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It's basically a messed up / no clear win situation. Packers can't win monetarily ........... but can win the fans back by doing the right thing for the fans and for the near future of the Packers. Right now if the Packers QB wears #12 in 2023 the boo audio decibel levels will certainly be readily heard when the offense is announced at pre-game. From Butte College, #12 Aaron Rodgers ........ BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Maybe Gutey will only agree to announcing the defense at pre-game if #12 is still there. In any event I'd keep your Dickey (#10 or #12) and #12 Bratkowski jerseys........and burn your all of your Rodgers jerseys.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑25 Feb 2023 10:27The Packers don’t have any leverage. Sounds good to say they do but the reality there isn’t any.RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑25 Feb 2023 08:47This thread might be mislabeled. Why not PACKERS WATCH 2023 instead? Only because the PACKERS hold all of the cards with respect to Aaron Rodgers future this offseason. Aaron Rodgers can't do anything (besides retire) unless the Packers let him. The term "I OWN YOU" is a PACKERS term, not an Aaron Rodgers term. The Packers have the leverage regarding Aaron Rodgers' future.
It's simple: Either dump him for draft picks .......... or buy a black tent and wait him out.
In terms of a trade if he doesn’t like where they’re trading him he threatens that team he will retire. They back out of the trade. No one is reading resources for nothing. He ends up on the books for us.
He comes back he is either the starter or the backup. Regardless it costs us $60M and there’s no way at that price he’s a backup. Gutenbumst would look more stupid than he already does.
It sounds to me like Hackett and LaFleur did not bend the knee to Rodgers; and Hackett thought not bending the knee was a cause of tension; not that they did bend the knee.Drj820 wrote: ↑25 Feb 2023 12:22She said there was real tension Year one in GB with rodgers, Lafleur, and Hackett over Rodgers resistance to Lafleurs offense.
She said Hackett wanted to avoid that tension by accommodating russ fully and he simply went way too far, lost all control, and put his fate in a struggling QBs hands to the detriment of the full team.
Made me infer Rodgers PLAY in year one wasn’t why Love was drafted, but Rodgers being a pain in the a** and resisting the coach was the reason Love was drafted. Made me also think how Hackett and Lafleur bending knee to 12 year one, led to hacketts quick downfall in Denver.
now your trying to compare Rodgers, who had every right in the world to know who was replacing McCarthy, with Wilson who had become a cancer in Seattle and openly wanted Carroll and the GM fired.Drj820 wrote: ↑25 Feb 2023 12:22Athletic reporter who wrote story about Russ Wilson wanting Pete Carroll fired was on mad dog sports radio today.
She said Hacketts downfall with Russ was that when he came in he wanted peace with Russ and wanted to accommodate his preferences too much. Said Russ was constantly changing hand signals and wanting to implement too much for a first year offense. Said Hackett gave Russ his own office not on the first floor where the players hang..but the second floor where management hangs. She said there was real tension Year one in GB with rodgers, Lafleur, and Hackett over Rodgers resistance to Lafleurs offense.
She said Hackett wanted to avoid that tension by accommodating russ fully and he simply went way too far, lost all control, and put his fate in a struggling QBs hands to the detriment of the full team.
Made me infer Rodgers PLAY in year one wasn’t why Love was drafted, but Rodgers being a pain in the a** and resisting the coach was the reason Love was drafted. Made me also think how Hackett and Lafleur bending knee to 12 year one, led to hacketts quick downfall in Denver.
Yoop , what's happened to you? Aaron doesn't need you or anyone else to defend him at every lick? People have a right to their opinion on any player..they don't have to love him or not be critical to be a fan. Hell man that's why Jeff started news.net to get away from Julie's nazi crap.Yoop wrote: ↑25 Feb 2023 13:43now your trying to compare Rodgers, who had every right in the world to know who was replacing McCarthy, with Wilson who had become a cancer in Seattle and openly wanted Carroll and the GM fired.Drj820 wrote: ↑25 Feb 2023 12:22Athletic reporter who wrote story about Russ Wilson wanting Pete Carroll fired was on mad dog sports radio today.
