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Re: Play the Packer GM (Thanksgiving version)
Posted: 26 Nov 2022 12:37
by Crazylegs Starks
bud fox wrote: ↑25 Nov 2022 19:29
Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑22 Nov 2022 12:29
bud fox wrote: ↑21 Nov 2022 14:11
If you are the GM you don't need to see Love play. As fans we want to see him play because we don't see his training reps scout team etc.
Love is not the saviour. If he was Rodgers wouldn't be here just like how Favre was pushed out when needed to get Rodgers on the field.
"Favre was pushed out" That's an...interesting way to put it. I remember it very differently.
They packed up his locker and said they will send it to him.
Yeah,
after he retired.
Re: Play the Packer GM (Thanksgiving version)
Posted: 27 Nov 2022 08:49
by Pugger
Scott4Pack wrote: ↑25 Nov 2022 15:32
I’m not sure if it’s the holiday sentiment or something else, but part of me thinks that I’m being overly-hard on Aaron Rodgers. So, I am willing to discuss that.
I am disappointed in Aaron’s performance this year. But I think that he would say the same thing, if he’s just evaluating himself. But the question that I consider is whether this is because of his aging and “natural” declining of skill, or is it because of injury, or because of talent around him (including coaching), or some combination of all of those?
First, I will say that I do feel that if Green Bay goes into 2023 with him as starter and keeps our current RBs and young WRs (I include Lazard in that, but not sure about Cobb), I do think that Aaron can play very well next year. If he stays healthy… Yeah, he still needs a TE, but the good ones are harder to find than we care to admit. Yeah, he needs one or two veteran WRs added to the team. And I do feel that Guty will make one of them happen. They likely draft another WR in the first three rounds. Maybe two. So, assuming the offense has a more consistent year around him in 2023, he can still play real well most of the year.
That brings up my second point. Cold weather. It was my thought before this season ever began that Aaron is having a harder time playing in the cold. And I can accept this to be true for most older vets. That belief hasn’t changed one bit. I think of our loss to the Titans and two badly missed crunch time throws in this. In 2023, even if we play very well over the entire regular season, we will need to depend upon him less going into December and January. (Yes, we WILL go into the playoffs!)
So how does this workout? If I am GM, I think it plays out like this.
1. Support every way that you can help Aaron be healthy. That includes giving Love some substantial playing time once we are eliminated (officially) from 2022 playoffs. Yes, give Aaron the bulk of the snaps. (Please no discussion about tanking. Not being considered here at all.)
2. Get a new DC. Even if I didn’t think about firing our current guy before this point, I would now. If I am serious about January football next year, I must have a new scheme on defense. And if MLF is against that, then that is grounds enough to fire him too. I love the guy, but I need confidence NOW about the defense in 2023, in addition to drafting.
3. Draft for talent on offense. The D has gotten the bulk of the priority in recent drafts. But we need more high level depth on offense and the draft is how 85% of that will happen. Get two more WRs, one more RB, one or two TEs that can handle the ball. Add the typical third round OLineman and another depth guy.
4. Find a FA guy at WR. We can make one significant FA addition on offense. The veteran presence is needed. Maybe Cobb can still gut out another season. I don’t mind if he does. But we need another veteran WR. Maybe a TE would suffice, if the right guy. BTW, Bobby Tonyan is only good enough if he’s the fourth/fifth option in the passing game.
5. Keep Bahktiari healthy. Maybe this is hard at his current age. But he clearly keeps Aaron clean. And I don’t know that Jenkins or Nehman can do nearly as well.
That probably isn’t all. But I’m getting more used to the idea that Aaron is our QB1 in 2023 unless we don’t make the playoffs. We need to plan accordingly.
How could he to go from back to back MVP to what we are witnessing now? Yes, he lost his go to WR but I believe there is more to it than that. His thumb may be bothering him but he didn't look all that great before the injury. I believe it is a combination of
all you listed above.
I like your cures for our ills.
