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Honestly yoop, we already have sold out. I would view our cap situation as "selling out" already if it means we just keep our current team and players who are already under contract. Deferring $20 to $30 million into later years of players's contracts who are already in later years of their deal (except Bak) is going all in.Yoop wrote: ↑11 Feb 2021 11:08well I don't get that feeling listening to Andre Brandt, think about it, we edon't have a history as a team of putting all our eggs in a two year basket except for the Devine era, we didn't sell out to prolong Favre's ability, and I just have a hard time we'll see it now with Rodgers, as Gute hinted, we'll do everything we can to help him till we decide to install Love, then we'll continue to do our best to help him, I don't know where you see this blowing all up stuff.
well Bak went and got himself hurt right when we needed him most, and probably wont play for the first 4 to 6 games next year, I'd think he'd try and help the team any way he can, it's not as though he wont eventually get this money, same with some of our other vets, all should be willing to stretch there contracts in order to improve this team.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑11 Feb 2021 12:10Why would Bak agree to this? They have no leverage over him that I can see.
I expect the cap will jump with TV revenue increases about that time and we'll be able to pay down the back loading, I guess how you define BLOWN UP is the question, to me it means selling off talent to pay past debt, and while we may see some of that ( we always do, sorta) I don't see a mas exodus on the horizon as we have with some other teams in the past, the closest we've come to anything like that was when Ted took over and auctioned off the Guards, It'll be interesting how this unfolds.go pak go wrote: ↑11 Feb 2021 12:30Honestly yoop, we already have sold out. I would view our cap situation as "selling out" already if it means we just keep our current team and players who are already under contract. Deferring $20 to $30 million into later years of players's contracts who are already in later years of their deal (except Bak) is going all in.Yoop wrote: ↑11 Feb 2021 11:08well I don't get that feeling listening to Andre Brandt, think about it, we edon't have a history as a team of putting all our eggs in a two year basket except for the Devine era, we didn't sell out to prolong Favre's ability, and I just have a hard time we'll see it now with Rodgers, as Gute hinted, we'll do everything we can to help him till we decide to install Love, then we'll continue to do our best to help him, I don't know where you see this blowing all up stuff.
The reality is if we decide to defer some cap space, we are likely going to have a "come to Jesus" moment in 2023 which is likely when we make the switch from Rodgers to Love. And that will probably be the year we expense or recognize a lot of the cap we had deferred up to that point.
That's kind of my what I'm seeing anyways. I mean I know the cap thing gets tricky because it expands etc. in later years. But contracts will also expand with it. It just seems apparent to me that if we are going this route to keep our roster in tact, it means we are going for it and can likely expect a rebuil after 2022 and center the new Packers era around Love, Adams, Alexander, Gary, Savage, Clark and Dillon. (among others at that point)
I am entirely sure why we need to do these things you are suggesting, like defer $30 million into later years? Or even why that would be such a terrible thing in the case of restructuring Bakhtiari or resigning Amos and Adams and Z. Smith.go pak go wrote: ↑11 Feb 2021 12:30
Honestly yoop, we already have sold out. I would view our cap situation as "selling out" already if it means we just keep our current team and players who are already under contract. Deferring $20 to $30 million into later years of players's contracts who are already in later years of their deal (except Bak) is going all in.
The reality is if we decide to defer some cap space, we are likely going to have a "come to Jesus" moment in 2023 which is likely when we make the switch from Rodgers to Love. And that will probably be the year we expense or recognize a lot of the cap we had deferred up to that point.
That's kind of my what I'm seeing anyways. I mean I know the cap thing gets tricky because it expands etc. in later years. But contracts will also expand with it. It just seems apparent to me that if we are going this route to keep our roster in tact, it means we are going for it and can likely expect a rebuil after 2022 and center the new Packers era around Love, Adams, Alexander, Gary, Savage, Clark and Dillon. (among others at that point)
Let me ask you this. How can we get away with not doing it? I'm just a simple CPA and CMA. I probably know numbers more than others but I won't pretend I know the whole story. But by March 17...serious cap alterations have to be made. That we do know. And that is either:Pckfn23 wrote: ↑11 Feb 2021 12:52I am entirely sure why we need to do these things you are suggesting, like defer $30 million into later years? Or even why that would be such a terrible thing in the case of restructuring Bakhtiari or resigning Amos and Adams and Z. Smith.go pak go wrote: ↑11 Feb 2021 12:30
Honestly yoop, we already have sold out. I would view our cap situation as "selling out" already if it means we just keep our current team and players who are already under contract. Deferring $20 to $30 million into later years of players's contracts who are already in later years of their deal (except Bak) is going all in.
