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williewasgreat wrote: ↑

01 Oct 2020 08:25

BSA wrote: ↑

30 Sep 2020 16:25

Jared Cook 2 catches 21 yards. cap number = $9 Million
Robert Tonyan 5 catches 50 yards. cap number = $750k

season #s
Jared Cook 9/114/ 1 TD
Robert Tonyan 7/75/ 2 TD

Saints paid $ 8.25 M for 2 extra catches

Comparing apples and oranges. Different QBs and different offenses. Cook is a much better TE than Tonyan.

Cook may have been better in his prime, and his ceiling was always higher than a guy like Tonyan most likely due to athleticism. And I wish we had resigned him, but Cook is pretty old and washed now.

The way Tonyan has come out so far in 2020 I think I’m happy to have him over cook in 2020.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

01 Oct 2020 09:43

Cook may have been better in his prime, and his ceiling was always higher than a guy like Tonyan most likely due to athleticism. And I wish we had resigned him, but Cook is pretty old and washed now.

The way Tonyan has come out so far in 2020 I think I’m happy to have him over cook in 2020.

Y'all realize Tonyan is a converted small-school WR, not some big lumbering dude, right? Like, no, did he run Cook's 4.49? No, but he ran a 4.58 and had very solid TE agility drills and a 35" vertical. Tonyan isn't this unathletic cornfed midwesterner.

Physically, measurably, he's closer to Noah Fant than to TJ Hockenson, just to use a recent spectrum familiar to all of us. His ceiling is what he makes of it, and the fact that it's taking into year 3 for a small school position-convert at a position that usually takes into year 2 or 3 even for bigger school guys to break out doesn't mean much about his future or present.

Is it guaranteed that he'll continue an upward trajectory? Of course not. But all this talk about his ceiling or someone else's athleticism is just based on a misguided understanding of who he is. As I pointed out in another thread last month, he and Allen Lazard have more in common than he and, I dunno, Marcedes Lewis.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

01 Oct 2020 08:01

go pak go wrote: ↑

01 Oct 2020 07:47

The Saints missed their window. Their prime window was 2017/2018 and they know it.

2019 and 2020 is their last gasp with 2020 likely being the slow death. I do feel for them though because Covid hurt them hard with no home field advantage.

I think the Packers in 2019 are where the Saints are in 2017. I think our window is likely similar to theirs for the exception of we may be able to squeeze another year of effort beyond New Orleans.

I really think we gotta strike when the iron is hot and 2020, 2021 being our best shot years with 2022 and 2023 being marginal shots if we play it right.....but if we do play it right and go all in, 2024/2025 is time to meet our reality too.

Unless we just draft amazing.

I really feel this is our best shot in the next 3 years. We are gonna lose some really good players next offseason. I still think the best move is to keep Bak because he is the absolute best at his position but if we do that we really can’t afford anything else. Gutey has done a decent job pulling together a winning roster but I think he’s made a lot of poor decisions in terms of managing the cap.

Yes, Gutey has overpaid for a few players. But some of the expensive contracts can be re-done. I don't see a problem with reworking guys like the Smiths, they're still in they're prime, so adding a year or 2 isn't such a bad idea. Amos is still a pretty young guy too.
So things can be done without redoing contracts of players in they're early 30s.

And unlike all of the experts, I think the Pack had a pretty good draft. Except for Love who is going to be a question mark until he plays, everyone else has a chance to contribute for several years.

Christo wrote: ↑

01 Oct 2020 10:22

And unlike all of the experts, I think the Pack had a pretty good draft.

They did
It just wasn't the draft that the experts predicted. So that left the experts with 2 choices:
They could either admit they were wrong OR they could double down and say the Packers got it wrong.
Predictably, they chose the latter.

BF004 wrote: ↑

01 Oct 2020 13:42

Come. On. Now.

When could the injury have even happened?

EQ. Shouldn't he be eligible this week? To practice, at least?

NCF wrote: ↑

01 Oct 2020 13:56

EQ. Shouldn't he be eligible this week? To practice, at least?

No; he wasn’t added to IR till after the MN game

BF004 wrote: ↑

01 Oct 2020 13:58

NCF wrote: ↑

01 Oct 2020 13:56

EQ. Shouldn't he be eligible this week? To practice, at least?

No; he wasn’t added to IR till after the MN game

Ah. Right.

BF004 wrote: ↑

01 Oct 2020 14:09

That was a nasty move.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

01 Oct 2020 06:22

Christo wrote: ↑

30 Sep 2020 22:17

BSA wrote: ↑

30 Sep 2020 16:25

Jared Cook 2 catches 21 yards. cap number = $9 Million
Robert Tonyan 5 catches 50 yards. cap number = $750k

season #s
Jared Cook 9/114/ 1 TD
Robert Tonyan 7/75/ 2 TD

Saints paid $ 8.25 M for 2 extra catches

It amazes me how teams like the Saints play around with the cap. Seems like everybody on that team is one of the highest paid players in the league.
Brees has to be top 15 in QBs, Kamara top 4 or 5 at RB, Thomas is at least top 5 at WR, Cam Jordan is top 10 at DE. Throw in Cooks 9 million plus Sanders has to be getting about the same as Cook. And they always have extra money to play the free agent market. Somethings not right.

The Saints maneuvered to make this their all in year before likely rebuilding. Brees is the only player making more than 10mil.

Next year they have 12 players making more than 10mil and are projected to be close to 80mil over the cap.

I stand corrected, did a quick look online, the Saints have several players just under the 10 million range. And your right next year is going to a bloodbath as far as releasing/trading/ redoing contracts for them.

Kirksley to IR has to be the least surprising news I’ve heard all 2020, was just hoping it wouldn’t be in the first quarter of the season.

Just a little tidbit I came across while wandering around

The 2020 Packers offense has run an average of 15 more plays/ game than their opponents offense.
2020 Packers offense is currently # 2 in NFL, with 7.32 plays per drive, Chiefs are at 7.45
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats ... tsoff/2020

Within a team- typically, the 2 safeties have the highest snap counts.
But so far - the Packers offense is controlling the ball so well that they have the highest snap counts. By a lot.
I believe the current tally is 213 Offensive snaps to 167 Defensive. That's another measure of a dominant offense.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats ... ounts_form

NCF wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2020 22:20

I still think hes using us as leverage to get more money from the Chickens but if we land him we have a complete roster top to bottom.

NCF wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2020 22:20

Stop it, I can only get so erect

Big Bob's workout buddy is impressed