Re: Play the Packer GM (Thanksgiving version)
Posted: 27 Nov 2022 12:53
by Labrev
Last night I had dinner with a family friend and he said he had a broken thumb once, that it took several weeks to heal and in the meantime, he could not even open a door using that hand. The idea of playing QB in the NFL with that kind of injury was wild to him and explains why many of his throws are so wide of the intended targets.
I can't tell you how the severity of his injury compares to Rodgers's, but I feel like I have underestimated the role of the injury.
Your thumb is not just that one finger, it's like half of one hand.
Re: Play the Packer GM (Thanksgiving version)
Posted: 27 Nov 2022 13:27
by go pak go
Labrev wrote: ↑27 Nov 2022 12:53
Last night I had dinner with a family friend and he said he had a broken thumb once, that it took several weeks to heal and in the meantime, he could not even open a door using that hand. The idea of playing QB in the NFL with that kind of injury was wild to him and explains why many of his throws are so wide of the intended targets.
I can't tell you how the severity of his injury compares to Rodgers's, but I feel like I have underestimated the role of the injury.
Your thumb is not just that one finger, it's like half of one hand.
yeah. Favre hardly ever threw the ball in 2003 with his thumb injury. And coincidentally, the game Rodgers threw it the LEAST was by far and away his best game of the year.
Re: Play the Packer GM (Thanksgiving version)
Posted: 27 Nov 2022 14:18
by bud fox
go pak go wrote: ↑27 Nov 2022 13:27
Labrev wrote: ↑27 Nov 2022 12:53
Last night I had dinner with a family friend and he said he had a broken thumb once, that it took several weeks to heal and in the meantime, he could not even open a door using that hand. The idea of playing QB in the NFL with that kind of injury was wild to him and explains why many of his throws are so wide of the intended targets.
I can't tell you how the severity of his injury compares to Rodgers's, but I feel like I have underestimated the role of the injury.
Your thumb is not just that one finger, it's like half of one hand.
yeah. Favre hardly ever threw the ball in 2003 with his thumb injury. And coincidentally, the game Rodgers threw it the LEAST was by far and away his best game of the year.
Easy not to throw when you are leading at the half.
Unfortunately we have been behind most games.
Re: Play the Packer GM (Thanksgiving version)
Posted: 27 Nov 2022 14:59
by NCF
bud fox wrote: ↑27 Nov 2022 14:18
go pak go wrote: ↑27 Nov 2022 13:27
Labrev wrote: ↑27 Nov 2022 12:53
Last night I had dinner with a family friend and he said he had a broken thumb once, that it took several weeks to heal and in the meantime, he could not even open a door using that hand. The idea of playing QB in the NFL with that kind of injury was wild to him and explains why many of his throws are so wide of the intended targets.
I can't tell you how the severity of his injury compares to Rodgers's, but I feel like I have underestimated the role of the injury.
Your thumb is not just that one finger, it's like half of one hand.
yeah. Favre hardly ever threw the ball in 2003 with his thumb injury. And coincidentally, the game Rodgers threw it the LEAST was by far and away his best game of the year.
Easy not to throw when you are leading at the half.
Unfortunately we have been behind most games.
Behind by 14 in the 4th in that Cowboys game as well, but stuck with it.
Re: Play the Packer GM (Thanksgiving version)
Posted: 27 Nov 2022 15:27
by Yoop
come on for khrist sakes a week ago the guy sucks, is near the bottom of the back side of the hill, now he mentions a mysterious thump fracture, and walla now he's adored again
Re: Play the Packer GM (Thanksgiving version)
Posted: 27 Nov 2022 15:34
by Labrev
Yep, WALLA!
Re: Play the Packer GM (Thanksgiving version)
Posted: 27 Nov 2022 15:55
by NCF
Yoop wrote: ↑27 Nov 2022 15:27
come on for khrist sakes a week ago the guy sucks, is near the bottom of the back side of the hill, now he mentions a mysterious thump fracture, and walla now he's adored again
Am I in the wrong conversation? We are talking about a run heavy offense… how is that affirming the QB?
Re: Play the Packer GM (Thanksgiving version)
Posted: 27 Nov 2022 18:28
by Scott4Pack
Labrev wrote: ↑27 Nov 2022 12:53
Last night I had dinner with a family friend and he said he had a broken thumb once, that it took several weeks to heal and in the meantime, he could not even open a door using that hand. The idea of playing QB in the NFL with that kind of injury was wild to him and explains why many of his throws are so wide of the intended targets.
