Does anyone really think Favre would win less games with the Packers than Rodgers has won?? I don’t at all. For all the talk of “Rodgers talent” he really has just destroyed the abysmal NFCN and been a regular season hero.
Favre won under much tougher circumstances. Sure, he was a wild boy who would throw interceptions. But he loved the game and liked to win. And he liked his teammates. Not just the ones his age either. Favre turned this franchise around. Let’s not forget.
Re: Favre and Rodgers as Packers After 16 Seasons
Posted: 02 Aug 2022 01:50
by Labrev
I think Rodgers's (wayyyy) fewer INTs probably equates to more wins, yes.
They are ultimately both "regular season heroes" that turned into playoff choke-artists after their last SuperBowl appearances, they just had different styles of choking. Favre had the BrINTs, Rodgers takes sacks and dead/negative plays yielding punts when we needed scoring drives.
But don’t undercut Favre. He had more intangibles on his side than virtually any QB ever; hustle, imagination, leadership (after White left), joy of the game, creativity on the field, and so on. You never doubted that Favre spent all that he had on the field and the teams responded to him in that.
I think this is the most significant advantage that Favre has over Rodgers in this discussion IMO. Both guys, early in their careers, benefitted from strong veteran leadership in the locker room. The difference is that that as Favre aged, his transition into locker room leader felt a lot more natural and his "leave it all on the field" playing style really set the tone for the team. When he played on Sundays, every soul in that stadium knew that he was fighting until his last breath. Contrast that with Rodgers- the collective attitudes of his teams have lacked something ever since the departure of the Woodsons, Drivers, Tauschers, etc..
But don’t undercut Favre. He had more intangibles on his side than virtually any QB ever; hustle, imagination, leadership (after White left), joy of the game, creativity on the field, and so on. You never doubted that Favre spent all that he had on the field and the teams responded to him in that.
I think this is the most significant advantage that Favre has over Rodgers in this discussion IMO. Both guys, early in their careers, benefitted from strong veteran leadership in the locker room. The difference is that that as Favre aged, his transition into locker room leader felt a lot more natural and his "leave it all on the field" playing style really set the tone for the team. When he played on Sundays, every soul in that stadium knew that he was fighting until his last breath. Contrast that with Rodgers- the collective attitudes of his teams have lacked something ever since the departure of the Woodsons, Drivers, Tauschers, etc..
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Favre didn’t need to be developed. He was a stallion as soon as he took the field. He didn’t even know what nickel or dime cover was and he didn’t care. Favre went on to win 3 straight MVPs. Reggie white came to GB because of Favre. Green Bay was no longer the outpost where no one wanted to play
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Uh, no, Favre absolutely had to be developed. He was on a short leash his first two, maybe two-and-a-half seasons due to his inconsistency. There were serious discussions about benching him for Mark Brunell at times, but Holmgren couldn't bring himself to do it.
Wild stallion maybe.
Oh, you mean when Favre first stepped on the field and brought the Packers back in a dramatic come from behind victory…
Something Rodgers wouldn’t have been able to do right away. His first 2 preseasons, Aaron kind of stunk.
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Favre didn’t need to be developed. He was a stallion as soon as he took the field. He didn’t even know what nickel or dime cover was and he didn’t care. Favre went on to win 3 straight MVPs. Reggie white came to GB because of Favre. Green Bay was no longer the outpost where no one wanted to play
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Uh, no, Favre absolutely had to be developed. He was on a short leash his first two, maybe two-and-a-half seasons due to his inconsistency. There were serious discussions about benching him for Mark Brunell at times, but Holmgren couldn't bring himself to do it.
Wild stallion maybe.
Oh, you mean when Favre first stepped on the field and brought the Packers back in a dramatic come from behind victory…
Something Rodgers wouldn’t have been able to do right away. His first 2 preseasons, Aaron kind of stunk.
I didn't say Favre stunk (well, he did in Atlanta), I said he was inconsistent. He needed to be tamed, or in other words, developed.
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Favre didn’t need to be developed. He was a stallion as soon as he took the field. He didn’t even know what nickel or dime cover was and he didn’t care. Favre went on to win 3 straight MVPs. Reggie white came to GB because of Favre. Green Bay was no longer the outpost where no one wanted to play
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Uh, no, Favre absolutely had to be developed. He was on a short leash his first two, maybe two-and-a-half seasons due to his inconsistency. There were serious discussions about benching him for Mark Brunell at times, but Holmgren couldn't bring himself to do it.
Wild stallion maybe.
Oh, you mean when Favre first stepped on the field and brought the Packers back in a dramatic come from behind victory…
Something Rodgers wouldn’t have been able to do right away. His first 2 preseasons, Aaron kind of stunk.
How convenient not to mention the actual first times Favre took the field....
Re: Favre and Rodgers as Packers After 16 Seasons
Posted: 02 Aug 2022 21:20
by RingoCStarrQB
Hey Mississippi!
Re: Favre and Rodgers as Packers After 16 Seasons
Posted: 02 Aug 2022 21:26
by Yoop
I think Bob Harlan and Ron Wolf should get the most credit for turning the team around and getting everything headed in the right direction, Wolf went all in on the trade for Favre ( what a huge gamble), then again with White, ( either fail and it's probably going to cost your job) along with Jackson and Rison for the SB run, sure Favre became the key cog and won a lot of games on sheer will, another great gun that often lacked the ammo needed to win the fight, Wolf said one of his biggest regrets was not investing more at the WR position.
Ted took Rons comment to heart, first Jennings, then Jones, Nelson, Cobb, and Finley, 4 years later took Adams, to bad he quit the restocking after that. those skill position player put us in position to take that trophy
But don’t undercut Favre. He had more intangibles on his side than virtually any QB ever; hustle, imagination, leadership (after White left), joy of the game, creativity on the field, and so on. You never doubted that Favre spent all that he had on the field and the teams responded to him in that.
I think this is the most significant advantage that Favre has over Rodgers in this discussion IMO. Both guys, early in their careers, benefitted from strong veteran leadership in the locker room. The difference is that that as Favre aged, his transition into locker room leader felt a lot more natural and his "leave it all on the field" playing style really set the tone for the team. When he played on Sundays, every soul in that stadium knew that he was fighting until his last breath. Contrast that with Rodgers- the collective attitudes of his teams have lacked something ever since the departure of the Woodsons, Drivers, Tauschers, etc..
It's really this. I wouldn't say that Rodgers isn't a good leader, but his leadership style doesn't lend itself to guys playing loose or being tough sons of bitches who would win a street fight. That's why I've advocated for us signing some criminals (not a lot, but some). We need the guys who are going to start taking cheap shots rather than hang their head on the bench with a solemn look on their face when we're losing in frustrating fashion.