She said Hacketts downfall with Russ was that when he came in he wanted peace with Russ and wanted to accommodate his preferences too much. Said Russ was constantly changing hand signals and wanting to implement too much for a first year offense. Said Hackett gave Russ his own office not on the first floor where the players hang..but the second floor where management hangs. She said there was real tension Year one in GB with rodgers, Lafleur, and Hackett over Rodgers resistance to Lafleurs offense.
She said Hackett wanted to avoid that tension by accommodating russ fully and he simply went way too far, lost all control, and put his fate in a struggling QBs hands to the detriment of the full team.
Made me infer Rodgers PLAY in year one wasn’t why Love was drafted, but Rodgers being a pain in the a** and resisting the coach was the reason Love was drafted. Made me also think how Hackett and Lafleur bending knee to 12 year one, led to hacketts quick downfall in Denver.
If it's true that Gute drafted Love because Rodgers wanted a voice in what Lafleur intended to do, then he should have taken out his grief with Murphy, who as you know extended Rodgers to the tune of over a 100 mil not six months prior, I don't believe that crap for 1 minute, these two circumstances don't seem the same even if they appear that way, Gute took Love in a draft following a 13-3 season, and if ya look back both Lafleur and Rodgers seemed to get along well, your turning a situation that is bound to have growing pains into Rodgers being un coachable, and thats BS.
what people wont say to degrade Rodgers.
and you guys are in the middle. maybe the boxer from me was over board, and your right people have every right to there opinions even if they lack credibility.wizard 87 wrote: ↑25 Feb 2023 14:04Yoop , what's happened to you? Aaron doesn't need you or anyone else to defend him at every lick? People have a right to their opinion on any player..they don't have to love him or not be critical to be a fan. Hell man that's why Jeff started news.net to get away from Julie's nazi crap.Yoop wrote: ↑25 Feb 2023 13:43now your trying to compare Rodgers, who had every right in the world to know who was replacing McCarthy, with Wilson who had become a cancer in Seattle and openly wanted Carroll and the GM fired.Drj820 wrote: ↑25 Feb 2023 12:22Athletic reporter who wrote story about Russ Wilson wanting Pete Carroll fired was on mad dog sports radio today.
She said Hacketts downfall with Russ was that when he came in he wanted peace with Russ and wanted to accommodate his preferences too much. Said Russ was constantly changing hand signals and wanting to implement too much for a first year offense. Said Hackett gave Russ his own office not on the first floor where the players hang..but the second floor where management hangs. She said there was real tension Year one in GB with rodgers, Lafleur, and Hackett over Rodgers resistance to Lafleurs offense.
She said Hackett wanted to avoid that tension by accommodating russ fully and he simply went way too far, lost all control, and put his fate in a struggling QBs hands to the detriment of the full team.
Made me infer Rodgers PLAY in year one wasn’t why Love was drafted, but Rodgers being a pain in the a** and resisting the coach was the reason Love was drafted. Made me also think how Hackett and Lafleur bending knee to 12 year one, led to hacketts quick downfall in Denver.
If it's true that Gute drafted Love because Rodgers wanted a voice in what Lafleur intended to do, then he should have taken out his grief with Murphy, who as you know extended Rodgers to the tune of over a 100 mil not six months prior, I don't believe that crap for 1 minute, these two circumstances don't seem the same even if they appear that way, Gute took Love in a draft following a 13-3 season, and if ya look back both Lafleur and Rodgers seemed to get along well, your turning a situation that is bound to have growing pains into Rodgers being un coachable, and thats BS.
what people wont say to degrade Rodgers.
I think the world of you and a few more here but every Rodgers post looks like this ...
Seriously it's okay if people don't want Aaron Rodgers as their QB anymore, they don't need a justifying reason. It's really not worth getting worked up about.
