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Re: Week 14 Post-Game: Giants-24 Packers-22
Posted: 12 Dec 2023 13:27
by Pugger
Labrev wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023 08:46
This game reminded me of the Favre days where he looked like he couldn't hit the broad side of the barn for whatever reason. Rodgers had some bad games in his career but they were different from Brett's bad days. This was more like a bad day from Brett than Aaron.
I thought Love looked scared from the very first pass play, and the O gameplan itself reflected fear of Martindale's blitz-happy defense. Love is outwardly calm but you can tell when he's internally flustered: it affects his throws. He was floating/lofting balls all night. That pass to Doubs in the end-zone is a TD if he rips that. Instead, it takes forever to get there and Doubs is too close to the sideline, can't get both feet in.
Defense, don't get me started. I'll save it for the D Expectations thread.
That said, this team is set up to go as the O goes, and since we can't run the ball well and Jones has been out most of the year, it all falls on Love, the OL's pass-pro, and skill players' receiving production. When that's off, we're toast.
We also really suffered from a lack of playmaking firepower. Jones and Watson are your biggest playmakers. Both out, but we still have some juice from guys like Musgrave, Reed, and Wicks. Okay, Musgrave also out, then Wicks left with injury at some point. We are literally just left with Reed. When there's no one else to worry about, it's not difficult for a defense to take away your slot receiver, even a really good one.
ST also looked poor and patience has worn thin for Rich "I want to be HC" Bisaccia. It is quite plausible that MLF does not commit enough time to ST practice for the unit to clean that stuff up; I could totally see that. Still, there are cases of guys seeming not to know the rules of stuff they need to know, questionable personnel moves like going back-and-forth between Nixon and Reed on punt returns (Reed should be PR, he catches it way more cleanly/reliably).
I would love to ask MLF why Dillon disappeared for most of the second half. I thought for a while he was hurt or something. This is what was so confounding. Hey Matt! Your QB is having an off-night so why not try to run the damn ball with your best back?
Re: Week 14 Post-Game: Giants-24 Packers-22
Posted: 12 Dec 2023 13:29
by Pugger
musclestang wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023 09:10
Acrobat wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023 08:48
paco wrote: ↑11 Dec 2023 22:46
This is what made me more frustrating than anything. I just don't get what Barry (and I know he's not the only one) is thinking in that scenario. Rookie QB. Press him.
A lot of ugliness in the game but ultimately we had it won until Barry willingly decided to let the Giants march down the field.
it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. His famous mantras are basically give the other offense enough opportunities to make a mistake and survive the down. Weak, passive, baloney is all that philosophy is. It's pathetic, which is why we play pathetic defense most times the chips are down. it starts from the top.
I can't imagine playing under such a philosophy where we are just playing enough downs hoping for a mistake, rather than just forcing the damn mistakes. Perfect opportunity against an extremely limited offense and they crawl into their shell and $%@# wait to lose, again.
Re: Week 14 Post-Game: Giants-24 Packers-22
Posted: 12 Dec 2023 13:31
by Pugger
packman114 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023 09:15
The key to success according to MLF and every other coach in the league is you have to be able to run the ball and stop the run. We will never know if we can run the ball because MLF gives up on it too fast. And Joe Barry's scheme to stop the run is to play 15 yards off the LOS and hope they pass instead of run!
Yikes. What is scary is you are right on target with this take. They both need to be
at.
Re: Week 14 Post-Game: Giants-24 Packers-22
Posted: 12 Dec 2023 13:35
by Pugger
But isn't that with almost every QB? Make the throws and don't throw picks or fumble?
Re: Week 14 Post-Game: Giants-24 Packers-22
Posted: 12 Dec 2023 13:36
by Pugger
BF004 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023 11:38
Was looking like possibly Wyatt’s best game till he got hurt.
What exactly happened to him? Is it serious?
Re: Week 14 Post-Game: Giants-24 Packers-22
Posted: 12 Dec 2023 13:42
by Pugger
lupedafiasco wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023 12:23
Another thing we have seen from LaFleur is he just doesn’t make adjustments in games where his plan fails. He clearly had plans for all these end arounds and it worked early but the Giants adjusted and &%$@ it down completely.
They kept running it and getting not much success and for that to be your 2 Pt play was beyond stupid. Just an atrocious decision by LaFleur to make that the play. Idk if he ran something else it would have worked but that specific play when it had been shown to the defense already so many times and hadn’t gotten much success was stupid.
He needs to start finding ways to make adjustments in game. He sticks to his game plan way too much and sometimes the other team just has a counter. You’ve gotta counter back.
Yes he should ditch these end arounds for good. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Perhaps this inability to make in game adjustments is MLF's Achilles' Heel?
Re: Week 14 Post-Game: Giants-24 Packers-22
Posted: 12 Dec 2023 13:45
by Pugger
lupedafiasco wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023 12:24
NCF wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023 12:20
In hindsight, I think this was a good loss. Playing like dog &%$@ and sneaking out of there with a win probably wasn’t the lesson this young team needed. You play like &%$@, you lose. That is how the NFL works.
I disagree. I think this team needed to learn that even when they play had they can battle back and win. They played like &%$@ start to finish in all three phases.
This team presently isn't good enough to overcome playing like garbage if they want to win. In any sport or game it is the team that makes the fewest mistakes is the one that wins. Last night NYG flat out played better than we did. I hope the guys learn from this.
Re: Week 14 Post-Game: Giants-24 Packers-22
Posted: 12 Dec 2023 13:46
by musclestang
Pugger wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023 13:36
BF004 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023 11:38
Was looking like possibly Wyatt’s best game till he got hurt.