The reality is if we decide to defer some cap space, we are likely going to have a "come to Jesus" moment in 2023 which is likely when we make the switch from Rodgers to Love. And that will probably be the year we expense or recognize a lot of the cap we had deferred up to that point.
That's kind of my what I'm seeing anyways. I mean I know the cap thing gets tricky because it expands etc. in later years. But contracts will also expand with it. It just seems apparent to me that if we are going this route to keep our roster in tact, it means we are going for it and can likely expect a rebuil after 2022 and center the new Packers era around Love, Adams, Alexander, Gary, Savage, Clark and Dillon. (among others at that point)
I'm Mickey Loomis and I approve this message.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑12 Feb 2021 09:55If there is 1 thing that 2020 should have taught us all, it is to live for now. The future will almost certainly be very different than what we expect. Do it now, for September 2021 and February 2022. Worry about 2023 when/if 2023 arrives in a way that we can even recognize.
Oh. I thought the answer was going to be, "if 2020 taught us anything, it's that even when we clearly have the best roster and homefield advantage to go to the SB and win it, we will still lose the NFC Championship game"TheSkeptic wrote: ↑12 Feb 2021 09:55If there is 1 thing that 2020 should have taught us all, it is to live for now. The future will almost certainly be very different than what we expect. Do it now, for September 2021 and February 2022. Worry about 2023 when/if 2023 arrives in a way that we can even recognize.
3rd time is a charmgo pak go wrote: ↑12 Feb 2021 12:25Oh. I thought the answer was going to be, "if 2020 taught us anything, it's that even when we clearly have the best roster and homefield advantage to go to the SB and win it, we will still lose the NFC Championship game"TheSkeptic wrote: ↑12 Feb 2021 09:55If there is 1 thing that 2020 should have taught us all, it is to live for now. The future will almost certainly be very different than what we expect. Do it now, for September 2021 and February 2022. Worry about 2023 when/if 2023 arrives in a way that we can even recognize.
inevitably, we are Jekyl and Hyde, Jekyl during the season, and Hide come playoff time, it's probably because we been lacking A JJ Watts, or a similar dominating player on defense, our defense lacks Identity, even though we have some excellent defensive players, sorta been like this since the early years of Mathews, and Woodson, Z and Clark can dominate, but just havn't done so consistently enough.go pak go wrote: ↑12 Feb 2021 12:25Oh. I thought the answer was going to be, "if 2020 taught us anything, it's that even when we clearly have the best roster and homefield advantage to go to the SB and win it, we will still lose the NFC Championship game"TheSkeptic wrote: ↑12 Feb 2021 09:55If there is 1 thing that 2020 should have taught us all, it is to live for now. The future will almost certainly be very different than what we expect. Do it now, for September 2021 and February 2022. Worry about 2023 when/if 2023 arrives in a way that we can even recognize.
Kenny Clark is that guy. Jaire Alexander is that guy. Julius Peppers and Clay Matthews were that guy. Z should be that guy.Yoop wrote: ↑12 Feb 2021 14:07inevitably, we are Jekyl and Hyde, Jekyl during the season, and Hide come playoff time, it's probably because we been lacking A JJ Watts, or a similar dominating player on defense, our defense lacks Identity, even though we have some excellent defensive players, sorta been like this since the early years of Mathews, and Woodson, Z and Clark can dominate, but just havn't done so consistently enough.go pak go wrote: ↑12 Feb 2021 12:25Oh. I thought the answer was going to be, "if 2020 taught us anything, it's that even when we clearly have the best roster and homefield advantage to go to the SB and win it, we will still lose the NFC Championship game"TheSkeptic wrote: ↑12 Feb 2021 09:55If there is 1 thing that 2020 should have taught us all, it is to live for now. The future will almost certainly be very different than what we expect. Do it now, for September 2021 and February 2022. Worry about 2023 when/if 2023 arrives in a way that we can even recognize.
And it very well may be. It very well may be that the top of our roster isn't that guy and these Packers will never win what they want to win.Half Empty wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021 09:52Semantics, perhaps, but then he wasn't that guy in the first place.
he'll get this figured out