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Above 15 reps there is very little relationship to strength.
Kamps pro day he ran the 40 in 4.74 @ 290 lbs.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 22:38Kampman ran the 40 .4 seconds slower than Van Ness at 13 pounds heavier. He never got close to what Lukas is at which is faster than Matthews in the 40.Waldo wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 22:35Huh? That's the reason GB took a flier on Kamp, his freaky good speed for his size.
Remember Kamp was a DT coming out of college and was super fat. It took a few years to slim down to DE/OLB size (he lost like 20 lbs).
His game was based off the bull rush and was about the same size at his peak in the pros. Colleges tend to produce very similar players over the years.
4.87 at the Combine. Compared to Van Ness' 4.58 at the continue. So .3 not the .4 I said earlier.Waldo wrote: ↑28 Apr 2023 07:37Kamps pro day he ran the 40 in 4.74 @ 290 lbs.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 22:38Kampman ran the 40 .4 seconds slower than Van Ness at 13 pounds heavier. He never got close to what Lukas is at which is faster than Matthews in the 40.Waldo wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 22:35
Huh? That's the reason GB took a flier on Kamp, his freaky good speed for his size.
Remember Kamp was a DT coming out of college and was super fat. It took a few years to slim down to DE/OLB size (he lost like 20 lbs).
His game was based off the bull rush and was about the same size at his peak in the pros. Colleges tend to produce very similar players over the years.
I forget the circumstances but hardly any teams were there for it, GB just happened to be one of them.
In the early 2000's that was a crazy time.
I agree with Wahle, but that could be said of plenty of edge rushers that go off in the teens in every draft, Gary was raw to, thing is GM's take them because of high ceiling and the simple fact that if ya can't pressure the QB your toast
why encourage stupid comments like that? whomever used race to define these players should know that stuff has no place here.
yoop. If you're going to reply to my comment like that, please make sure to turn your sarcasm meter on first.Yoop wrote: ↑28 Apr 2023 08:20why encourage stupid comments like that? whomever used race to define these players should know that stuff has no place here.
who even compared LVN to Mathews, he is nothing like Mathews, who really was a HOF type player, he's got 80 plus sacks, and probably over 500 pressures, both Gary and LVN have some tall shoes to fill to equal that, plus Mathews had off ball skills
And Jordy Nelson, who's deceptively fast. That was always my favorite comment!
Not true. The accuracy of prediction equations for 1RM goes down as you increase reps (lower % 1RM), but to say there is "very little" relationship is not true. There is even a 0.8 correlation between grip strength and squat strength. If a person is strong, they tend to be strong all over. If they are weak, they tend to be weak all over. His bench number is atrocious and his vertical jump is not very good either (although VJ is technically a measure of relative power, strength is a huge part of power). His long arms are definitely a hindrance there, and if he had even 1" shorter arms I bet he adds 3-5 reps on his bench. And his long arms surely help with his "explosive punch" you hear so much about in draft reports. I would be interested to see what his bench technique looks like and also what his 1RM would be if he didn't need to get the last 10 degrees of elbow extension to lock out (this kind of would negate the long arms). He is only 21 and still has at least 3 years of physical maturing yet to do (we said the same thing about Kenny when he was drafted). I don't think they see the fruits of this pick until 2025.
thats my fear, and that we'll have to try and extend Perry Smith because LVN wont be ready for a starting rollwallyuwl wrote: ↑28 Apr 2023 09:02Not true. The accuracy of prediction equations for 1RM goes down as you increase reps (lower % 1RM), but to say there is "very little" relationship is not true. There is even a 0.8 correlation between grip strength and squat strength. If a person is strong, they tend to be strong all over. If they are weak, they tend to be weak all over. His bench number is atrocious and his vertical jump is not very good either (although VJ is technically a measure of relative power, strength is a huge part of power). His long arms are definitely a hindrance there, and if he had even 1" shorter arms I bet he adds 3-5 reps on his bench. And his long arms surely help with his "explosive punch" you hear so much about in draft reports. I would be interested to see what his bench technique looks like and also what his 1RM would be if he didn't need to get the last 10 degrees of elbow extension to lock out (this kind of would negate the long arms). He is only 21 and still has at least 3 years of physical maturing yet to do (we said the same thing about Kenny when he was drafted). I don't think they see the fruits of this pick until 2025.
Vert and broad typically have a pretty close relationship (for obvious reasons), his broad, while not great, is a whole lot better. There are a subset of guys out there (some white guys and LSU players circa 15 years ago) that just can't jump vertically, but whose 10 split and relative performance in the league tracks closer to the broad jump.wallyuwl wrote: ↑28 Apr 2023 09:02Not true. The accuracy of prediction equations for 1RM goes down as you increase reps (lower % 1RM), but to say there is "very little" relationship is not true. There is even a 0.8 correlation between grip strength and squat strength. If a person is strong, they tend to be strong all over. If they are weak, they tend to be weak all over. His bench number is atrocious and his vertical jump is not very good either (although VJ is technically a measure of relative power, strength is a huge part of power). His long arms are definitely a hindrance there, and if he had even 1" shorter arms I bet he adds 3-5 reps on his bench. And his long arms surely help with his "explosive punch" you hear so much about in draft reports. I would be interested to see what his bench technique looks like and also what his 1RM would be if he didn't need to get the last 10 degrees of elbow extension to lock out (this kind of would negate the long arms). He is only 21 and still has at least 3 years of physical maturing yet to do (we said the same thing about Kenny when he was drafted). I don't think they see the fruits of this pick until 2025.
I think both where a reach, however reaching for pass rushers is normal.
you cats were all like, "uhh, hello?!? The *correct* comp for Van Ness is Gary... IDIOTS! Look at muh chart!" 