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See I think we did make major moves.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑24 Mar 2021 12:43I think the biggest thing to look at is potential window and ability to make moves. We are looking for a 2 year window here and we don't have a lot of room to make huge moves. If we wanted to collapse it into a 1 year window we could make some noise, but I think that would a poor strategy.
Wish we had pre-2011 TT back.I friend of mine did something very similar recently. He bought a $500K house and let some idiot stranger walk into the $1M one. What a dork.wallyuwl wrote: ↑24 Mar 2021 14:27I heard this on the radio yesterday and LOL so loud! This is a typical Gute move. I have no idea how the team got to NFCCG the last two years with all the bad decisions he has made in the draft and spending money on players who didn't deserve it. I mean, signs King and not Linsley.
Yoop wrote: ↑24 Mar 2021 14:45I didn't care for using slot 12 on Gary after we just bought the Smiths, and I hate the love pick, imo those two picks should have went for more needy positions on players near ready to start or rotate in regularly, Guty is a lot more aggressive then Ted ever was, good thing because thats the kind of GM ya need with UFA.
The draft is mostly about tomorrow and UFA is about today. Guty has done a great job at that but I am mad he didn't use his draft to think about today and instead draft for tomorrow.Yoop wrote: ↑24 Mar 2021 14:45the draft is mostly about tomorrow, UFA is about today, and in that regard Guty has hit home runs, I didn't care for using slot 12 on Gary after we just bought the Smiths, and I hate the love pick, imo those two picks should have went for more needy positions on players near ready to start or rotate in regularly, Guty is a lot more aggressive then Ted ever was, good thing because thats the kind of GM ya need with UFA.
whaaaaaaaa hago pak go wrote: ↑24 Mar 2021 15:38The draft is mostly about tomorrow and UFA is about today. Guty has done a great job at that but I am mad he didn't use his draft to think about today and instead draft for tomorrow.Yoop wrote: ↑24 Mar 2021 14:45the draft is mostly about tomorrow, UFA is about today, and in that regard Guty has hit home runs, I didn't care for using slot 12 on Gary after we just bought the Smiths, and I hate the love pick, imo those two picks should have went for more needy positions on players near ready to start or rotate in regularly, Guty is a lot more aggressive then Ted ever was, good thing because thats the kind of GM ya need with UFA.
I think it's because he's almost always nursing a a minor injury that allows him to play, just not at a 100%, really says alot for Jackson and Sullivan etc, that the coach's still think a diminished King is better then they are.
I think I was thinking of when he left the Atlanta game, but Julio Jones also left injured... the next few games without him were a mixed bag.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑24 Mar 2021 16:24Didn't our defense play pretty darn well without King in the lineup early in the season? Wasn't there even a stretch of a game without both starting CBs but we still won? Am I crazy?
Overall I would say no.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑24 Mar 2021 16:24Didn't our defense play pretty darn well without King in the lineup early in the season? Wasn't there even a stretch of a game without both starting CBs but we still won? Am I crazy?
I was thinking the same thing when reading that. Kinda foiled his own write-up in the very same post...go pak go wrote: ↑24 Mar 2021 15:38The draft is mostly about tomorrow and UFA is about today. Guty has done a great job at that but I am mad he didn't use his draft to think about today and instead draft for tomorrow.Yoop wrote: ↑24 Mar 2021 14:45the draft is mostly about tomorrow, UFA is about today, and in that regard Guty has hit home runs, I didn't care for using slot 12 on Gary after we just bought the Smiths, and I hate the love pick, imo those two picks should have went for more needy positions on players near ready to start or rotate in regularly, Guty is a lot more aggressive then Ted ever was, good thing because thats the kind of GM ya need with UFA.
Yeah I think this is a good point you're making. I think the best way to win a Super Bowl is to have like 2-3 really good drafts in a row rather than aggressively court FAs. But both strategies have seen success. And I suppose doing it via FA is easier.go pak go wrote: ↑24 Mar 2021 11:12I think the most obvious is what the Saints did in 2018 and 2019 as well as what the Eagles did in 2011.
Both failed.
I think people also like to point out what the Rams have done since 2017 and what the Bucs did in 2020. I think the Bucs was more of just Gronk and AB wanting to play with Brady.
Otherwise I don't really know. Maybe we could point at what the 9ers did in 2019 by getting Emmanual Sanders.
But again most of these teams ended up being losers.
I just don’t consider signing an all pro level rb to a team friendly deal and keeping 3 guys we would be happy to see go as making major moves. Butgo pak go wrote: ↑24 Mar 2021 14:01See I think we did make major moves.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑24 Mar 2021 12:43I think the biggest thing to look at is potential window and ability to make moves. We are looking for a 2 year window here and we don't have a lot of room to make huge moves. If we wanted to collapse it into a 1 year window we could make some noise, but I think that would a poor strategy.
It's just that the players we made the major moves for played for the Packers in 2020.
I didn't expect King, Preston, Lowry or Jones to be on the 2021 roster. All of 4 of them look like they will be which comes at a major financial cost if you look at either move through the lenses of the 2021 cap or 2022 and beyond cap.
Are they the right moves? I don't know. I think that is the larger debate. But I certainly wouldn't call them conservative moves. This is "all in" type of moves that again is really putting most of our 3 - 4 year resources in a 2 year window.
For some, only GMs who go for a risky all-in one- or two-year push count as aggressive. And I agree Gutey is not that.
thing is WE think because of only what we see in games they should have been let go, but we don't really know what caused them to play less then perfect, King for instance was battling a injury when he played in the NFCCG.Drj820 wrote: ↑24 Mar 2021 21:52I just don’t consider signing an all pro level rb to a team friendly deal and keeping 3 guys we would be happy to see go as making major moves. Butgo pak go wrote: ↑24 Mar 2021 14:01See I think we did make major moves.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑24 Mar 2021 12:43I think the biggest thing to look at is potential window and ability to make moves. We are looking for a 2 year window here and we don't have a lot of room to make huge moves. If we wanted to collapse it into a 1 year window we could make some noise, but I think that would a poor strategy.
It's just that the players we made the major moves for played for the Packers in 2020.
I didn't expect King, Preston, Lowry or Jones to be on the 2021 roster. All of 4 of them look like they will be which comes at a major financial cost if you look at either move through the lenses of the 2021 cap or 2022 and beyond cap.
Are they the right moves? I don't know. I think that is the larger debate. But I certainly wouldn't call them conservative moves. This is "all in" type of moves that again is really putting most of our 3 - 4 year resources in a 2 year window.
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That's because you are judging a GM's past 4 years of work based on a week of his decisions.Drj820 wrote: ↑24 Mar 2021 21:52I just don’t consider signing an all pro level rb to a team friendly deal and keeping 3 guys we would be happy to see go as making major moves. Butgo pak go wrote: ↑24 Mar 2021 14:01See I think we did make major moves.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑24 Mar 2021 12:43I think the biggest thing to look at is potential window and ability to make moves. We are looking for a 2 year window here and we don't have a lot of room to make huge moves. If we wanted to collapse it into a 1 year window we could make some noise, but I think that would a poor strategy.
It's just that the players we made the major moves for played for the Packers in 2020.
I didn't expect King, Preston, Lowry or Jones to be on the 2021 roster. All of 4 of them look like they will be which comes at a major financial cost if you look at either move through the lenses of the 2021 cap or 2022 and beyond cap.
Are they the right moves? I don't know. I think that is the larger debate. But I certainly wouldn't call them conservative moves. This is "all in" type of moves that again is really putting most of our 3 - 4 year resources in a 2 year window.
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