What exactly happened to him? Is it serious?
not sure, but he came back in after so I assume he's not too bad.
Re: Week 14 Post-Game: Giants-24 Packers-22
Posted: 12 Dec 2023 13:48
by Pugger
bud fox wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023 12:49
I think MLF has been good but I didn't see the benefit of using timeouts at the end how he did.
I thought it would have been better to let the clock run which maybe took away one more run and use the timeout to play with the Giants kicker at the end.
Yeah, I didn't see what the rush was either. We should have taken our time and ate as much clock as possible forcing the Gmen to use their timeouts so they almost no time to march down the field for the winning FG.
Re: Week 14 Post-Game: Giants-24 Packers-22
Posted: 12 Dec 2023 13:50
by Pugger
Play decisively? What a concept. Shouldn't that be his default??
Re: Week 14 Post-Game: Giants-24 Packers-22
Posted: 12 Dec 2023 13:52
by APB
bud fox wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023 12:44
Too many off throws.
A stat showed yesterday that love has the most off target throws of any qb in the nfl -
No, I don’t think it did. Aikman commented on a stat that said he was, like, 7th worst, if I recall. Still not good but also not the worst.
Re: Week 14 Post-Game: Giants-24 Packers-22
Posted: 12 Dec 2023 13:54
by bud fox
The amount of end arounds is an indictment on Dillon.
Lafleur still trying to run the ball but Dillon has been poor. If jones was up and healthy we probably have 1 or 2 of the end arounds.
I know MLF likes them as he even had lazard do them before.
Re: Week 14 Post-Game: Giants-24 Packers-22
Posted: 12 Dec 2023 13:55
by lupedafiasco
bud fox wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023 13:54
The amount of end arounds is an indictment on Dillon.
Lafleur still trying to run the ball but Dillon has been poor. If jones was up and healthy we probably have 1 or 2 of the end arounds.
I know MLF likes them as he even had lazard do them before.
I think the plan was to try and neutralize Lawrence by getting outside the defense.
Re: Week 14 Post-Game: Giants-24 Packers-22
Posted: 12 Dec 2023 13:55
by bud fox
APB wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023 13:52
bud fox wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023 12:44
Too many off throws.
A stat showed yesterday that love has the most off target throws of any qb in the nfl -
No, I don’t think it did. Aikman commented on a stat that said he was, like, 7th worst, if I recall. Still not good but also not the worst.
Interesting as I saw an actual pop up on the screen. Will check for it but you could be right.
Re: Week 14 Post-Game: Giants-24 Packers-22
Posted: 12 Dec 2023 13:57
by go pak go
bud fox wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023 13:55
APB wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023 13:52
bud fox wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023 12:44
Too many off throws.
A stat showed yesterday that love has the most off target throws of any qb in the nfl -
No, I don’t think it did. Aikman commented on a stat that said he was, like, 7th worst, if I recall. Still not good but also not the worst.
Interesting as I saw an actual pop up on the screen. Will check for it but you could be right.
There was definitely a "7th highest" relating to accuracy of targets but I don't know the specific stat.
Re: Week 14 Post-Game: Giants-24 Packers-22
Posted: 12 Dec 2023 13:57
by Yoop
Pugger wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023 13:50
Play decisively? What a concept. Shouldn't that be his default??
agreed, that should be something Lafleur demand from every player on the team, I'am starting to lose respect for Matt Lafleur, simply because I think some of the players have, when he turned around and chewed out Taylor for his bone headedness with not getting out of bounds Taylor gave him a scowl, that should have been the last play Taylor ever had in G&G, to me that guy has B o s t i ck written all over him
Re: Week 14 Post-Game: Giants-24 Packers-22
Posted: 12 Dec 2023 13:58
by bud fox
lupedafiasco wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023 13:55
bud fox wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023 13:54
The amount of end arounds is an indictment on Dillon.
Lafleur still trying to run the ball but Dillon has been poor. If jones was up and healthy we probably have 1 or 2 of the end arounds.
I know MLF likes them as he even had lazard do them before.
I think the plan was to try and neutralize Lawrence by getting outside the defense.
Yuh good point - a lot of motion around the line of scrimmage even when not running the endaround.
Re: Week 14 Post-Game: Giants-24 Packers-22
Posted: 12 Dec 2023 13:59
by lake shark
bud fox wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023 13:54
The amount of end arounds is an indictment on Dillon.
Lafleur still trying to run the ball but Dillon has been poor. If jones was up and healthy we probably have 1 or 2 of the end arounds.
I know MLF likes them as he even had lazard do them before.
The only negative play that I can remember from this game was that screen pass where he fell down then got up and caught it for a huge loss. Running he was gaining yards, had Love given him the ball on the 3rd down option where he fumbled it would have been a first down. Now that the options are a threat, they need to go back to Dillon on the first part of the option a bit more.
Re: Week 14 Post-Game: Giants-24 Packers-22
Posted: 12 Dec 2023 14:07
by Drj820
Dillon was performing fine in this game and he was up for the task of moving the chainst (albeit slowly and not turning the ball over)
the guys a second round pick. We should be fine without Jones from the pure RB perspective. Now, I know we will always miss Jones playmaking ability. But dillon should be, and is...plenty good to carry the load for a game.
Re: Week 14 Post-Game: Giants-24 Packers-22
Posted: 12 Dec 2023 14:14
by NCF
Drj820 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023 14:07
Dillon was performing fine in this game and he was up for the task of moving the chainst (albeit slowly and not turning the ball over)
the guys a second round pick. We should be fine without Jones from the pure RB perspective. Now, I know we will always miss Jones playmaking ability. But dillon should be, and is...plenty good to carry the load for a game.
If he was healthy, himself, I would agree.