I can't tell you how the severity of his injury compares to Rodgers's, but I feel like I have underestimated the role of the injury.
Your thumb is not just that one finger, it's like half of one hand.
Even Rodgers said that he can throw “most” of the balls well. It’s a “few” that go off track, according to him.
Well, how far does a QB have to slip before he gets rested? I suppose when you have Rodgers, you let him tough it out. He has even played with a fractured leg before. He’s a tough dude. And maybe missing a “few” extra passes doesn’t merit benching him, even if they go to the other team (Lions).
Re: Play the Packer GM (Thanksgiving version)
Posted: 28 Nov 2022 23:35
by lupedafiasco
First order of business is to get rid of Murphy. He kept TT too long despite having obvious health concerns. Then he hires Gutenbumst, a village idiot. Then he hires Lafleur, probably one of the softest men in the NFL with a HC position. Then he signs off on the Love pick. Then he keeps Gutenbumst despite being clearly &%$@ at is job.
Next order of business is to ask Gutenbumst what his plan was. Because he went all in on the cap but drafted for the future with his picks. Then he resigned the guys who were supposed to be replaced by is future picks. So wtf was the plan and why didnt he have the conviction to stick to it? I would fire him in a heart beat and make the logical hire: Myself.
I would pull Lafleur into the office next and ask him on a scale of democrat to film actors guild, just how pussy are you? After his answer I would fire him because regardless hes still getting $%@#. I would look to change the culture here. We have been an offensive minded team for so long despite pouring resources into the defense. This team needs energy and toughness. I would look towards Demeco Ryans. His players play hard for him. Theyre incredibly talented but they all get in on every hit and tackle. They look for contact and to help their team mates despite the pain. This team hasnt had that probably since the Reggie White days. I would clean house on coaches. None of them deserve jobs. I would leave it up to the new HC to make decisions on coaches so there isnt any clashing between coordinators and position coaches like a normal team unlike this dysfunctional crap.
Next up I'm purging all these bad veteran contracts and older players. Good bye Cobb, Lewis, Jones, Bak, Lowry, Amos, Crosby, Lazard, and Reed. We would carry an ugly dead cap but we would be taking our medicine like Ive been saying we needed to for a few years now. In this FA we wont have anything to work with besides signing back the guys we need to keep like Jenkins, Nixon, and Njiman. Pickup Loves option.
Come the draft I totally invest in the offense. Give Rodgers a chance to carry us to a SB with a strong supporting cast. If successful we win. If not we have a strong offense to see what we have in Love on his option season. Either he looks good and we can keep him or he isnt the guy, we suck, and we get a rookie the following year and we already know he has a strong developed group around him on offense on cheap contracts. The dead money will be gone by now so we can invest in the defense with veterans.
Re: Play the Packer GM (Thanksgiving version)
Posted: 29 Nov 2022 06:36
by APB
[mention]lupedafiasco[/mention] I gave you a Lombardi solely based upon entertainment value.
Re: Play the Packer GM (Thanksgiving version)
Posted: 29 Nov 2022 07:21
by Yoop
this place could use a colonic
Re: Play the Packer GM (Thanksgiving version)
Posted: 29 Nov 2022 09:21
by salmar80
bud fox wrote: ↑25 Nov 2022 19:29
Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑22 Nov 2022 12:29
bud fox wrote: ↑21 Nov 2022 14:11
If you are the GM you don't need to see Love play. As fans we want to see him play because we don't see his training reps scout team etc.
Love is not the saviour. If he was Rodgers wouldn't be here just like how Favre was pushed out when needed to get Rodgers on the field.
"Favre was pushed out" That's an...interesting way to put it. I remember it very differently.
They packed up his locker and said they will send it to him.
He retired.
Housekeeping shoulda just disinfected and scrubbed the locked, have an assistant equipment trainee replace the name tag. Have equipment guys fill it with the stuff of the next Packer.
Done.