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Aaron's contract is fancy window dressing around the fact that he is still on a one year deal and then we'll see. No reason for the Packers to give up on Love, yet.
Also moving Love now would literally be selling an asset at its lowest value. It makes no sense. Last year he was unknown and still had the draft eval as his primary value metric across the league. This year he's the guy who looked lost in limited action. Next year he's either the same as now or we had a chance to get some better tape out there.
never said there are not exceptions, obviously there will be players that exceed all most all opinions held at draft day.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑13 Apr 2022 14:58That's honestly a very good answer. It just gets so muddied.
As an example, Nick Collins.
where probably going to need Love, or did you forgot what happened the day before the draft last year? nothing concerning Rodgers is guaranteed
WOWWWWW!!! That's remarkably poor. I was quite intrigued by the guy as a prospect, got some real Finley vibes from his scouting report.
[mention]Yoop[/mention] thoughts on this?Pckfn23 wrote: ↑13 Apr 2022 15:07Who makes the general consensus? Or how is a general consensus made? GMs certainly do not come together to do this.Yoop wrote: ↑13 Apr 2022 14:45for you or me, it's mostly opinion, for people that actually make a living touring college games, they grade what they see, and those grades determine a players ranking, obviously those scouts opinion will vary some to, however there will be a general consensus, so when a GM takes a player much higher or lower then the consensus, the opinions will reflect that, and it will be proved with his play ability in the future.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑13 Apr 2022 14:23
Again, I am not talking any specific player... Are we able to determine if a player was snatched up too early on draft night? Who/What determines that? Who/what determines if a player has a first/second/third round grade?
Asking clarifying questions, nothing sinister here.
https://horseshoeheroes.com/2021/11/25/ ... colts-fan/At the Texas A&M Pro Day, Wydermyer ran a 5.03 40-yard dash, had a 9-foot-1 broad jump, and a 25.5-inch vertical jump. All numbers were relatively underwhelming for tight ends.
I'd like to hear what you think forms the consensus, you don't get to come here grilling people, you got a opinion about this spit it outPckfn23 wrote: ↑13 Apr 2022 17:16@Yoop thoughts on this?Pckfn23 wrote: ↑13 Apr 2022 15:07Who makes the general consensus? Or how is a general consensus made? GMs certainly do not come together to do this.Yoop wrote: ↑13 Apr 2022 14:45
for you or me, it's mostly opinion, for people that actually make a living touring college games, they grade what they see, and those grades determine a players ranking, obviously those scouts opinion will vary some to, however there will be a general consensus, so when a GM takes a player much higher or lower then the consensus, the opinions will reflect that, and it will be proved with his play ability in the future.
Got 3 more years of quite cheap control, would have no alternative as a backup or long term plan, and a QB who is year to year. He is still very young, younger than Kenny Pickett.
I am literally trying to understand what your thoughts are on the matter. There is zero need to get pissy about it. Why do you find questions offensive?Yoop wrote: ↑13 Apr 2022 21:02I'd like to hear what you think forms the consensus, you don't get to come here grilling people, you got a opinion about this spit it out
you know that draft analyst have for many years commented on picks GM's have made, and there opinions often correlate with each other, I get the feeling you have little respect for the opinions of these draft analyst, even though at times there right and the GM did reach.
look at all the angst around here for Savage, did Gute over draft him, popular opinion here says yes, about the same as the opinion of many draft analyst the night he was taken.
stupid question, grilling me like I'am one of your grade school kids.
Amen, this is all up to the eye of the beholder, people form opinions based on the knowledge of others or on what they witness, and we/ us don't get to witness near as much as people that make a living doing this stuff, to discount there incite and opinions doesn't even register with me, GM's reach for players all the time, and these draftniks have every right to call them out for it, the rare case when a GM gets it right like with Collins doesn't make over drafting a smart thing to do.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑13 Apr 2022 23:20I just want to state up front that on draft night, if I call something a reach, I am referring to my own opinion of a player's worth and value. Is my opinion meaningful to the NFL? Nope. But it is why I post on a forum about football.
