Packers Huddle

Savage, Lancaster, Clark, and devondre all had banner days for the defense.

go pak go wrote: ↑

27 Sep 2021 08:25

I think another thing that hasn't gotten discussed enough is just how many missed opportunities our defense had at interceptions and how the 9ers scored or kept drives moving on amazing 3rd down plays and conversions.

We are 3rd from last in 3rd down conversion percentage allowed this year. Tough time getting ogg the field, even in good position. They had a ton of them last night, as you said.

7386 first downs or TDs on 4th and 1. 4182 times 4th and 1 was stopped. 63.8% chance of getting 1st down.

Inside the 5 it is 863 converted, 976 stopped or 46.9%.

All the talk about the PIs and helmet to helmet missed call, but what about the roughing the passer on Jaire... That one to me was pretty damn bogus too.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

27 Sep 2021 08:42

7386 first downs or TDs on 4th and 1. 4182 times 4th and 1 was stopped. 63.8% chance of getting 1st down.

Inside the 5 it is 863 converted, 976 stopped or 46.9%.

I am very in favor of going for it on 4th and short deep in opposing territory. The "downside" of a non-conversion still puts the opposing offense in such a hole that giving up points is unlikely and there's a chance to keep the field position favorable with an early stop. We did just fine on that yesterday; will never complain about that call unless it's as time expires in the half where the field position advantages are mitigated (imagine if we had stopped Lance on the last play of the half to keep the shutout going, for instance)

Was cool hearing Aaron talk about this play.

Basically was a design for Davante, Cobb runs the clear out, just need to get the ball over Warner.

Makes is sound so simple, lol.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

27 Sep 2021 08:45

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

27 Sep 2021 08:42

7386 first downs or TDs on 4th and 1. 4182 times 4th and 1 was stopped. 63.8% chance of getting 1st down.

Inside the 5 it is 863 converted, 976 stopped or 46.9%.

I am very in favor of going for it on 4th and short deep in opposing territory. The "downside" of a non-conversion still puts the opposing offense in such a hole that giving up points is unlikely and there's a chance to keep the field position favorable with an early stop. We did just fine on that yesterday; will never complain about that call unless it's as time expires in the half where the field position advantages are mitigated (imagine if we had stopped Lance on the last play of the half to keep the shutout going, for instance)

Same. I also believe we convert if the snap was handled better. SF had a 10 play drive following that, but only made it to our 49.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

27 Sep 2021 08:41

go pak go wrote: ↑

27 Sep 2021 08:25

I think another thing that hasn't gotten discussed enough is just how many missed opportunities our defense had at interceptions and how the 9ers scored or kept drives moving on amazing 3rd down plays and conversions.

We are 3rd from last in 3rd down conversion percentage allowed this year. Tough time getting ogg the field, even in good position. They had a ton of them last night, as you said.

And a lot of them we played that down really well. Like a huge play in this game is after our failed 4th down (after the Alexander INT), it is like 3rd and 7 and Savage destroys Samuel and somehow Samuel holds onto it. Definitely got a good spot from the refs but after watching replays, I can't complain about the spot terribly.

But that is a play that likely changes this game a lot if we force a 3 and out and get the ball at midfield.

Another thing we still really struggle at though is allowing chunk plays on 2nd and long. Looks like we play too much off coverage on 2nd and long after a sack which gives the opponent an easy 3rd down and distance. That needs to be cleaned up.

go pak go wrote: ↑

27 Sep 2021 08:23

49ers website are complaining hard core they got jipped by the refs.

Their grip is basically the Lazard PI (no points came off it), the Adams PI and a hold that John Runyan had on the final drive.

The Lazard PI call was the same level of BS as both Stokes PI calls, I think. The Adams PI call was totally legit, though. Adams was working back to the ball and the 49er grabbed and hooked him. It was a lucky break for us, yes; but lucky because the 49er committed a penalty he didn't need to, but not because the refs gifted us a penalty call.

Complaining about offensive holding no-calls is dumb. There will always be a handful of those in both directions in any game.

But my goodness what the refs did to us and when they did it. I haven't seen anything like this in ages. I haven't been so disgusted with the refs after a game since the Fail Mary. Refs are NEVER my storyline preference. But it was unreal last night.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

27 Sep 2021 08:44

All the talk about the PIs and helmet to helmet missed call, but what about the roughing the passer on Jaire... That one to me was pretty damn bogus too.