I'll respond in points.Madcity_matt wrote: ↑25 Feb 2023 10:30Engaging in this is, knowing that I'm almost certainly not going to change your mind. We both agree that Rodgers is one of the best QB to ever play the game. Your take appears to be that Rodgers is still at the absolute top of his game. I did not see that this past season. I saw a good to very good QB at times, but there was a regression last year in his ability to find and get the ball to the open man. Agreed that there was inconsistency among the receivers and offensive line, but there were plenty of plays that could have and should have been made but weren't. There is a natural arc that any player that plays for as long as he has follows. In his first few years he had a stupid amount of athleticism but not the knowledge and savvy. As that improved, he hit a very long period of prime years where he was at the top of his game both physically and mentally. And now, his physical skills are starting to decline. There is an adage that has been around longer than you or I that it is better to move on a year early than a year late. This is the point that we are at now. As I stated in my original post I do still think that Rodgers in 2023 is better than Love in 2023. The risk in keeping Rodgers is that he may (and to be fair, most likely will) further regress to some degree this year. If this is the case, Green Bay will not be able to get any capital for him next year, and will still have to deal with the massive salary cap implications, while also gaining no NFL game evaluations for Love. I favor the Love route because we can gain experience and further evaluation of him in NFL games while freeing up salary cap and gaining draft capital in order to make a looming decision on Love that could impact the next decade.bud fox wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023 19:38Love won’t be our QB in 2040 so should we move on?Madcity_matt wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023 16:24I think what gets lost in a lot of these conversations/arguments is that a lot of the posters who prefer to move on this offseason aren't arguing that Rodgers isn't likely the better option in 2023. The undisputable reality is that Rodgers will not be our QB in 2029, while it is possible that Jordan Love is. I favor moving on because I don't think we have the ammo to win it all this year, and I would prefer to get something for Rodgers and see what we have in Love.
If you can’t compete for a sb with mvp, hof, best qb of all time … you should be moving on from your gm not the qb.
I am using last year because it is the most recent data. I get all of the underlying factors that went into last year, and certainly his level of play may return to the level it was the two years prior...but there is no guarantee that it does. As someone who feels as strongly as you clearly do about Rodgers, I get the sentiment that he has 5 more years left- and anything is possible- but Brady is the anomaly of anomalies. To operate under the assumption that Rodgers will be able to play at an MVP level for 5 more years because 1 other player in history did it is making an enormous leap.bud fox wrote: ↑25 Feb 2023 14:23I'll respond in points.Madcity_matt wrote: ↑25 Feb 2023 10:30Engaging in this is, knowing that I'm almost certainly not going to change your mind. We both agree that Rodgers is one of the best QB to ever play the game. Your take appears to be that Rodgers is still at the absolute top of his game. I did not see that this past season. I saw a good to very good QB at times, but there was a regression last year in his ability to find and get the ball to the open man. Agreed that there was inconsistency among the receivers and offensive line, but there were plenty of plays that could have and should have been made but weren't. There is a natural arc that any player that plays for as long as he has follows. In his first few years he had a stupid amount of athleticism but not the knowledge and savvy. As that improved, he hit a very long period of prime years where he was at the top of his game both physically and mentally. And now, his physical skills are starting to decline. There is an adage that has been around longer than you or I that it is better to move on a year early than a year late. This is the point that we are at now. As I stated in my original post I do still think that Rodgers in 2023 is better than Love in 2023. The risk in keeping Rodgers is that he may (and to be fair, most likely will) further regress to some degree this year. If this is the case, Green Bay will not be able to get any capital for him next year, and will still have to deal with the massive salary cap implications, while also gaining no NFL game evaluations for Love. I favor the Love route because we can gain experience and further evaluation of him in NFL games while freeing up salary cap and gaining draft capital in order to make a looming decision on Love that could impact the next decade.
This was the sentiment at end of 2019 - he then went on to win back to back mvp.
You are using a year in which it was the worst receiving group, poor oline and Rodgers had a broken thumb. On his throwing hand.