Just gonna say it yoop.Yoop wrote: ↑14 Apr 2022 07:46Amen, this is all up to the eye of the beholder, people form opinions based on the knowledge of others or on what they witness, and we/ us don't get to witness near as much as people that make a living doing this stuff, to discount there incite and opinions doesn't even register with me, GM's reach for players all the time, and these draftniks have every right to call them out for it, the rare case when a GM gets it right like with Collins doesn't make over drafting a smart thing to do.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑13 Apr 2022 23:20I just want to state up front that on draft night, if I call something a reach, I am referring to my own opinion of a player's worth and value. Is my opinion meaningful to the NFL? Nope. But it is why I post on a forum about football.
Again, you are not remembering correctly on Savage. He was not considered a reach by the vast majority. You are confusing Savage with Stokes.Yoop wrote: ↑14 Apr 2022 05:52Hell people in this forum thought Savage was a reach, when draftniks say a GM reached for a player, often they are right, sometimes they are wrong,( Collins), just like GM's often miss on picks, or find a gem in a player that dropped like Sam Shields
Most draftniks think Watson has a second round grade, so do I, if WAtson is taken in round 1, our opinion will be that he was over drafted, and it's up to Watson to prove us wrong, just like Collins had to do years ago.
This was literally my statement at the start:It was a stupid childish question because YOU new who makes the consensus, you knew I knew who makes the consensus, so instead of insulting me with such a idiotic question, why not just say these draftniks don't know as much as the GM's know so there fore I don't trust there grades, which we could have discussed, because some of these draftniks have better track records when it comes to this stuff then some GM's in this league, so not only did you insult me, you insulted all of them
quit asking questions of people when you already know the answer to the question, if you don't think thats insulting, then you have a lot to learn about people
I didn't know if you knew anything or what your opinion was on the matter. That's why I asked... I wanted to avoid the constant yoop refrain of, "that's not what I meant." Instead when I ask questions to clarify, you feel weirdly insulted. I have my opinion on the matter, in the last few posts you have made your opinions known on the matter, albeit throwing a tantrum while doing so... If I ask a question, I want to know the answer because I do not know the answer people will give. I don't play that game.Asking clarifying questions, nothing sinister here.
go pak go wrote: ↑14 Apr 2022 07:56Just gonna say it yoop.Yoop wrote: ↑14 Apr 2022 07:46Amen, this is all up to the eye of the beholder, people form opinions based on the knowledge of others or on what they witness, and we/ us don't get to witness near as much as people that make a living doing this stuff, to discount there incite and opinions doesn't even register with me, GM's reach for players all the time, and these draftniks have every right to call them out for it, the rare case when a GM gets it right like with Collins doesn't make over drafting a smart thing to do.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑13 Apr 2022 23:20I just want to state up front that on draft night, if I call something a reach, I am referring to my own opinion of a player's worth and value. Is my opinion meaningful to the NFL? Nope. But it is why I post on a forum about football.
There is a looooooot of irony and contradiction in this post.
well that doesn't say much, who here at times doesn't disagree with GM's, draftniks, or others opinions here in this forum?go pak go wrote: ↑14 Apr 2022 07:56Just gonna say it yoop.Yoop wrote: ↑14 Apr 2022 07:46Amen, this is all up to the eye of the beholder, people form opinions based on the knowledge of others or on what they witness, and we/ us don't get to witness near as much as people that make a living doing this stuff, to discount there incite and opinions doesn't even register with me, GM's reach for players all the time, and these draftniks have every right to call them out for it, the rare case when a GM gets it right like with Collins doesn't make over drafting a smart thing to do.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑13 Apr 2022 23:20I just want to state up front that on draft night, if I call something a reach, I am referring to my own opinion of a player's worth and value. Is my opinion meaningful to the NFL? Nope. But it is why I post on a forum about football.
There is a looooooot of irony and contradiction in this post.