playing. Even Bears fans recognize.

The thing about how good Aaron Rodgers is....

...is that, look, even though it's unfair, I genuinely don't think there is an excuse for an incompletion or sack unless it's a drop. I hold him to impossible standards because he's impossibly good. He can put the ball anywhere he wants on the field almost anytime he wants. When he makes a bad throw (which does, indeed, happen), I'm floored.

But for me, it winds up with me so upset when he makes a bad decision (especially those un-aimed 3rd down lobs). With great power comes great responsibility. I've always felt like the way to motivate Rodgers to be his greatest self would be a coach telling him repeatedly that a man of his talent and Football IQ should never throw an incompletion and try to hold him to that level of perfection.

I was going that direction with him, but have eased back the last few years. You have to expect more mistakes as he gets older. But I still do hold him to an unfair standard.

It would be interesting to see what he would do with that type of coach. Would he rebel? Embrace it? Year 1 could be rough, but I think he'd see the benefit of it after a while.

he's human, but not allowed to be on this forum, every loss is Rodgers fault, take away Adams and this forum would finally realize we should have drafted a more ready to play WR instead of mid round jags 3 years ago.

Yoop wrote: ↑

28 Sep 2021 12:13

he's human, but not allowed to be on this forum, every loss is Rodgers fault, take away Adams and this forum would finally realize we should have drafted a more ready to play WR instead of mid round jags 3 years ago.