Biology will kick in and play will decline but I think he is still the best option for probably another 5 years ala Brady.
Fans need to see Love play to evaluate him. Not the team. Games would help but you can get enough information as a team from every practice etc. Why packers quickly packed up Favres locker and sent it to him.
Packers keep begging Rodgers to come back should tell you everything you need to know.
Yoop wrote: ↑25 Feb 2023 14:14maybe the boxer from me was over board, and your right people have every right to there opinions even if they lack credibility.wizard 87 wrote: ↑25 Feb 2023 14:04Yoop , what's happened to you? Aaron doesn't need you or anyone else to defend him at every lick? People have a right to their opinion on any player..they don't have to love him or not be critical to be a fan. Hell man that's why Jeff started news.net to get away from Julie's nazi crap.Yoop wrote: ↑25 Feb 2023 13:43
now your trying to compare Rodgers, who had every right in the world to know who was replacing McCarthy, with Wilson who had become a cancer in Seattle and openly wanted Carroll and the GM fired.
If it's true that Gute drafted Love because Rodgers wanted a voice in what Lafleur intended to do, then he should have taken out his grief with Murphy, who as you know extended Rodgers to the tune of over a 100 mil not six months prior, I don't believe that crap for 1 minute, these two circumstances don't seem the same even if they appear that way, Gute took Love in a draft following a 13-3 season, and if ya look back both Lafleur and Rodgers seemed to get along well, your turning a situation that is bound to have growing pains into Rodgers being un coachable, and thats BS.
what people wont say to degrade Rodgers.
I think the world of you and a few more here but every Rodgers post looks like this ...
Seriously it's okay if people don't want Aaron Rodgers as their QB anymore, they don't need a justifying reason. It's really not worth getting worked up about.
again if we dump Rodgers and move on with Love I can understand, my point is if we don't I understand that to.
lack of credibility? 
this is so twisted I don't know where to begin, while you act as though Rodgers didn't see the check down receivers, I gave a logical explanation why at times he wouldn't throw to them, attempting to shed light on just how dis functional the whole situation was, McCarthy didn't have a short passing scheme, and we lacked receivers to make the spread vertical pass schemes work.go pak go wrote: ↑25 Feb 2023 16:13Yoop wrote: ↑25 Feb 2023 14:14maybe the boxer from me was over board, and your right people have every right to there opinions even if they lack credibility.wizard 87 wrote: ↑25 Feb 2023 14:04
Yoop , what's happened to you? Aaron doesn't need you or anyone else to defend him at every lick? People have a right to their opinion on any player..they don't have to love him or not be critical to be a fan. Hell man that's why Jeff started news.net to get away from Julie's nazi crap.
I think the world of you and a few more here but every Rodgers post looks like this ...
Seriously it's okay if people don't want Aaron Rodgers as their QB anymore, they don't need a justifying reason. It's really not worth getting worked up about.
again if we dump Rodgers and move on with Love I can understand, my point is if we don't I understand that to.
Every post you have made regarding 2018 Rodgers play was to say he intentionally played poorly to boot McCarthy out the door.
Yet in this transactional argument, you go ahead and defend Rodgers's behavior with MM while criticizing Wilson for being an intetnioal cancer to boot out the GM and HC?...isn't that literally what you always said Rodgers did in 2018 to defend his crappy play?
Transactional arguments at its finest.
, isn't even a apples to oranges comparison, more like Arkansas ruby reds that ya pick first frost, but wont be ready to eat till march, fabulous for baking because they store so long compared to the blueberry's in my back yard that have a shelf life of about 30 days, Wilson was like a match, bright , but doesn't burn long, Wilson is on record for wanting a great coach and GM fired, Rodgers to my knowledge gave respect to Mike after he was fired, and countless times with Ted, adapted very well to the change to Matt Lafleur, and even said nice things about a GM that for no real reason at all Passed on several highly graded receivers and drafted his replacement instead, so no, imo thats not a good comparison.I kind of think the opposite.