I mean literally. What else is he supposed to do?

How do you call a Roughing call when the defender doesn't even take the QB to the ground? If that isn't "pulling up" what the hell is?

Also. Can I comment how much I hate Kyle Shannahan and his stupid white skaterboy hat?

BF004 wrote: ↑

27 Sep 2021 08:45

Was cool hearing Aaron talk about this play.

Basically was a design for Davante, Cobb runs the clear out, just need to get the ball over Warner.

Makes is sound so simple, lol.

So in Rodgers' presser, Rodgers said that he made up the route adjustment in practice on Thursday and that "we all liked it."

In MLF's presser, he credited Luke Getsy for identifying an adjustment that they could make and they implemented it.

I wonder if they'll give each other crap about credit for the play, haha.

(My guess is Rodgers made the adjustment in the 2 minute drill Thursday and Getsy is one of the ones who "liked it" and communicated that to MLF, who then also "liked it"

MVS wasnt in on the last drive bc he pulled up lame the drive we decided to go deep 3x in a row. Hope hes alright.

go pak go wrote: ↑

27 Sep 2021 08:50

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

27 Sep 2021 08:44

All the talk about the PIs and helmet to helmet missed call, but what about the roughing the passer on Jaire... That one to me was pretty damn bogus too.

I mean literally. What else is he supposed to do?

How do you call a Roughing call when the defender doesn't even take the QB to the ground? If that isn't "pulling up" what the hell is?

I assumed he had hit the helmet because he sorta went high. In real time I thought a flag was going to come because he was in the air moving toward the QB's head as the camera followed the ball away. But then I saw the replay... no blow to the head. Absolutely no way that should be called without contact to the head. I have no idea how it was called otherwise.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

27 Sep 2021 08:55

go pak go wrote: ↑

27 Sep 2021 08:50

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

27 Sep 2021 08:44

All the talk about the PIs and helmet to helmet missed call, but what about the roughing the passer on Jaire... That one to me was pretty damn bogus too.

I mean literally. What else is he supposed to do?

How do you call a Roughing call when the defender doesn't even take the QB to the ground? If that isn't "pulling up" what the hell is?

I assumed he had hit the helmet because he sorta went high. In real time I thought a flag was going to come because he was in the air moving toward the QB's head as the camera followed the ball away. But then I saw the replay... no blow to the head. Absolutely no way that should be called without contact to the head. I have no idea how it was called otherwise.

I don't think it should have been called, but I'm not surprised either. He was "late" enough by the rule and he was high.

Late enough?

He literally started his leap while Jimmy still has the ball in his hands.

The rules are set up so much to allow the QB to make a play. Because Jimmy could still pump fake it, spin out, etc. I just hate how these rules of the game have made it so hard on defenses.

it was a bad call but they def called it because he went high. He left his feet and jumped up. Trash call, but i bet thats why.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

27 Sep 2021 08:55

go pak go wrote: ↑

27 Sep 2021 08:50

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

27 Sep 2021 08:44

All the talk about the PIs and helmet to helmet missed call, but what about the roughing the passer on Jaire... That one to me was pretty damn bogus too.

I mean literally. What else is he supposed to do?

How do you call a Roughing call when the defender doesn't even take the QB to the ground? If that isn't "pulling up" what the hell is?

I assumed he had hit the helmet because he sorta went high. In real time I thought a flag was going to come because he was in the air moving toward the QB's head as the camera followed the ball away. But then I saw the replay... no blow to the head. Absolutely no way that should be called without contact to the head. I have no idea how it was called otherwise.

It looked Blow to the head for sure from the refs angle.
They will call that everytime for wvery team.
Just cannot strike anywhere up high ever on the qb’s!

go pak go wrote: ↑

27 Sep 2021 09:00

Late enough?

He literally started his leap while Jimmy still has the ball in his hands.

The rules are set up so much to allow the QB to make a play. Because Jimmy could still pump fake it, spin out, etc. I just hate how these rules of the game have made it so hard on defenses.

I agree. But if you are close enough to smell the QBs fart, you aren't allowed to touch him. I think this one was more on the launching and hitting him high. Not a straight helmet hit, but Jaire was off his feet and was high. Has to be smarter, its going to get called whether we like it or not.